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Post by monkumonku on Apr 5, 2011 9:19:21 GMT -5
Just want to point out I'm simply sharing my experiences and opinions, but encourage others to experiment and reach their own conclusions. Time for bed, tomorrow my new speakers arrive! :-) And tomorrow your review arrives here on the lounge, right? At least a prelim one?
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Post by briank on Apr 5, 2011 9:21:56 GMT -5
Of course! :-)
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Post by briank on Apr 5, 2011 21:52:36 GMT -5
Ok Monku, Selah Audio S6 monitors now hooked up and playing. First impressions . . . These are pretty dang good speakers and I'm happy with my purchase. They also look much better in person than on Rick's website. They sound smooth, detailed, and accurate. . . let's let them break in for a few days and then I'll post a review and I'll figure out how to also post pictures. :-)
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 5, 2011 22:17:36 GMT -5
Ok Monku, Selah Audio S6 monitors now hooked up and playing. First impressions . . . These are pretty dang good speakers and I'm happy with my purchase. They also look much better in person than on Rick's website. They sound smooth, detailed, and accurate. . . let's let them break in for a few days and then I'll post a review and I'll figure out how to also post pictures. :-) Great! That's a good first start so I'll be looking forward to a more detailed review as well as those pics - and I am sure many others are looking forward to that also!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 23:27:31 GMT -5
WE WANT PICTURES!!
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Post by flyhigh on Apr 5, 2011 23:55:51 GMT -5
If you've ever looked at the wires behind the outlet, you might question the benefit of some of these gourmet power cables, and their super-gourmet prices.
Nice wires are cool, and I won't disagree with that, but if you really wanted something with a chance at actually benefitting your sound...I'd suggest looking into a Power Line Conditioner. You don't have to spend lots of money. A Belkin PF-30 will set you back <$100 at Amazon. Built like a tank, you can plug 8 devices into it and it actually DOES have real filters in it that actually work.
Most folks have a houseful of SMPS trashing up the line....AC/Furnace motors kicking off/on...fluorescent lights, dimmers, and all sorts of things putting their signature on the AC.
There are very affordable PLCs that go a long ways in cleaning this stuff up, and often times cost far, far less than the exotic power cords with little more than words to back up their dubious claims.
"The sound issues forth filled with newly discovered detail...from an inky, yet velvety black background...."
Bull.
Really...some of these power cables are insanely expensive, and can anyone link to ONE SHRED of measured data that proves they do anything except conduct electricity?
My $0.02
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Post by briank on Apr 6, 2011 5:20:43 GMT -5
Flyhigh, I agree with almost everything you say and I am also shopping for a nice surge protector/power conditioner. There is definitely a lot of "bull" in this hobby and so many ridiculously priced speakers, electronics, cables out there and the price of these "so called" "tweaks" are really insane. All I'm saying is that power cables, per my own listening test, have an effect on the sound. So far I've only compared the Emotiva stock cable with the X-series and the Pangea AC14se and they all sounded different. The Emo cables were very close in sound but the X series tone was a tad less bright and with noticeably more bass. I'll definitely be comparing other power cords as time and money permit. :-)
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Post by stuofsci02 on Apr 6, 2011 9:03:39 GMT -5
Yes a power supply can and a lot do have filters on them but there separate component from the transformer , I`m not trying to dispute wether you hear or don`t hear a difference that`s a different matter but a power cable is just a transmission line it takes electricity from point A to point B and if it does anything else then some one put something other then metal in it like transistors , now cables can put resistance if not of sufficient gauge on the flow of electricity but it surly does not filter it While I certainly don't buy into power cords making an audible difference, you are not correct that a cable does not act as a filter. Any transmission line has a capacitance and inductance. At higher frequencies the capacitance and inductance will cause an impedance. The cable essentially becomes a low pass filter.. Depending on the cable design and length this could be in the Megahertz, Gigahertz or beyond. At audible levels (0-24khz) no cable acts as a filter unless it was very very very very long.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 6, 2011 9:13:42 GMT -5
The Belkin PF-30 mentioned by Flyhigh that is on sale at Amazon for $99 - anyone have a comparison between that and the similar APC unit? Just curious how the two stack up in terms of performance.
