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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 10, 2010 12:56:06 GMT -5
So I have narrowed it down to these options in the price range I would want.
HSU VFT-2Mk3 vs Emotiva US12 vs Lava LSP12 vs Epik Legend
Which one of these would you choose and why? Which would best fit my criteria (subjective I know, just looking for feedback) of:
1. Space (3-4k cubic feet room) 2. Accuracy for music first.
Thanks
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Post by jackfish on Nov 10, 2010 15:53:50 GMT -5
Epik Legend I'm partial to sealed subwoofers, especially for your criteria of accuracy for music, and of the sealed subs you list the Epik Legend will dig deeper and play louder.
If you are looking at spending the $550 a Hsu VTF-2 Mk3 I'd seriously consider saving up a more for a Rythmik F12. Its too bad they don't make them sans EQ anymore as they were about $100-150 cheaper.
For music I wouldn't even consider a Lava subwoofer.
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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 10, 2010 16:54:10 GMT -5
Thanks Jack.
I agree on the Lava subs (but you can get 2 of them for nearly the same price as the others with free shipping)
The HSU and Epik are my top choices of the bunch in my opinion of what I have read so far. Both are about the same price shipped to my door so just not sure. Both Chad (Epik) and Pete (HSU) have corresponded with me via email and of course claimed to be the best for music (no surprise there).
I looked into the Rythmik kits but quite frankly, I for the same price I can get the other two already built. If I spend $700 on a sub than honesty I am just going to take my budget to $1k and get something in that range.
But I don't have $1k and I need to stay under 600.
Such tough choices! hehe.
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Post by cgolf on Nov 10, 2010 17:01:20 GMT -5
I just ordered an Epik Legend today so I'll let you know how it does when I get it. I had originally ordered a sub from Elemental Design but you can read about that fiasco in another thread.
I've had HSU and SVS subs and they were great but I've never had a sealed sub or one from Epik... ;D
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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 10, 2010 17:13:37 GMT -5
I just ordered an Epik Legend today so I'll let you know how it does when I get it. I had originally ordered a sub from Elemental Design but you can read about that fiasco in another thread. I've had HSU and SVS subs and they were great but I've never had a sealed sub or one from Epik... ;D Looking forward to your take on it! I have a friend that has the Epik Phoenix and it is very nice. Works well with his Salk system. Personally the eD stuff may be nice, but too me they don't win on the looks department. I know most subs in the price range I am looking at are black boxes and nothing fancy...but I just have never found the eD's to be attractive.
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 11, 2010 21:44:47 GMT -5
So I have narrowed it down to these options in the price range I would want. HSU VFT-2Mk3 vs Emotiva US12 vs Lava LSP12 vs Epik Legend Which one of these would you choose and why? Which would best fit my criteria (subjective I know, just looking for feedback) of: 1. Space (3-4k cubic feet room) 2. Accuracy for music first. Thanks This is for music specifically? Can I potentially choose "none of the above"? ;D I agree 100% with fishman on this, save up a few more bucks grab a Rythmik. You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. Its worth stretching your budget out for one. Their prices are extremely low because its literally a one man internet direct operation with 0 overhead which means your not paying distrubutor and end retailer/salesman commision markup.
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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 11, 2010 22:10:37 GMT -5
So I have narrowed it down to these options in the price range I would want. HSU VFT-2Mk3 vs Emotiva US12 vs Lava LSP12 vs Epik Legend Which one of these would you choose and why? Which would best fit my criteria (subjective I know, just looking for feedback) of: 1. Space (3-4k cubic feet room) 2. Accuracy for music first. Thanks This is for music specifically? Can I potentially choose "none of the above"? ;D I agree 100% with fishman on this, save up a few more bucks grab a Rythmik. You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. Its worth stretching your budget out for one. Their prices are extremely low because its literally a one man internet direct operation with 0 overhead which means your not paying distrubutor and end retailer/salesman commision markup. Therein lies the problem....I have already gone above my budget even looking at the ones I listed. I am fully aware of your opinion of Rythmik (not saying it is wrong as I fully agree with you on that, they are really nice subs...they are simply out of my budget). I have seen and heard Rythmik subs in action and I know they are good. Even the Rythmik DIY kits are out of the budget, as then I would still need to buy the materials to assemble it. So my question was not so much "is there another option" as I know there is. My question is, of these 4 listed which will be the best choice given my parameters? I am not asking for the worlds greatest subwoofer that can shatter my windows with bass. I just want to know which one of the four would best suit my needs (based on other people's experience using these products). I also know that there probably isn't a single person out there that has directly compared all of them in the same room and system. I am fully aware that any person's response here is purely subject and should be taken with a grain of salt...but I do like to hear other people's opinions on the subject. Cheers, Jared
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 11, 2010 22:26:39 GMT -5
This is for music specifically? Can I potentially choose "none of the above"? ;D I agree 100% with fishman on this, save up a few more bucks grab a Rythmik. You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. Its worth stretching your budget out for one. Their prices are extremely low because its literally a one man internet direct operation with 0 overhead which means your not paying distrubutor and end retailer/salesman commision markup. Therein lies the problem....I have already gone above my budget even looking at the ones I listed. Cheers, Jared Thats why Im saying, WAIT longer, save up a few more bucks till it does become in your budget. Good things come to those who wait. If that means another month or 2 till that becomes the case, then hey, its something to look forward to.
