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« Thread Started on Dec 6, 2010, 8:36pm »

I had planned to write this a few weeks back but came under the weather and then Thanksgiving and this just got shoved out. Could get long-winded...................

I received 3 XPA-1s for LCR duty in my home theater. You can note the equipment I have in my signature. The purchase of these amps was a risk on my part as I have had some rather exclusive (expensive) amps in this system over the years.

A little background on me and this hobby. I am generally a guy that believes you get what you pay for as that has been my experience over the years. In other words, there is no "holy grail" of cheap audio out there! On the inexpensive side I have had B&K (stereo and mono) amps and Kenergetics (Chiro) amps. All of which were solid amplifiers and provided a level of sound quality that, at the time, was very good. As time has gone on I have moved from the entry level amps to Belles monos and Krell TAS. All of which have garnered a high level of praise from the audiophile media guys. I use the media as a data point but not the end all for making my audio purchasing decisions. Once these amps were installed in the system, I immediately recognized there was a different level of performance to be had. The performance level however did come with a price (Belles $16K for the 5 monos and $8K for the Krell TAS 5 channel amp). Sure, the point of diminishing returns will factor in for some. Others can easily justify it in the name of "audio nirvana"! I did (LOL). I had a combination of these amps for roughly 15 years. That should tell you I was quite satisfied with the performance. As this hobby goes, most of you can relate, there was a little desire to experiment with new options. I toyed with the thought of going with Krell monos. I shopped and new if would be expensive. The used market for Krell monos is readily available. After deciding which ones to go with the price came to >$20K for 5 used amps. Upon further review and remembering my KRS 200s generate HUGE amounts of heat. This would require several additional 20 amp lines/outlets to run them. This gave me pause.....................

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Earlier in the year I added another theater system to another room and purchased the XPA-5 for it as an inexpensive alternative until I could get a "real" amplifier. Once I connected the XPA-5 I was pretty impressed! Recalling I had experience with the Krell TAS which is a 5 channel amp, the sonics from the XPA-5 were strikingly close! It doesn't have the power supply (4KVA) of the Krell to double power all the way to 2 ohms but for my application of 5 bookshelves and a self powered sub it was more than adequate for power. The sound was powerful, dynamic and without strain. I like very neutral sounding amps and believe you should here music as it was intended. This amp does that with ease! If you've read this far, this is not a review of the XPA-5 but felt I needed to give you a historical perspective on how I got to the XPA-1s. Without my exposure to the XPA-5, I would never have even considered the XPA-1s.

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Now to the meat of the review. I mentioned my consideration of the Krell monos and the draw back to these amps. Sonically, I believe these are the best amps you can buy (MHO)! Again, this comes at a huge price and other issues including HEAT and current draw! I recalled the XPA-5 had many of the attributes of the Krell TAS with little heat and at an unbelievable price. So I asked a number of fine folks on this forum that had direct experience with the XPA-1s and Vincent from Emotiva. Also read a few professional reviews. The feedback from those owners and my personal experience with the XPA-5 is what spurred me to give the XPA-1s a try.

I received them on 11/12. I quickly unpacked them and connected them to the system at about 6PM. I powered them up and .......................... was not happy! They sounded thin and edgy! Just not good and thought back to "you get what you pay for" adage. I did not experience this with the XPA-5. Recalling my experience with other amps and equipment, I thought maybe a little break-in period would help. So I left them on at fairly high volume levels. I went about my business doing other things in the other parts of the house. Thank goodness I was off for 2 weeks and did not have to worry about time constraints. I popped back in where it was playing about 12AM. I quickly realized they had begun a transformation that would prove later to be worthy of elite status! With this in mind at 3AM I left them on at lower volume levels all night.

The next morning (uh, noon, LOL), I decided to give them a more serious listen. What I heard was simply amazing! I am so familiar with this system that it was easy to spot the differences. While I thought I had dynamics before, I now have it in spades. More POWER captain! The bass extension was most impressive! Depth, width and height were exceptional. Sound stage localization was more defined with clear placement within the sound stage. The cumulative effect was outstanding! Remember that I only have the LCR covered by the XPA-1s so I am not gaging the surrounds but expect the same performance if those amps are replaced. The voicing was more clear in the center channel with more weight.......fuller. It made the sound of the center channel actually have bass when run full range. Clarity, again a staple of these amps. If you are still with me after all this wind, you can tell I am quite pleased with the sound and feel it is very comparable to the Krell mono amps which is a true testament to the performance of these amps. You will note I have not mentioned price of the XPA-1s in this review section. I did that largely so it did not take away from the performance or place it in some sub-category. A lot of reviews will say things like “ this a great amp at this price” or “ if on a budget, this is a bargain” for products that are considered low-end. These amps could easily pass for $5K each or better with another “boutique” name on them with more aesthetic appeal. These amps are truly reference in performance! A must have for that last bit of detail, bass extension and sonic bliss! Highly recommended!

