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Post by garbulky on Jul 10, 2012 11:51:14 GMT -5
Casey how did you find that out? Can you PM me the details?
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Post by casey01 on Jul 10, 2012 13:02:37 GMT -5
Casey how did you find that out? Can you PM me the details? Sorry, but in my search I was unable to find the link to the item in question. It all went back to an ongoing thread that was going back and forth early in 2012(pretty vicious)with a few of the "Audioholics" members(one of whom whose name(s) was linked back to the principal mentioned in my previous comment). Ian Colquhoun(CEO of Axiom) announced in a rather long statement on the Axiom forum that they had determined from where most of the vitriol was originating and had already talked to the principals at Audioholics who eventually made an apology on their forum and asked the other "contributors" to tone down the rhetoric. I am assuming at this stage that because some amends were made between the two and Audioholics resumed some Axiom product announcements(VP 160 CC and LFR1100), that this ongoing battle of wills and rhetoric was eventually erased from either forum, I am not really sure. Unfortunately, at the time, many assumed because Audioholics was doing a detailed subwoofer review that Axiom disagreed with their approach and didn't want to provide one of their units for review, hence, the beginning of the "battle". However, this really wasn't the case as it came out later it was a marketing disagreement that set it off not the subwoofer issue. In the end, there was only a handful of companies that provided units for testing anyway so Axiom was really only one of many sub manufacturers who didn't want to bother being involved. I have never understood how people can do critiques of equipment that they have probably never seen or even heard? In the end, Audioholics came up with egg on their face and still to this day, to me anyway,when it comes to their discussions or product reviews, their credibility is questionable at best.
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Jul 10, 2012 13:22:47 GMT -5
Some real haters out there... don't get it. Whenever I go to other forums I am blown away by the anger and venom, and not all of it towards us... but plenty of it is. Most of the people have never even touched the gear they have their strong opinions about, but that doesn't keep them from shooting their mouths off... it's amazing what people can say when they are hiding behind an avatar. Life it too short. I read the Audioholics forum comments too, but thought most were supportive of what Emotiva is doing, (though there are a few others that, well,... ). Whatever they say, my intention is still to get an XPR-5. I'm just sad that I'll have to give up my Yamaha RX-V1900 AVR (which I love!) to drive it to its full potential. Might get an XPA-2 & 3 instead(?),...but this might also be just the opportunity (or push?) I need to take the plunge into separates. Its just that I hate to give up the Yammy...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 13:32:45 GMT -5
XPR-5 is a nice looking product but why no locking mechanism on the XLR inputs? I use a combination of Pro Amps (QSC and Crest Audio) and Emotiva. The pro amps have locking XLR's the XPA-3, no locking XLR.. The Connection on the Emo feels flimsy and every once in a while I have to check to make sure the connections are plugged in correctly.. The pro amps, I don't even give a second thought.
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Post by bootman on Jul 10, 2012 13:48:33 GMT -5
XPR-5 is a nice looking product but why no locking mechanism on the XLR inputs? I use a combination of Pro Amps (QSC and Crest Audio) and Emotiva. The pro amps have locking XLR's the XPA-3, no locking XLR.. The Connection on the Emo feels flimsy and every once in a while I have to check to make sure the connections are plugged in correctly.. The pro amps, I don't even give a second thought. Becasue pro amps live in an envoroment that can have wires pulled on or tripped over on a regular basis? XLR cables don't usually fall out on their own in a home enviroment. (at least they don't in mine. )
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 10, 2012 13:50:50 GMT -5
The locking XLR connectors have the chassis and audio ground tied together. The non-locking XLR connectors keep the audio ground isolated.
All of our amplifiers are designed around a single principle of grounding. Which is the audio grounds are completely isolated from the chassis and electrical primary. We do this to minimize the potential for a ground loop and introduction of noise in the system due to noisy AC lines.
Now if I could find locking XLRs with isolated grounds, believe me, I would start using them immediately. ;D
On a side note, since I am here. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Several people have asked why we use the 20 amp IEC cords. Well the simple answer is that is what was required for it to pass safety certification because they test the amp at balls to the walls full power with sign waves (a condition that would never be done in real life, but that is what they do). Since it was tested and certified that way, we are obligated to ship it with the same cord.
Now the big question is do people really need a dedicated 20amp circuit and power cord? In my humble opinion, I would have to be honest and say that the vast majority of people will never draw enough current through the amp on a continuous bases (because music is all about dynamic peaks and not continuous sine waves) to even draw down a standard 15 amp circuit. I know I would never push it that hard. So if I were going to put one in my house I would probably use a a Nema 5-15P to IEC C-19 power cord. But that is just me. ;D
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Post by bootman on Jul 10, 2012 13:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 14:04:39 GMT -5
LOL.. It only cost $.69 each.. and we know Emotiva can eat that $.69 and not increase the price of the amps.
