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« Reply #20 on Apr 6, 2012, 7:23am »

Picture yourself on a distant planet and you're trying to explain to one of the natives the difference between a car, a pickup truck and a commercial truck. All are built on the same principle, have the same named parts and they overlap in what they can do, but each specializes in a particular duty. This is the difficulty we encounter in providing exclusive definitions between book shelves and satelite speakers. The fact that they have different names/designations is clear that they are not entirely the same but might be similar in several ways. Trying to be dismissive about the subject solves nothing.
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« Reply #21 on Apr 6, 2012, 8:49am »

There is no such thing as a "satellite" speaker: all speakers may be used as "satellites."

All trucks are trucks, some are built with a special purpose in mind. :)
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« Reply #22 on Apr 6, 2012, 10:26am »


Apr 6, 2012, 8:49am, DYohn wrote:
There is no such thing as a "satellite" speaker: all speakers may be used as "satellites."

All trucks are trucks, some are built with a special purpose in mind. :)


I think that one of the original reasons for the term 'satelite' was to indicate the intention on size & placement of the speaker. They would be small (unobstrusive) and mounted on a wall and 'beaming' (radiating) their sound down on the audience. It would be a bit ridiculous but not impossible, unless you live in an auditorium, to do the same with 5 or 7 XRT-6.2s. I hardly think that anyone looking at a fullrange speaker mounted on a wall would feel comfortable sitting under it, and would call it a satelite ;D

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« Reply #23 on Apr 6, 2012, 11:07am »

It's a made-up term. A satelite speaker can be any speaker you choose to so use. A Bose cube is just a small wide-band speaker.
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« Reply #24 on Apr 6, 2012, 11:09am »

And by the way, my system for several years was four JBL 4315's mounted on the walls as satelites, with a fifth 4315 as a center and two M&K subs.
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« Reply #25 on Apr 6, 2012, 11:53am »


Apr 6, 2012, 11:07am, DYohn wrote:
It's a made-up term. A satelite speaker can be any speaker you choose to so use. A Bose cube is just a small wide-band speaker.


Define "wide-band." ;D
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« Reply #26 on Apr 6, 2012, 12:02pm »


Apr 6, 2012, 11:53am, monkumonku wrote:

Apr 6, 2012, 11:07am, DYohn wrote:
It's a made-up term. A satelite speaker can be any speaker you choose to so use. A Bose cube is just a small wide-band speaker.


Define "wide-band." ;D


It covers a wide band. ;) 8-)
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« Reply #27 on Apr 6, 2012, 12:27pm »


Apr 6, 2012, 12:02pm, DYohn wrote:

Apr 6, 2012, 11:53am, monkumonku wrote:


Define "wide-band." ;D


It covers a wide band. ;) 8-)


Thanks, I just didn't want to have any controversy. ;)
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« Reply #28 on Apr 6, 2012, 12:40pm »

I think that construction wise, satelite speakers were designed to be connected to a common "bass module" which is essentially a common mid-bass speaker with a high pass filter to all the satelites. As for the the book shelf design, they are independent speakers (no dedicated module) designed as full range speaker but without the bass section, usually the first 1-1/2 - 2 octaves. These speakers could be placed on a shelf, mounted on the wall or made with their own speaker stand. These speakers allow for the independent selection of subwoofers. This design was made popular as a response to the out cry in the early days of home theater, that the proliferation of speakers were dominating the room and in an effort to resolve the WAF. In an attempt to take this design to the utmost, it lead to the development of the sub/sat systems with jewel satelites and hideaway "bass modules" With a bookshelf/sub combo, the processor or AVR sends a direct signal to each speaker independently. However, in a satelite system, all signals must be sent to the common 'bass module' In audio colloquialism, the term satelite has certainly morphed to mean any speaker designed to be hung (on a wall). In that sense, the distinction between a bookshelf speaker and a satelite is lost and the term is used interchangeably.

I would certainly admit that you can mount any sized speaker safely if you so desire. However, that was not the intent of the manufacturer. I feel pretty sure that those JBLs and M&K did not come with mounting instructions. Well, unless of course, that they were designed for commercial use ;)

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« Reply #29 on Apr 6, 2012, 1:22pm »

See, like I said, it's semantics. A system designed to operate together will come with "instructions" and may or may not include crossovers, etc. like the BOSE system. That is a 3-piece or 5-piece or 11-piece speaker system. Those can be set up as satellites, sure. But that does NOT mean that in order to call something "satellite" that it must come designed to operate that way. You are placing entirely too many restrictions on the word. Every cinema I've ever set up used "Satellite" speakers. None of them came with instructions to connect the full-ranges to the sub or any other HTIB silliness like that. :)

The term satellite means and has always meant any speaker that operates outboard the screen. That it is also used to describe HTIB type systems is coincidental.
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« Reply #30 on Apr 6, 2012, 1:34pm »

Man, you're tough, and brilliant too!

Just watch your reference to HTIBs. Chuckie is very sensitive about any derogatory remarks regarding his dearly beloved ;D
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« Reply #31 on Apr 6, 2012, 2:02pm »

I've told Chuck before that penicillin might cure his HTiBs.

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