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Post by dougie085 on Sept 9, 2010 18:15:33 GMT -5
I agree, but I at minimum want 9.2, I've heard that height channels are a lot better improvement. So if I had to chose one.
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Post by jamrock on Sept 9, 2010 18:29:40 GMT -5
There is something to be said for a customer who just took your word and waited almost 2 years for you to deliver. That is the epitomy of loyalty in my book. Emo should not take it lightly to disappoint such customers. It is very difficult to get them back.
A part of the selling point for the XMC-1 was a beefed up 2 channel analog stage. Why? what typifies 2 channel analog more than a premium phono stage? The XMC-1 is a 7.2 pre/pro. Why not turbo charge the analog for all 7 channels then?
I don't give a damn about stereo which bypasses the bass management. My 2 ultra 12 subs will not be silent purposefully. The input signal would have to be designed that way. However, I don't dumb down that feature. There is enough real estate on the XMC-1 to accommodate a phono stage and we should have it. If you don't need it, ignore it. Just as I ignore 2 channel direct.
However, when it comes to legacy connections, we should be aware that beginning 2011, all legacy connections will be dumb down to 540P max. By 2012, they will be eliminated. Therefore, I can see why Emo has left them out. If your display is 55" and over, you should have no use for such resolution.
Emo must decide which feature set will garner the most sales. The lack of a phono stage will be a big fly in the oinment for many. It also cost virtually nothing to implement. I have over 500 CDs and possible 60 choiced vinyls. Ever so often I like to listen to my vinyls. If it is even to muse myself at what I used to think was state of the art.
I also like the idea of 1 less pair of interconnect and one less wall plug to use, not having to use a separate phono amp. It is greener to have a phono input. And that's my word!
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Post by oscartheclimber on Sept 9, 2010 19:28:37 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong - as I understand it a suitable video chip isn't available for the XMC. So if Emo decided to include a video section the XMC could be delayed for a significant time beyond the current projected delivery.
If Emo had stated that the delivery had been pushed back to Q2 in 2012 I'm sure many would be complaining about that.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 20:01:42 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong - as I understand it a suitable video chip isn't available for the XMC. So if Emo decided to include a video section the XMC could be delayed for a significant time beyond the current projected delivery. If Emo had stated that the delivery had been pushed back to Q2 in 2012 I'm sure many would be complaining about that. Did I miss something? When did Emotiva say the XMC would not have a video processor?
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 20:06:57 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong - as I understand it a suitable video chip isn't available for the XMC. So if Emo decided to include a video section the XMC could be delayed for a significant time beyond the current projected delivery. If Emo had stated that the delivery had been pushed back to Q2 in 2012 I'm sure many would be complaining about that. Did I miss something? When did Emotiva say the XMC would not have a video processor? Yes you missed something. Check the Emonatics XMC-1 page.
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Post by klinemj on Sept 9, 2010 20:41:25 GMT -5
Bill,
I may have been sleeping at the wheel, but I didn't catch that while listening to the various talks at Emofest. Was what you report (on the lack of a video processor) directly shared by Lonnie and/or Dan - or are you speculating?
If it is true, then my interest in the XMC-1 is going down...no video processor, no phono stage, and no legacy video inputs...that is a lot of "don't have's" vs. what I was expecting for the price. A UMC-1 paired with my USP-1 is starting to look like a better solution.
Thanks,
Mark (PS - I took the poll you had initiated as a hypothetical...which, given the final specs are not released, anything at this point is hypothetical, but - you know what I mean...)
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 20:54:51 GMT -5
Did I miss something? When did Emotiva say the XMC would not have a video processor? Yes you missed something. Check the Emonatics XMC-1 page. No one at Emotiva has stated anything like no video processor. Your page is pure speculation.
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Post by RSavage on Sept 9, 2010 21:22:26 GMT -5
...no video processor, no phono stage, and no legacy video inputs... I heard the power cord is next to go
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Post by roadrunner on Sept 9, 2010 21:25:15 GMT -5
When I spoke with Big Dan after his presentation on the "new" XMC-1 feature set during EmoFest he told me that the XMC would not have two separate HDMI outputs because no chip-sets currently exist that will provide independent HDMI 1.4 capability. Emotiva wants to release a product with that capability but the chip-sets just do not exist to allow this. We also briefly talked about the Genesis engine for video processing and Dan said that AD had a more robust solution that they are looking to implement. Nothing that Dan said would have led me to believe that the XMC would not have a video processing engine. He discussed replacing the engine used in the UMC with a more robust solution and he discussed why there would be no duo HDMI output (chip-set does not exist for duo HDMI 1.4). Plus, during his presentation Dan mentioned that the legacy connectors were going the way of the dodo bird because of the changes in the License Agreements and the Licensing Fees.
