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« Thread Started on Jul 11, 2011, 10:28am »

Hi all,

So there have been some requests for a quick intro to using REW and it seems the finger is pointing in my direction.

I'm putting this in "processors" given a lot of how to set things up will have to do with crossovers, sounds cards, mics and EQ which is kind of in the electronic realm and not speaker or amp related.

I hope to get some time tomorrow to post some initial things, I will probably need to prepare some screen shots etc.

Feel free to PM me a reminder in case I forget. ;)

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OK, as the thread has gone nuts, I'd better start actually writing something, so this will be a work in progress in post 1 I think - pics will have to happen later in the thread and I will post the number of the post next to what I am referring to. :)

Here goes:

Step 1:

Download the latest version of REW.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/downloads-area/19-downloads-page.html

(There are also beta versions you can find if you go through the discussion threads).

I would suggest playing with REW before spending the money on the gear, you can use your laptop's built-in mic or some $5 cheapo PC mic to get a feel for it.


Step 2:

Get yourself the right gear - a laptop or computer with a decent resolution screen (1280 x 800 as a minimum I would say) as it makes looking at the graphs much easier.

You will also need a microphone (ideally an individually calibrated one) and a way to get it's output into your computer.

I use a Dayton EMM-6 from Cross Spectrum Labs. Cheaper than some others of a similar type: http://www.cross-spectrum.com/

Email Herb, he's great to deal with.

I bought an M-Audio "buddy" from them too as the Mic pre-amp.

I really like the Behringer UAC202 as it has RCA/Phono connectors which is easier to cable than the 3.5mm jacks. The advantage of A USB device over built in sound is generally that it will not pick up (as much) noise from the computer internals. If you have a high-end sound sub-system in your computer, you can of course use it too.

There are also USB mics which may work, I had reasonable success with a Blue Mics "Yeti" despite the lack of a calibration, it seemed OK using the C-Weighting of REW, but for the same money you can get the proper calibrated kit I mentioned earlier.

A boom mic stand is a very good idea as well, it makes taking readings in multiple locations much easier.

Finally, an EQ device to actually do something with your results is nice to have, I like the MiniDSP products (http://www.miniDSP.com) s they are relatively inexpensive, small, use little power, very flexible and easy to use - they also work directly from REW and more goodness is planned.

Now that we have the essential hardware and software requirements out of the way, we can move on to Step 3 and get down to some nuts and bolt or brass tacks or where the rubber hits the road or some other cliché you might prefer. ;D


To be continued ...

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« Reply #1 on Jul 11, 2011, 2:06pm »

Hey, take your time mate and do a good job! :) ...Do things 'properly'! ;D
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« Reply #2 on Jul 11, 2011, 4:32pm »

Why not put it in the 'General" section under thread "Tech Talk" and have it stickied there for future reference?
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« Reply #4 on Jul 11, 2011, 5:44pm »

REW forum at the Home Theater shack...a very active forum and a wealth of information.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/rew-forum/
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« Reply #5 on Jul 11, 2011, 6:22pm »

I am glad that I am not the only one with a strong need/want/use/desire for a REW tutorial. ;)

I will be looking forward to your instructions, Nemesis.ie. If I have not already done so, then I want to send a sincere "Thank You" in your direction. :)

In this hobby, having knowledge/information is KEY to having a nice sounding HT or 2ch. rig. It can save you time, money, and frustration, as well as allow you to really get the most enjoyment possible from all of your gear.

I think that knowing how to use REW is going to be a VERY valuable tool, not only now, but going forward with all of my audio purchases.

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« Reply #6 on Jul 12, 2011, 11:00am »

apologies for my ignorance... please explain 1st what REW is?
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Jul 12, 2011, 11:00am, RuggSkins wrote:
apologies for my ignorance... please explain 1st what REW is?


The audio equivalent to sliced bread....or the best thing since:

http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/
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Jul 12, 2011, 11:00am, RuggSkins wrote:
apologies for my ignorance... please explain 1st what REW is?


REW = Room EQ Wizard.
With this program and a mic/preamp or an SPL meter along with a proper sound card, you can run plots of the frequency response of your system. With an appropriate EQ device you can then adjust the response to get the desired response (or close to it in most cases) It can also identify problem areas such as room nulls or peaks. It will show the effects of simply moving your sub around the room to find the best location for it.



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« Reply #9 on Jul 12, 2011, 12:26pm »


Jul 12, 2011, 11:45am, jmilton7043 wrote:

Jul 12, 2011, 11:00am, RuggSkins wrote:
apologies for my ignorance... please explain 1st what REW is?


The audio equivalent to sliced bread....or the best thing since:

http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/

Thank you for that link.

In reading the requirements for using REW, it states that you need MIDI capability.

Would this work?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards....584010000000000

It says the MIDI interface is required to communicate with a Behringer FBQ2496 Feedback Destroyer Pro Feedback Suppressor/Parametric EQ.
They can be ordered here.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio....r-parametric-eq

I was unable to find the Behringer BFD Pro DSP1124P for sale new, on the web.