Now for the negatives, nitpicks really. (LOL) I will touch on price here. These amps while performing at a high level do not emit the visual appeal of the “boutique” amps. While the internal build quality may be very good, the packaging could stand a facelift. I believe I understand the Emotiva model of “giving great performance for the dollar”. I just feel these amps deserve that final touch of panache with a heavier/thicker faceplate and a nicer (thicker) cover that is not reminiscent of a Sony receiver. Not to knock Sony products. It vibrates if you tap on it. These are a true find in audio, not just in the budget arena and would like to see an option where these items could be addressed. Could it be a XPA-1SE! In most real world applications, I don’t see these taking much of a backseat to any amp! They don’t have the overbuild of a Krell amp with the use of 4KVA or greater power supplies to drive <1 ohm loads. For those with 2 ohm nominal or greater speaker loads these amps should perform very well and I believe that is >95% of the speaker market. They do this without massive amounts of heat going into the room. They run warm but not hot.

Well done Emotiva! Now I need to decide if I want 2 more XPA-1s or the XPA-2 to run my rear surrounds. If there is consideration for the XPA-1SE model, could I get a little recognition and get on the order list for 3? LOL!

Enjoy the music! ;D

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« Reply #1 on Dec 6, 2010, 8:52pm »

excellent points and an excellent review
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« Reply #2 on Dec 6, 2010, 9:24pm »

Wow nice review !!!! If you got the cash sounds like you do then grab 2 more XPA-1'S to complete the 5.1 system. You can never have enough power lol....
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« Reply #3 on Dec 6, 2010, 11:42pm »

Wow!!!
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« Reply #4 on Dec 8, 2010, 6:36am »

Excellent review! During my 45 years in this hobby I have listened to many very high quality amps -- including Conrad Johnson, Boulder Amps, McIntosh, AR, and Krell. When I first heard the XPA-1amps I was bowled over. I couldn't believe that level of performance for such a low price. I wondered how Emotiva had been able to build a world-class power amp at such an unbelieveable low price.

It does my heart good to see someone, such as you, who comes from a background of owning some of the uber priced amps to give the Emotiva XPA-1 the recognition that it is due. :D When I dared to post that the XPA-1 could hold its own against the likes of Belles and Krells I was quickly attacked, called a "fanboy", and told that there was no way the Emotiva could perform on equal footing with those amps. ::) ::) How dare I even think such a thing -- it was akin to Chicken Little crying "the sky is falling". ;D ;D ;D

Now, maybe the XPA-1 will receive its just dues, thanks to your excellent review. ...and maybe the calls to have me fitted for a straight-jacket will cease. ::) Maybe you can talk Big Dan into producing a limited run of spruced up chassis design for Emotiva's 10th Anniversary. :D
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« Reply #5 on Dec 8, 2010, 9:47am »


Dec 8, 2010, 6:36am, roadrunner wrote:
Excellent review! During my 45 years in this hobby I have listened to many very high quality amps -- including Conrad Johnson, Boulder Amps, McIntosh, AR, and Krell. When I first heard the XPA-1amps I was bowled over. I couldn't believe that level of performance for such a low price. I wondered how Emotiva had been able to build a world-class power amp at such an unbelieveable low price.

It does my heart good to see someone, such as you, who comes from a background of owning some of the uber priced amps to give the Emotiva XPA-1 the recognition that it is due. :D When I dared to post that the XPA-1 could hold its own against the likes of Belles and Krells I was quickly attacked, called a "fanboy", and told that there was no way the Emotiva could perform on equal footing with those amps. ::) ::) How dare I even think such a thing -- it was akin to Chicken Little crying "the sky is falling". ;D ;D ;D

Now, maybe the XPA-1 will receive its just dues, thanks to your excellent review. ...and maybe the calls to have me fitted for a straight-jacket will cease. ::) Maybe you can talk Big Dan into producing a limited run of spruced up chassis design for Emotiva's 10th Anniversary. :D


roadrunner,
Thanks for the comments. I have generally always let my ears do the final determination regarding audio purchases. This was the case with the XPA-1. IMHO, these amps have the critical aspects that any amp needs to be considered reference. Many amps can produce a fine sound that includes clarity, bass extension and detail but there are those that go beyond. The XPA-1 has that refined sound with clarity, power, extension and soundstage localization that I have only experienced with elite equipment. I knew from experience with the XPA-5, UPA-5 and UPA-2 that Emotiva built nice amplifiers and not just within price ranges. The XPA-5 held it's ground against the Krell TAS and that is a bold statement! As for the XPA-1, they take a significant step forward for the two channel enthusiast where sound stage, depth, width and height are critical measures of reproducing the live event. This also carries over to home theater but is not as clearly distinguishable due to the shear number of speakers.