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 11, 2010 23:02:32 GMT -5
This is for music specifically? Can I potentially choose "none of the above"? ;D I agree 100% with fishman on this, save up a few more bucks grab a Rythmik. You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. Its worth stretching your budget out for one. Their prices are extremely low because its literally a one man internet direct operation with 0 overhead which means your not paying distrubutor and end retailer/salesman commision markup. Therein lies the problem....I have already gone above my budget even looking at the ones I listed. I am fully aware of your opinion of Rythmik (not saying it is wrong as I fully agree with you on that, they are really nice subs...they are simply out of my budget). I have seen and heard Rythmik subs in action and I know they are good. Even the Rythmik DIY kits are out of the budget, as then I would still need to buy the materials to assemble it. So my question was not so much "is there another option" as I know there is. My question is, of these 4 listed which will be the best choice given my parameters? I am not asking for the worlds greatest subwoofer that can shatter my windows with bass. I just want to know which one of the four would best suit my needs (based on other people's experience using these products). I also know that there probably isn't a single person out there that has directly compared all of them in the same room and system. I am fully aware that any person's response here is purely subject and should be taken with a grain of salt...but I do like to hear other people's opinions on the subject. Cheers, Jared I have the Hsu VTF-2 Mk 3 and am very pleased with it. It is musical, it has the volume when needed, and it never seems to be straining on anything. I am not a bass fanatic - that is, I like balanced, realistic bass, not bass for the sake of shaking the room and booming everywhere. The Hsu sub is not shy but neither does it call attention to itself with exaggerated tones. It seems to do a great job of reproducing what is there.
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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 12, 2010 14:02:01 GMT -5
Thanks Monk.
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Post by Porscheguy on Nov 14, 2010 19:11:18 GMT -5
HSU makes really good subs - some of the best in the industry. But the heck with that, get a Rhythmik instead. Our superhero Ntrain know whats best, so throw away your Velo, Paradigm, REL, EMO, SVS, EPIK........... It doesn't matter - Ntrain has spoken.......... Rhythmik is the only one..........
Praise Jesus.........
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Post by skyline93 on Nov 14, 2010 23:15:38 GMT -5
Picked up my Bic H100 for 200 and some change on eBay shipped to my door, it's more than enough for my room.
I honestly have to turn it down quite a bit, else it overpowers everything else in my system.
Just thought I'd throw it out there as more of a budget friendly option, as your other options are more than twice the cost, and I'm not so sure they're twice the sub.
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Post by taoggniklat on Nov 15, 2010 12:15:55 GMT -5
Maybe I should get the new HSU-VFT15H and just tell my wife that it was on sale for $600 :0
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 15, 2010 12:49:22 GMT -5
HSU makes really good subs - some of the best in the industry. But the heck with that, get a Rhythmik instead. Our superhero Ntrain know whats best, so throw away your Velo, Paradigm, REL, EMO, SVS, EPIK........... It doesn't matter - Ntrain has spoken.......... Rhythmik is the only one.......... Praise Jesus......... Wow, HSU makes some of the BEST subs in the industry? Pretty bold statement coming from someone who most likely has never heard one, like most products I see you making comments on.
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Post by kazoo on Nov 15, 2010 12:52:37 GMT -5
Well let me throw this out. Why don't you just get two of the Emotiva 10" subs. I have two running with my MMG magnepan speakers and I have no clompaints. They keep up nicely, sound good and go low. Plus they are under $600 shipped to your door.
John
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Post by eljaycanuck on Nov 15, 2010 13:17:59 GMT -5
HSU makes really good subs - some of the best in the industry. But the heck with that, get a Rhythmik instead. Our superhero Ntrain know whats best, so throw away your Velo, Paradigm, REL, EMO, SVS, EPIK........... It doesn't matter - Ntrain has spoken.......... Rhythmik is the only one.......... Praise Jesus......... Wow, HSU makes some of the BEST subs in the industry? Pretty bold statement coming from someone who most likely has never heard one, like most products I see you making comments on. Speaking of "pretty bold statements": You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. How can you definitively state that no subwoofer exists that will sound better than a Rythmik sub, for "thousands and thousands of dollars more" or "at any pricepoint"? Surely one manufacturer at one price point must have available one subwoofer that sounds better? --------------------------------- The reason for my post: I've been researching a replacement for my SVS PB12-NSD and, after having read many of your positive thoughts and comments regarding Rythmik, I've added an F15HP - or possibly dual F12s - to my short list (which includes an Epik Empire, an SVS PB12-Plus or PB13-Ultra, a used Paradigm Servo-15 v2 or Sub-15, or even (why not?) just a second PB12-NSD (mmmm...dual subs... ;D)). I don't intend this as a flame, but comments like the one I quoted above come across as overly fanboy-ish and, in my opinion, they damage your credibility.