I assume that you can use one or the other. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. ;)

If any of you are familiar with these two units, can you please share with us what unit is best to use, or what features are the most useful on these units?

It also looks like the Radio Shack analog SPL meter could be needed...not 100% sure about this one though.
I am thinking that using REW may eliminate the need to have an SPL meter... ???

Can someone please clarify?

If it is needed, it can be purchased from SVSound for $44.00.
http://svsound.com/questions-faqs.cfm#meter


Perhaps I should just wait for the tutorial... ::)...I seem to be confusing myself again. :P ;)

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« Reply #10 on Jul 12, 2011, 12:37pm »

You do not need a midi interface. Thats only if you wish REW to automatically enter the EQ parameters for you. I just enter them manually. It takes a little longer but you don't need to do it that often.
A RS meter will work but is not the best option. A calibrated Galaxy CM-140 or a calibrated mic with preamp is preferred. And if using a laptop, you will most likely need an external sound card.
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« Reply #11 on Jul 12, 2011, 1:07pm »

Wait till Nemesis get into it; a lot of unanswered questions will be answered! :)

* Behringer has a calibrated measurement mic with Phantom power; the ECM8000.
-> Very affordable too.
But Nemesis used a similar one (Dayton EMM-6) that is even few dollars less. I think.

This is all deja vu as we talked about these subjects at 'maint reprises' before; but Nemesis want to do an all-in-one reference thread.
But that would be tough to beat the one from the 'HomeTheaterShack Forums' on REW (Room EQ Wizard)!

But then, Nemesis is pretty well calibrated himself on the subject. ;)
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Thank you for the tip Bob.

The microphone Bob mentioned can be purchased here.
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And the calibrated Galaxy CM-140 complete with a custom .cal file created for the specific meter you get can be found here...
http://www.cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_cm140.html

Custom calibrated Behringer and Dayton mics are also available.
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Jul 12, 2011, 1:57pm, paintedklown wrote:
Thank you for the tip Bob.

The microphone Bob mentioned can be purchased here.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/behringer-ecm8000-microphone


You can also find these on fleabay etc. quite often for good money - I guess people buy them, calibrate and play for a bit, get bored and then sell them on, so there seem to be secondhand ones around for not many $ (or £ in my case)....
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Jul 12, 2011, 2:37pm, petes wrote:

Jul 12, 2011, 1:57pm, paintedklown wrote:
Thank you for the tip Bob.

The microphone Bob mentioned can be purchased here.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/behringer-ecm8000-microphone


You can also find these on fleabay etc. quite often for good money - I guess people buy them, calibrate and play for a bit, get bored and then sell them on, so there seem to be secondhand ones around for not many $ (or £ in my case)....
Stupid question alert!

Is using all of this hardware something you do to set up your system, then do not need again unless you make changes?

I assumed that the Behringer unit stayed in the signal chain. If it does, where does it go? ???

Or is this an information finding exercise so that you can set the e.q. built in to your receiver/processor? ???

Also, does this affect (work with) the sub/LFE channel, or is that dependent on your receiver/processor?

I apologize for so many stupid questions. :-[ ::)
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Jul 12, 2011, 3:23pm, paintedklown wrote:

Jul 12, 2011, 2:37pm, petes wrote:


You can also find these on fleabay etc. quite often for good money - I guess people buy them, calibrate and play for a bit, get bored and then sell them on, so there seem to be secondhand ones around for not many $ (or £ in my case)....
Stupid question alert!

Is using all of this hardware something you do to set up your system, then do not need again unless you make changes?

I assumed that the Behringer unit stayed in the signal chain. If it does, where does it go? ???

Or is this an information finding exercise so that you can set the e.q. built in to your receiver/processor? ???

Also, does this affect (work with) the sub/LFE channel, or is that dependent on your receiver/processor?

I apologize for so many stupid questions. :-[ ::)


-Once evrything is dialed in you leave it alone.
-The Behringer stays in the chain. Place where ever it is convenient for you.
-REW is used instead of your receiver/processor EQ.
-It definately works with the subwoofer (not LFE though unless you have LFE encoded test tones)). One of the main benefits of REW are the ability to accuratley integrate your sub.

There are some really goot tutorials at the Home Theater Shack website. Heading over there is a must if you want to get the most out of REW.
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Jul 12, 2011, 3:23pm, paintedklown wrote:

Jul 12, 2011, 2:37pm, petes wrote:


You can also find these on fleabay etc. quite often for good money - I guess people buy them, calibrate and play for a bit, get bored and then sell them on, so there seem to be secondhand ones around for not many $ (or £ in my case)....
Stupid question alert!

Is using all of this hardware something you do to set up your system, then do not need again unless you make changes?

I assumed that the Behringer unit stayed in the signal chain. If it does, where does it go? ???

Or is this an information finding exercise so that you can set the e.q. built in to your receiver/processor? ???

Also, does this affect (work with) the sub/LFE channel, or is that dependent on your receiver/processor?

I apologize for so many stupid questions. :-[ ::)


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