I believe that if Emotiva built a high quality chassis similar to Krell, Conrad Johnson, Mark Levinson, Classe, etc. and placed the XPA-1 components inside, there would be those from the audiophile press that would salivate over it. There are some though that name is everything and would not give it a listen for that reason. Their loss as this is a great product!
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« Reply #6 on Dec 8, 2010, 11:06am »

I did a replacement of an XPA-1 LED board for a friends faulty one and I can tell you this thing is solid...that toroidal is a MONSTER!!!

The new panel was shipped with some other gear that I had ordered - no instructions were provided - but I didn't need them anyway as I am very familiar with many amp repairs over the years...and have a good handle on my own Emotiva kit to know what to undo.

I was rather surprised to see self-tapping threads rather than machined threads on the side rear screws but other than that the rest is all machined screws.

I have yet to really hear these in full song, but will be taking my XDA-1 over to my friends for some serious listening later this month.
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« Reply #7 on Dec 8, 2010, 12:08pm »

Ronny, you know damn well that you need a straight jacket lol.
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« Reply #8 on Dec 8, 2010, 2:50pm »

Most excellent review good sir. ;D

Like Roadrunner, I am happy to see a user who is intimately familiar with the uber expensive competition out there, and who remains open minded about the gear being reviewed/listened to.

In this hobby, the price tag will sometimes dictate how a "review" is going to go. Some people believe that such a quality amplifier simply cannot be produced for the asking price of the Emotivas, and therefore will not give Emotiva amplifiers a "fair shot".

With your audio background it eliminates the notion of "Sure he likes it but what does he have to compare it to?"
I think that sometimes user reviews aren't given as much credibility when the user doesn't have a long list of gear that they have used over the last 25+ years in the hobby. ::) :P

I am always curious as to how these amps stack up against the likes of Krell, Bryston, Classe, McIntosh, etc. and it is nice to see that all of the reviews (both user and professional) are being "backed up" once again by an experienced listener.

Thanks again for your review. Hopefully it will open the minds of others in the audiophile world. :)
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« Reply #9 on Dec 8, 2010, 3:25pm »

Great reading! Thanks Krellav for sharing this fantastic review! [image]
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« Reply #10 on Dec 8, 2010, 4:43pm »

Very nice review :-) I too have a pair of XPA-1's for a month or so, and I've taken my time burning them in (done) and I have begun listening and comparing the to my XPA-2....

I'll be posting my review next week...

Excellent job, my compliments!!
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Dec 8, 2010, 4:43pm, Porscheguy wrote:
Very nice review :-) I too have a pair of XPA-1's for a month or so, and I've taken my time burning them in (done) and I have begun listening and comparing the to my XPA-2....

I'll be posting my review next week...

Excellent job, my compliments!!


Thanks!

I eagerly await your comparisons as I am considering an amp for the surround duty. Vincent stated the XPA-2 was a good match for the XPA-1s for that purpose.
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« Reply #12 on Dec 9, 2010, 4:14am »

Porscheguy, you're killing me here! I need another XPA-1 review.
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Dec 8, 2010, 11:06am, wizardofoz wrote:
I did a replacement of an XPA-1 LED board for a friends faulty one and I can tell you this thing is solid...that toroidal is a MONSTER!!!

The new panel was shipped with some other gear that I had ordered - no instructions were provided - but I didn't need them anyway as I am very familiar with many amp repairs over the years...and have a good handle on my own Emotiva kit to know what to undo.

I was rather surprised to see self-tapping threads rather than machined threads on the side rear screws but other than that the rest is all machined screws.

I have yet to really hear these in full song, but will be taking my XDA-1 over to my friends for some serious listening later this month.


Hey Paul, that's me u are talking about ;D ;D ;D. Thanks again for helping me to change the led panel, seems easy watching u doing but if it's not u then I'm in serious trouble.
Anyway I'm glad that I've gotten the XPAs' to replaced the UPAs'. The cost of the XPA-1 might be 3x of UPA-1 and u will not be getting 3x better sound from the XPAs' but the improvements are certainly there without a doubt, voices & instruments having a more natural timbre, expansive headroom that being delivered never straining, more bass extension etc.
Really looking forward to try out the XDA-1 balanced out direct to XPA-1. Cheers
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« Reply #14 on Dec 9, 2010, 10:19am »

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I have an XPA-5 running my HT with high quality, efficient, 94dB speakers. I am toying with the idea of 2 or 3 XPA-1 amps for L/C/R. How significant of an upgrade would you consider it vs the XPA-5? Have you used your XPA-5 in your main system to compare?

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« Reply #15 on Dec 9, 2010, 12:50pm »

I also, recently (holiday sale) upgraded from the UPA-1 monos to the XPA-1 monos. I am holding off on my review as my GF and I are getting ready to move soon (here in a few weeks) and I will just work on finding the time to do a proper review once we get settled in the new place.

