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Post by aussie on Jan 3, 2011 22:33:09 GMT -5
Whats with all these folks burning their HiFi equipment, can't you just listen to it instead? I don;t know about hearing a difference but I sure can smell the difference after I burn something
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 3, 2011 23:54:25 GMT -5
I am a skeptic about burn-in of electronics. Speakers and headphones are another matter as they have moving parts that loosen up with use. I would like to see some evidence from testing of copper "fermenting." To each their own and if something sounds better to you after use than enjoy! +1! It's actually our brain playing tricks with us. A device will sound different after the first time but this has to do with the fact that our brain changes and evolves, internally makes new connections every second. Just read the book from Lone Frank on this subject. How many times should we read the book by Lone Frank? Is there a break-in period?
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 4, 2011 0:02:53 GMT -5
My brand new toaster oven needed a burn-in cycle before we can actually use it. It's needed to 'burn' manufacturing residue from the heating elements. Sure enough, a little smoke/smell was produced. The instructions said it's normal. After just one burn-in cycle, the new toaster worked flawlessly, toasting my bread to perfection! Well you may think it was toasted to perfection but I say there is room for improvement. Did you try changing the electric cord, or plugging it into a hospital-grade plug? Better fuses would result in a more holographic presentation of your toast, with better crumb separation.
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Post by jasonf on Jan 4, 2011 0:04:54 GMT -5
My brand new toaster oven needed a burn-in cycle before we can actually use it. It's needed to 'burn' manufacturing residue from the heating elements. Sure enough, a little smoke/smell was produced. The instructions said it's normal. After just one burn-in cycle, the new toaster worked flawlessly, toasting my bread to perfection! Just wait until that baby gets 50 hours of burn in on it. Your toast will have so much depth and clarity, you won't know what to do with yourself!
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Post by ampster on Jan 4, 2011 0:22:22 GMT -5
Just think if there was a break in for solid state electronics. Airliners would have to fly for quite a while before they were ready for the general public.
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Post by badronald on Mar 24, 2015 13:44:45 GMT -5
Break-in period is real. I'm in the electronics industry and in my early days I was a tech that calibrated brand new high end telecommunications test equipment before it went out the door. After a unit was built, it would be calibrated to spec and then go into a "burn-in" room for 1 week left on. After one week they would come out of the burn-in room and be re-calibrated due to burn-in changes. No ears playind tricks here, calibration meters and other test equipment don't lye. Someone did have a good point though that why does everyone's audio equipment always sound better??? It's possible it could make something sound worse.
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Post by jlamo on Mar 24, 2015 13:56:13 GMT -5
I am a skeptic about burn-in of electronics. Speakers and headphones are another matter as they have moving parts that loosen up with use. I would like to see some evidence from testing of copper "fermenting." To each their own and if something sounds better to you after use than enjoy! +1! It's actually our brain playing tricks with us. A device will sound different after the first time but this has to do with the fact that our brain changes and evolves, internally makes new connections every second. Just read the book from Lone Frank on this subject. always thought the same and still do . There's always an exception to the rule , like warm up before use that effect some amplifier and designs but not others. Belles amps are one amp that are a solid state but every time you turn it on it needs to warm up to sound it's best . I can't hear a difference with emotiva that I have or the musical fidelity I had before that.
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 24, 2015 14:23:00 GMT -5
is there such a thing? i received my XPA3 a week ago, and im just wondering.... uhhhh............no
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Post by knucklehead on Mar 24, 2015 14:27:07 GMT -5
I just hit the 10,000 mile mark with my VW Jetta TDI - since it has rods and pistons - cam - etc its just broke in. Amp break in? I think not. Measurements with new amps bear this out. And measurements are quite accurate - the only thing about audio that cannot be measured is that 6" between your ears.
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2015 14:28:05 GMT -5
You need to use a hammer. You need to keep hitting it with the hammer.
When it's broken, you've successfully broken in the amp.
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Post by jmilton on Mar 24, 2015 14:46:28 GMT -5
You need to use a hammer. You need to keep hitting it with the hammer. When it's broken, you've successfully broken in the amp. ...and I thought Chuckienut was the funny guy, here.
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2015 14:47:54 GMT -5
You need to use a hammer. You need to keep hitting it with the hammer. When it's broken, you've successfully broken in the amp. ...and I thought Chuckienut was the funny guy, here. I still have a lot to learn from Chuckienut....
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 24, 2015 15:03:51 GMT -5
I have a pair of XPA-1L's, the first one I've had in my system for a bit over a month running the centre for a short time and the sub woofer mostly, powered up for 10 or so house per day. The second arrived a week ago and it went straight to running the FL, with the first now running the FR. I can't hear any difference between them, even with the source switched to mono. That 300 plus hours on one and zero hours on the other, on my system, in my room, my ears could detect no audible difference from the first minute to today.
This is exactly the same experience I have had with pro amps, half way through a performance pull a brand new one out of the box and swap it for one that had done hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours. No audible difference, not to me, the sound engineer, the audience or the band. Maybe 20 times, not one person ever said "hay that amp sounds different".
Tube amps are a whole different ball game, as are speakers.
Cheers Gary
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 24, 2015 15:50:27 GMT -5
You need to use a hammer. You need to keep hitting it with the hammer. When it's broken, you've successfully broken in the amp. By the way, I hear the guitar below the voice. I do, I do! Really I do!
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 24, 2015 16:04:24 GMT -5
I bet this 4+ year old thread is now broken-in if it wasn't already!
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 24, 2015 16:06:01 GMT -5
I bet this 4+ year old thread is now broken-in if it wasn't already! Oh yeah, way beyond the 30 days we had to send it back to where it came from!!!
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Post by Dark Ranger on Mar 24, 2015 16:13:23 GMT -5
I bet this 4+ year old thread is now broken-in if it wasn't already! That's exactly what I was thinking! But the question remains, now that this thread is fully broken in, does it sound better or worse?
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 24, 2015 16:17:23 GMT -5
Undoubtedly worse!
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2015 16:28:22 GMT -5
I bet this 4+ year old thread is now broken-in if it wasn't already! That's exactly what I was thinking! But the question remains, now that this thread is fully broken in, does it sound better or worse? And this is what happens in the lounge when we are bored. :-)
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 24, 2015 16:49:30 GMT -5
Undoubtedly worse! Excuse me..............I've made a couple of posts in the last few days so it's definitely better Cheers Gary
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