If others attending EmoFest "heard" something other than this, then Emotiva needs to further expound upon what changes are being implemented and why. I did not "hear" that there would be no video processor in the XMC. I heard they were switching to a more robust solution from another vendor; and based on a handful of Lounge Members in attendance they did not "hear" these changes were in store for the XMC.
Hopefully, Lonnie will chime in and clarify this point, as well as other concerns that the newly featured XMC has generated. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 21:58:30 GMT -5
Yes you missed something. Check the Emonatics XMC-1 page. No one at Emotiva has stated anything like no video processor. Your page is pure speculation. No, it's not. But you may continue to believe what you will. I have stated several times now, what is on that page is from direct conversation with both Lonnie and Eric at Emotiva. Enjoy your evening.
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 21:59:52 GMT -5
Hopefully, Lonnie will chime in and clarify this point, as well as other concerns that the newly featured XMC has generated. ;D ;D ;D I don't know if Lonnie will be chiming in, but I will be talking with him again soon. Emotiva and I are both very interested in what comes out of the no video processor poll on the forum.
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Post by NorthStar on Sept 9, 2010 22:09:48 GMT -5
David, I heard your wife calling on you. ;D ...But then, it might not be important.
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Post by matt on Sept 9, 2010 22:17:42 GMT -5
Hopefully, Lonnie will chime in and clarify this point, as well as other concerns that the newly featured XMC has generated. ;D ;D ;D I don't know if Lonnie will be chiming in, but I will be talking with him again soon. Emotiva and I are both very interested in what comes out of the no video processor poll on the forum. If Emotiva goes the no video processor route with the XMC-1, could you ask if they plan on using the IR input and output to learn commands to switch my projector's inputs based on the XMC-1's selected input? All of the XMC-1 HDMI inputs would count as a single projector input from my projector's point of view since the XMC-1 will be switching HDMI. A power on / power off would be nice too. Thanks.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 9, 2010 22:21:52 GMT -5
Hopefully, Lonnie will chime in and clarify this point, as well as other concerns that the newly featured XMC has generated. ;D ;D ;D I don't know if Lonnie will be chiming in, but I will be talking with him again soon. Emotiva and I are both very interested in what comes out of the no video processor poll on the forum. Bill, Don't forget that Lonnie was scheduled to go back to China soon if not already headed there again.
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 22:24:15 GMT -5
I don't know if Lonnie will be chiming in, but I will be talking with him again soon. Emotiva and I are both very interested in what comes out of the no video processor poll on the forum. Bill, Don't forget that Lonnie was scheduled to go back to China soon if not already headed there again. I doubt he's on his way too soon, but I could be wrong. I assume he's going to be at CEDIA, which is the 22nd to the 26th of this month. Maybe he's planning to skip CEDIA and do China instead, but I assume that he'd probably wait to do China until after CEDIA.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 22:33:34 GMT -5
I don't know if Lonnie will be chiming in, but I will be talking with him again soon. Emotiva and I are both very interested in what comes out of the no video processor poll on the forum. Bill, Don't forget that Lonnie was scheduled to go back to China soon if not already headed there again. I believe he's there now.
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Post by Spiky on Sept 9, 2010 22:34:56 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong - as I understand it a suitable video chip isn't available for the XMC. So if Emo decided to include a video section the XMC could be delayed for a significant time beyond the current projected delivery. If Emo had stated that the delivery had been pushed back to Q2 in 2012 I'm sure many would be complaining about that. Did I miss something? When did Emotiva say the XMC would not have a video processor? There is basically zero point to video processing of any kind when HDMI is the only video input. People here keep claiming that everything will be HD, and we should just drop legacy video altogether. So why do anything for video?
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 22:35:43 GMT -5
No one at Emotiva has stated anything like no video processor. Your page is pure speculation. No, it's not. But you may continue to believe what you will. I have stated several times now, what is on that page is from direct conversation with both Lonnie and Eric at Emotiva. Enjoy your evening. I was told something completely different.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 9, 2010 22:42:01 GMT -5
Bill, Don't forget that Lonnie was scheduled to go back to China soon if not already headed there again. I believe he's there now. I thought he left on Tuesday (the 7th). That's what I thought I heard on Sunday.
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Post by RSavage on Sept 9, 2010 22:48:13 GMT -5
I was told something completely different. What we have here........is a failure.........to communicate
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