I am happy to see that there were several users who happened to have done the same thing. Makes for a nice wide variety of users and opinions available. :)
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Dec 9, 2010, 10:19am, digitallychallenge wrote:
KrellAv,

I have an XPA-5 running my HT with high quality, efficient, 94dB speakers. I am toying with the idea of 2 or 3 XPA-1 amps for L/C/R. How significant of an upgrade would you consider it vs the XPA-5? Have you used your XPA-5 in your main system to compare?

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I have not directly compared the two however the upstream components and the speaker brands are the same. From this I can glean that there is certainly a sonic improvement. These are in the area of soundstage (localization), clarity, depth, width and height. I can't determine bass extension as the speakers are bookshelves and crossed over at 120hz by Audyssey.

IMHO, the XPA-5 is an excellent amp for running a theater system where you may have full range mains with satellites for center and surrounds. If you are running full range across five channels then I feel it would be strained.

Your speakers appear to be very efficient so the above may not apply. It would help to know your system utilization (2 channel vs theater). Also, are the mains full range or low frequency limited (>40hz)? For full range mains (<30hz), I could easily recommend the XPA-1s for 2 channel or even 3 channel (LCR). It really depends on your center channel (satellite or full range). I am a big proponent of having the LCR amplifiers the same but some may view this as overkill.

You could also consider the UPA-1s as they would give you some of the benefits of the XPA-1 from a mono standpoint. Lower noise floor, better separation (crosstalk) and independent power supplies. They also share the same amp module as the XPA-5. This should provide very good synergy for using the UPA-1s for your mains and the XPA-5 for the center and surround duty. Given the efficiency of your speakers that seems like a logical direction and you can save quite a bit of coin! Some on the forum who have had both the UPA-1s and the XPA-1s speak highly of the UPAs as having a lot of what the big brother has. Something to consider.

If, at the end of the day, you want the best, the XPA-1s are a great amp and in my opinion are as good as the boutique amps with little investment. These could last you for a long, long time without the need for upgrade-itiss! Well, who am I kidding, that never changes (LOL). Best of luck on your decision!
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« Reply #17 on Jul 8, 2011, 4:33am »

Hi KrellAV,

Awesome review !
I have the XPA-5 at the moment, and also thinking of using the monoblocks for fronts.
Unfortunately they weigh a ton, so sending them internationally costs allot.

Well apparently Big Dan is looking for distribution in Amsterdam (someone mentioned it is in the Podcast haven't listened to it yet, no sound here) so then I will be VERY interested to do this :)
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PMC TB2M-Ci (center) - PMC OB1i (fronts) - Mission 701 (rears) -
Emotiva UMC1 - Emotiva XPA5 - Electrocompaniet AW3x120 - Metrum NOS Mini DAC Octave
Paradigm PDR10 (sub)
Mac & PS3
Epson TW-1000 - Beamax A240x142
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 Re: XPA-1 Review and Comparison
« Reply #18 on Jul 8, 2011, 1:42pm »

The bass extension was most impressive! Depth, width and height were exceptional. Sound stage localization was more defined with clear placement within the sound stage. The cumulative effect was outstanding!

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Exactly my experience - yet I am told that under the right conditions etc amps make no difference!
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 Re: XPA-1 Review and Comparison
« Reply #19 on Jul 12, 2011, 4:00pm »

Having read your reveiw I now have visions of how mine will sound when they arrives next week. I am redoing an old system after 30 years of HK Citation equipment. I ordered the usp-1, erc-2 and 2 of the xpa-1 this week. Have owned many highend systems over the years such as Conrad Johnson, Audio Research, Luxman and owned several audio stores "when it was fun and profitable" in the 70's and 80's. To bad those days are gone. But after reading everything written about Emotiva products and talking to some of the fine folks in Franklin I decided spring for the new system and to keep the left over money I saved to buy a new Jaguar! Have always hated the guys that thought just another 2000.00 would put them in nivanna but loved them in my stores. As we all know there is a point of deminishing returns and we've all been there. This system should do nicely with my old DQ10's or Martin Logan SL3s depending on the mood. Thanks guys and can't wait to get the new stuff, already took delivery on the Jag!

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Martin Logan SL3's
Dahlquist DQ 10's
DQ1W and crossover
Emotiva USP-1
Emotiva ERC-2
Emotive XPA-1 X 2 mono blocks
Emo ERT 8.3's
Emo Ultra 12 X 2
Technics SL1700mkII
Ortofon MC20, Grado Black,
Panasonic 58" 1080p plazma
Wii and Panasonic bluray player

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HK 3850
Jbl sat 55's
jbl balboa 10 woofer
panasonic 58" plazma 1080p
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