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 15, 2010 13:28:25 GMT -5
Wow, HSU makes some of the BEST subs in the industry? Pretty bold statement coming from someone who most likely has never heard one, like most products I see you making comments on. Speaking of "pretty bold statements": You can spend thousands and thousands of dollars more on a sub and it won't matter, your not going to find a better sounding subwoofer than what Rythmik has to offer at any pricepoint. How can you definitively state that no subwoofer exists that will sound better than a Rythmik sub, for "thousands and thousands of dollars more" or "at any pricepoint"? Surely one manufacturer at one price point must have available one subwoofer that sounds better? (I'm considering a Rythmik F15HP or dual F12s to replace my SVS PB12-NSD, and I've read many of your comments regarding Rythmik subs. This is not intended as a flame, but your above statement is far too fanboy-ish to take seriously.) Well I own a Hsu sub and am very pleased with it. Dr. Hsu is a highly respected figure in the subwoofer world and I sure am not going to doubt his credentials. They make an excellent product with excellent service. I don't doubt that Rythmik makes excellent products as well, but I agree with you, don't tell me some ridiculous statement about how you can't buy a better sub than theirs. There is no absolute when it comes to something like that. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say some people try and foist their OPINIONS on everyone else and make it sound like it is the law handed down to Moses, and they just push and push and don't give up. THEY ARE JUST OPINIONS and should be offered in a FRIENDLY manner with the understanding that they ARE JUST OPINIONS. And also, that these OPINIONS be given without INSULTING OR DENIGRATING others. Sheesh.
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Post by cgolf on Nov 15, 2010 13:43:36 GMT -5
I've had HSU, Paradigm, some un named & SVS subs. I just received an Epik Legend sub and got it hooked up over the weekend. I've listened to some music and we watched Avatar again using this sub. Haven't fine tuned it yet, just set the volume at about 1/2 and let her rip!! ;D I think it sounds great, interfaces well with the music as well as the movie but doesn't over power anything. We had some friends over and his comment is all I needed to hear. I asked him what he thought and his mouth just flopped open. He said the thing that impressed him the most was the balance of the speakers. He heard audio from all speakers but none of them was overpowered or underpowered from the rest. He said the bass was strong but not boomy and blended well and sounded "real". He thought the bass added to the mix but wasn't overwhelming. I still need to adjust it and level it out with an SPL. I think my last sub was a little stronger than this one but I think I like the "sound" of this one better. It blends better. So as always, opinions are opinions. There are lots of great subs out there and they are all represented by us when we purchase them.
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 15, 2010 13:54:39 GMT -5
I've had HSU, Paradigm, some un named & SVS subs. I just received an Epik Legend sub and got it hooked up over the weekend. I've listened to some music and we watched Avatar again using this sub. Haven't fine tuned it yet, just set the volume at about 1/2 and let her rip!! ;D I think it sounds great, interfaces well with the music as well as the movie but doesn't over power anything. We had some friends over and his comment is all I needed to hear. I asked him what he thought and his mouth just flopped open. He said the thing that impressed him the most was the balance of the speakers. He heard audio from all speakers but none of them was overpowered or underpowered from the rest. He said the bass was strong but not boomy and blended well and sounded "real". He thought the bass added to the mix but wasn't overwhelming. I still need to adjust it and level it out with an SPL. I think my last sub was a little stronger than this one but I think I like the "sound" of this one better. It blends better. So as always, opinions are opinions. There are lots of great subs out there and they are all represented by us when we purchase them. Well heck, the way your friend described the sound, isn't that what we are all seeking? If there was only one 'best" then that would go not only for subwoofers, but for bass amps as well - every musician would use the same kind. Congrats on your latest acquisition!
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Post by cgolf on Nov 15, 2010 14:27:49 GMT -5
Well heck, the way your friend described the sound, isn't that what we are all seeking? If there was only one 'best" then that would go not only for subwoofers, but for bass amps as well - every musician would use the same kind. Congrats on your latest acquisition! His comments really made my day. Yes that is what we want to hear and that is what we want from our system. He is somewhat of an audiophile but not like most of us on here so getting an unsolicited objective opinion was good. For most any product in life, there are multiple brands that are excellent. Everyone has their own opinion, taste and preference but anyone who says only one brand is "lightyears" better than another different brand is blowing smoke or they have a mental disorder.
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