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 10, 2012 14:05:04 GMT -5
Sweet, thanks for the heads up.
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Post by bootman on Jul 10, 2012 14:10:14 GMT -5
LOL.. It only cost $.69 each.. and we know Emotiva can eat that $.69 and not increase the price of the amps. The price isn't so much the factor as the specs are. Those are actually Neutrik connectors in the first link.
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Post by bigred7078 on Jul 10, 2012 15:09:53 GMT -5
Some real haters out there... don't get it. Whenever I go to other forums I am blown away by the anger and venom, and not all of it towards us... but plenty of it is. Most of the people have never even touched the gear they have their strong opinions about, but that doesn't keep them from shooting their mouths off... it's amazing what people can say when they are hiding behind an avatar. Life it too short. I haven't been to audioholics in quite some time, but I made a quick journey there after reading this thread. Yup, same people spouting the same crap over and over. Some people just seem to get upset over the the success of Emotiva. Whatever, keep calm and chive on!
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Post by jamrock on Jul 10, 2012 17:00:45 GMT -5
2 of the most dangerous attributes for some audiophiles are: The fascination with name plates and being able to regurgitate audio cliches without any real knowledge of electrical/elecronic engineering. In the 1st instance, for these idiots it means that if a certain name plate adorns a product, it can't be good. And alternately for other name plates, even when the test bench shows them to be lemons, they are the best wet dream ever. In the 2nd category of idiocy, performance specs are ignored in favor of idiotic, non-performance features. But, let everyone be persuaded in his own mind.
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Post by rclark on Jul 10, 2012 17:50:59 GMT -5
You can never please everyone. Once you really learn that you will be able to focus better. It doesn't matter who you are, or what thing you are, or idea.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 10, 2012 17:59:47 GMT -5
You can never please everyone. Once you really learn that you will be able to focus better. It doesn't matter who you are, or what thing you are, or idea. It's true. But it is so difficult to hold back when you see attempts to destroy good people for doing nothing but trying hard to please. I'm trying though ;D
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Post by Jim on Jul 10, 2012 18:01:03 GMT -5
I love Audioholics forum members..... "I can hear the transformer hum even in standby mode". Cry me a river! So manybe don't listen to your music with your head to your amp? Life is SOOOO tough.. Stupid people post stupid things. Glad to see the real complaints being that it doesn't have an analog VU meter... If that's the worst issue - then I think it's a success........ Some people are defending Emo gear - which is nice to see as well.
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Post by coldfusion on Jul 10, 2012 20:23:47 GMT -5
I love Audioholics forum members..... "I can hear the transformer hum even in standby mode". Cry me a river! So manybe don't listen to your music with your head to your amp? Life is SOOOO tough.. Stupid people post stupid things. Glad to see the real complaints being that it doesn't have an analog VU meter... If that's the worst issue - then I think it's a success........ Some people are defending Emo gear - which is nice to see as well. I'd be pretty pissed if my new thousand dollar amp hummed or buzzed, that's a very legitimate gripe. Rather than complain about that customer, it'd make more sense to reach out and try to make it right. As far as people just spitting hate, that's different. But you need to separate the two. I found out about emotiva via audioholics forum, and there are many good guys there. In fact, Majorlosers input convinced me to buy a umc-1. Take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt. But a negative opinion doesn't automatically make someone a hater. Now, where is the XPA7?
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Post by rclark on Jul 10, 2012 22:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Jul 11, 2012 0:07:52 GMT -5
The locking XLR connectors have the chassis and audio ground tied together. The non-locking XLR connectors keep the audio ground isolated. All of our amplifiers are designed around a single principle of grounding. Which is the audio grounds are completely isolated from the chassis and electrical primary. We do this to minimize the potential for a ground loop and introduction of noise in the system due to noisy AC lines. Now if I could find locking XLRs with isolated grounds, believe me, I would start using them immediately. ;D Lonnie, the XDA-1 has locking XLR's. Could you make sure that you use the isolated version for the xda-2?
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Post by majorloser on Jul 11, 2012 18:57:18 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet that not one of the jerks on that thread owns any Emotiva products, and certainly none of them have likely even seen an XPR-5 amp. Idiots. Ignore idiots. You'd be wrong. Some of us at AH are Emo owners.
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Post by majorloser on Jul 11, 2012 19:04:44 GMT -5
So I guess this means none of the Emo Lounge members are going to the AH-GTG this October? ;D
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