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Post by RichGuy on Nov 5, 2010 0:03:22 GMT -5
I am another very happy Belkin Pure AV PF60 user, I was looking at Furman, Panamax, Monster and others, I was considering models costing nearly 10 times what I paid for my PF60. After buying the PF60 I could not be happier with my choice, works great, looks great, excellent quality and has features most other models don't have.
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Post by thepcguy on Nov 5, 2010 4:43:14 GMT -5
Same here. Using one mainly for surge protection.
Last time I checked, the laws of Physics hasn't changed.
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Post by indyscammer on Nov 5, 2010 13:12:27 GMT -5
Just pulled the trigger on the Belkin PF30....8 receptacle. Using Amazon through Ritz Camera it was only $90 shipped. I don't drive a bunch of components so thought my first foray into power conditioning/filtering/protection should be inexpensive.
Just got the Wii repaired after a power "incident" so need to better protect my gear.
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Post by johndavidson on Nov 5, 2010 13:55:12 GMT -5
Power conditioning is a hot topic on many audio forums. Without a doubt the best series of threads I have ever read about power line noise are here: www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71333AC line cleansing, power cords and outlets do impart audible effects in A/V systems. The author of the above thread proves it with visuals and real world test scenarios. Whether you believe in these types of benefits or not, I'm sure you will find the thread an interesting read. For me, going from a very respectable conditioning unit like the Belikin PF60 to the PLC Thingee FX2 was equivalent of upgrading SD to HD TV. I dunno man, that's a REALLY lofty claim....... I've used this for a week on loan from my brother in law :http://www.richardgrayspowercompany.com/products.aspx?type=parallel and there was not a spec of difference between that and the monster hts1600 I was using at the time. Richard Gray is one of the higher end power conditioner companys out there. I just can't seeing this making any difference what so ever. The only reason I run these conditioners is for the serge protection and a good place to plug everything in. I just can buy into it, sorry. I does look kinda neat though I agree, those are some pretty lofty claims. It is interesting that he feels that these very insignificant variations in the AC would some how show up in the DC supply of an amp or any other type of audio equipment. If he really wanted to prove his point that is what he would needs to show. How the output of the DC supply is effected by these very slight variation in the AC line.
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Post by indyscammer on Nov 5, 2010 21:24:52 GMT -5
[quote author=johndavidson board=amps thread=14377 post=221626 time=1288983312I agree, those are some pretty lofty claims. It is interesting that he feels that these very insignificant variations in the AC would some how show up in the DC supply of an amp or any other type of audio equipment. If he really wanted to prove his point that is what he would needs to show. How the output of the DC supply is effected by these very slight variation in the AC line.[/quote]
At a basic level everyone gets "noise" can be an issue. I agree John....what does that input "noise" translate to on the output side. Subjectively you hear all kinds of claims of "improvements" and some claims of "no difference". I just purchased a component for PROTECTION...if the sound improves GREAT! Not the main reason to have the gear. I doubt I can hear a difference anyway...I don't have that good an ear. Some days I wish I did....most days my wallet is glad I don't. ;D
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Post by leog2010 on Nov 9, 2010 22:59:51 GMT -5
Thanks for your help guys. As I live in Ecuador and everything can happen here, I`m thinking about having an independent breakers panel for my system, maybe with (3) 15A breakers, one for the XPA-2, one for the XPA-5 and the other for all other components. What do you people think about this idea? Thanks again for your help!!!
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Post by wbedford on Nov 11, 2010 10:55:30 GMT -5
Thanks for your help guys. As I live in Ecuador and everything can happen here, I`m thinking about having an independent breakers panel for my system, maybe with (3) 15A breakers, one for the XPA-2, one for the XPA-5 and the other for all other components. What do you people think about this idea? Thanks again for your help!!! An independent breaker panel will reduce the noise floor vs a shared breaker panel. If I could go back in time, I would have absolutely added a dedicated panel with 3 20A breakers. I thought far enough ahead of time to add two dedicated 15A breakers for A/V in the shared panel, but if you have the $, dedicated panel is the way to go. Power conditioning and its merits is an extremely hot topic. A few threads will help you decide for yourself. I found these very useful: Studies on residential noise: www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71333Power line disturbances: www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/powerlinedist.htmlDigital components are extremely sensitive to AC fluctuations. Check page 24 of this thread where a user measures clock speeds of a high end Windows 7 PC with an enhanced power cord: www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=26561&forum=51&start=345&select_page_number=24
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Post by leog2010 on Nov 12, 2010 0:07:02 GMT -5
Why 3 20A instead of 3 15A´s ?
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Post by wbedford on Nov 12, 2010 9:56:52 GMT -5
3 20A vs 15A only to allow for growth/more power. I mean, if you are gonna go to the expense of adding an additional breaker box, 20A circuit will require thicker gauge wire. The thicker the wire gauge, the less electrical resistance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gaugeI wired the basement with my dad and we passed electrical code inspection. Although I went 15 gauge breakers, we did wire the two lines to the AV outlets using a 12 gauge copper shielded electrical wire. Code required 14 gauge wire. The cost difference between standard 12/14 gauge electrical wire is very small.
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Post by leog2010 on Nov 12, 2010 13:52:29 GMT -5
My installation was supposed to be like this: Right next to the electricity company meter, a 32 A breaker. From this breaker up to the new 15A breakers, only 6 awg cables (60 ft. aprox). From each breaker on to the wall plates, 12 awg (3 ft max)
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