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Post by mdanderson on Jan 2, 2013 12:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by bolle on Jan 2, 2013 12:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by stevet on Jan 2, 2013 12:43:16 GMT -5
LOL:
"What did surprise me was how it chose to configure my loudspeakers each and every time. I've never encountered an auto EQ program that "saw" my Pendragons as anything but large, full-range loudspeakers, and yet the EmoQ software labeled them as "small" and set their crossover point at 90Hz - six times. "
We talked about this in another thread for a while. I guess the HTR people were as surprised as I was to find larger floor standing speakers being marked down as "small"...
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Post by urwi on Jan 2, 2013 12:55:58 GMT -5
"the UMC-200 possesses an 11 band parametric EQ per channel (minus the sub) should you wish to create your own filters from scratch, provided you know how to do so. The subwoofer channel employs a four-band parametric EQ."
Is that true? Only 4 bands of PEQ where it's most needed?
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Post by roadrunner on Jan 2, 2013 13:48:51 GMT -5
Nice review... 5 star rating.
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Post by geebo on Jan 2, 2013 14:15:20 GMT -5
"the UMC-200 possesses an 11 band parametric EQ per channel (minus the sub) should you wish to create your own filters from scratch, provided you know how to do so. The subwoofer channel employs a four-band parametric EQ." Is that true? Only 4 bands of PEQ where it's most needed? 4 bands of PEQ in the bass range is actually quite a lot for an LFE channel. When I was using REW and the Behringer 1124 I was always able to get the bass range EQ'd with less than 4 bands and I had 12 available. Four bands of non-PEQ would be insufficient, however. |
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Post by urwi on Jan 2, 2013 14:28:08 GMT -5
4 bands of PEQ in the bass range is actually quite a lot for an LFE channel. When I was using REW and the Behringer 1124 I was always able to get the bass range EQ'd with less than 4 bands and I had 12 available. Depends on the room how many bands are needed. Anyway, PEQ is useful at low frequencies so it probably would make sense to have more bands in the subwoofer channel and not less. |
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Post by sharkman on Jan 2, 2013 14:43:08 GMT -5
Well I suppose each room is different, and some would need all 12. How many bands does Audyssey have in the LFE channel, 15?
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Post by geebo on Jan 2, 2013 14:43:47 GMT -5
4 bands of PEQ in the bass range is actually quite a lot for an LFE channel. When I was using REW and the Behringer 1124 I was always able to get the bass range EQ'd with less than 4 bands and I had 12 available. Depends on the room how many bands are needed. Anyway, PEQ is useful at low frequencies so it probably would make sense to have more bands in the subwoofer channel and not less. IMHO, if you cannot take care of 20 - 120hZ with 4 bands of PEQ, you have more serious problems that should be looked at. But that's just me... |
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Post by akbungle on Jan 2, 2013 14:46:06 GMT -5
In an effort to save time can anyone tell me if the 200 has cured the issues that the UMC-1 has with regards to the audio drops and issues reacquiring the signal especially with DVR units? I had to sell my UMC-1 due to this issue and my brother still struggles with it. Thanks for any insight.
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Post by geebo on Jan 2, 2013 14:48:09 GMT -5
Nice review... 5 star rating. Very nice review, indeed! Congrats to Emotiva once again! |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jan 2, 2013 14:49:39 GMT -5
In an effort to save time can anyone tell me if the 200 has cured the issues that the UMC-1 has with regards to the audio drops and issues reacquiring the signal especially with DVR units? I had to sell my UMC-1 due to this issue and my brother still struggles with it. Thanks for any insight. The UMC-200 reviewed, and in the hands of customers, just works. Dropout are not an issue.  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jan 2, 2013 14:57:35 GMT -5
Depends on the room how many bands are needed. Anyway, PEQ is useful at low frequencies so it probably would make sense to have more bands in the subwoofer channel and not less. IMHO, if you cannot take care of 20 - 120hZ with 4 bands of PEQ, you have more serious problems that should be looked at. But that's just me... You are correct, sir! That's a lot of control for what is typically less than an octave of usable range. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 15:16:17 GMT -5
Congrats on the great review. Its great that it came from a group that has been a little critical of Emotiva amps in the past.
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Post by ribbonking on Jan 2, 2013 15:28:07 GMT -5
Always great to patch up past irritations and a great review on top of that.
Andrew Robinson seems like a decent guy. However, the owner of that site, Jerry Del Colliano, always struck me as a pompous a--.
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Post by urwi on Jan 2, 2013 15:36:40 GMT -5
IMHO, if you cannot take care of 20 - 120hZ with 4 bands of PEQ, you have more serious problems that should be looked at. But that's just me... You are correct, sir! That's a lot of control for what is typically less than an octave of usable range. 20-120Hz is 2.5 octaves. It's probably a good idea to equalize the crossover region too so we end up with 3 octaves, no? Maybe I misunderstand how the EQ works in the UMC-200. Is the EQ applied to the subwoofer channel or the LFE channel?? |
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Post by urwi on Jan 2, 2013 15:42:26 GMT -5
Depends on the room how many bands are needed. Anyway, PEQ is useful at low frequencies so it probably would make sense to have more bands in the subwoofer channel and not less. IMHO, if you cannot take care of 20 - 120hZ with 4 bands of PEQ, you have more serious problems that should be looked at. But that's just me... What problems would that be? I think it's rather normal that frequency response varies a lot at low frequencies because of room modes, no? |
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Post by bolle on Jan 2, 2013 15:55:39 GMT -5
dan Laufman: Well to be honest I am really disappointed with the PEQ of the subwoofer channel. I asked Emotiva before buying and was told that you get 11 bands for EVERY channel. I still have the mail...  Well a lot of things are different, I was also told of a range from -10dB ranging to +10dB. What we got is -15dB to +3dB (which is actually much more practical in my opinion). Also my UMC-200 only has got 3 bands for the subwoofer channel, neither 4 as stated in the review above nor 11. Are there different firmware versions out there? In my opinion it would REALLY help if you could get at least 6 or 7 bands for the subwoofer. Personally I would also take a tradeoff and be willing to sacrifice a few band of the other channels. Perhaps 9 bands for every channel if dsp-power is the reason for the cut?
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Post by geebo on Jan 2, 2013 19:00:22 GMT -5
IMHO, if you cannot take care of 20 - 120hZ with 4 bands of PEQ, you have more serious problems that should be looked at. But that's just me... What problems would that be? I think it's rather normal that frequency response varies a lot at low frequencies because of room modes, no? Well, my preference would be to use 2, 3 or maybe 4 well thought out PEQ bands rather than 8 or 10 haphazard adjustments. And 3 or 4 PEQ bands really does offer a lot of flexibility. If you know how to use PEQ and can't get good results with 3 or 4 bands in the range from 20 to 120Hz, then you should be looking at other things such as sub placement, multiple subs, or room treatments. |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jan 2, 2013 19:17:02 GMT -5
Great review, in the same breath with the Cary @ $4500.00 and above the Integra and Marantz...
XMC-1 next.... That will kick Classe, Anthem and Krell's *bleep* based on dollar/performance ratio..
Tee hee hee.. :-)
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Well a lot of things are different, I was also told of a range from -10dB ranging to +10dB. What we got is -15dB to +3dB (which is actually much more practical in my opinion).