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Post by crazyhorse on Apr 6, 2011 9:23:34 GMT -5
Good to see someone trying it out for themselves to see if it makes a difference.
Also no one ever said a PC had to be expensive. Pagea's are pretty reasonable, Signal Cable etc are all under 100 buck mark, and if you ever would want you can also pick them up on the Gon and normally sell them for the same price (sometimes more even) than what you paid for them. At least then someone can say they tried it for once rather than just going off and saying that just because they didn't try it themselves that it doesn't exist.
For example I picked up a 1M Pagea for about 35 bucks shipped to me. That is not a whole lot of coin to at least say you tried one out and then if you didn't hear a difference makes it better because then at least you did try it, rather than just telling people they are dumb because they are hearing things or they are wasting their money etc.
Also for some nice power conditiors PS audio is nice. Depends on what you want and everything but the entry level ones are nice by them and I prefer them over the Monster etc ones.
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Post by flamingeye on Apr 6, 2011 11:24:52 GMT -5
Yes a power supply can and a lot do have filters on them but there separate component from the transformer , I`m not trying to dispute wether you hear or don`t hear a difference that`s a different matter but a power cable is just a transmission line it takes electricity from point A to point B and if it does anything else then some one put something other then metal in it like transistors , now cables can put resistance if not of sufficient gauge on the flow of electricity but it surly does not filter it While I certainly don't buy into power cords making an audible difference, you are not correct that a cable does not act as a filter. Any transmission line has a capacitance and inductance. At higher frequencies the capacitance and inductance will cause an impedance. The cable essentially becomes a low pass filter.. Depending on the cable design and length this could be in the Megahertz, Gigahertz or beyond. At audible levels (0-24khz) no cable acts as a filter unless it was very very very very long. I stand corrected, but does that apply to a audio systems power cable
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Post by Matt193 on Apr 6, 2011 11:38:27 GMT -5
The Belkin PF-30 mentioned by Flyhigh that is on sale at Amazon for $99 - anyone have a comparison between that and the similar APC unit? Just curious how the two stack up in terms of performance. I've got the APC G5 BLK that I picked up from Vanns open box for just under $80. While I don't notice any difference from just plugging my components (AVR, and Oppo) into the wall, it does offer some surge protection, more outlets, and looks good (imo) doing it. Before I bought it I tired to find some info on it but there is hardly anything out there and no reviews that I could find. I can take some pics of mine if you would like a closer look at it.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 6, 2011 12:30:55 GMT -5
The Belkin PF-30 mentioned by Flyhigh that is on sale at Amazon for $99 - anyone have a comparison between that and the similar APC unit? Just curious how the two stack up in terms of performance. I've got the APC G5 BLK that I picked up from Vanns open box for just under $80. While I don't notice any difference from just plugging my components (AVR, and Oppo) into the wall, it does offer some surge protection, more outlets, and looks good (imo) doing it. Before I bought it I tired to find some info on it but there is hardly anything out there and no reviews that I could find. I can take some pics of mine if you would like a closer look at it. Thanks - I was mainly curious as to how the quality or performance of the Belkin units compare to the ones made by APC.
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Post by flyhigh on Apr 6, 2011 13:24:37 GMT -5
I think that of the most common three (APC, Belkin, Panamax) all offer good performance, and vary mostly in their feature sets and of course price. I was pleased enough with my PF30's ability to clean the bumps and thumps out of my AC at my last address to have now just popped for a PF60. More features basically, and yes...I wanted that cool voltage/current display on the front. Sorry Confusing terminology used by the mfr's muddies the water a bit, and can make shopping comparisons difficult. What exactly IS a "Crystalline Nanofilter", or "Phase 4 filtration", and how does that differ from "Phase 6 filtration"? Is phase 6 filtration better than Level 6 filtration? Nobody seems to know. They all have loyal fans, and if I say I like mine...someone will say they like theirs better. They're all good at what they do IMO. Speaking strictly for the Belkin? It's built like a tank, and blends well into a HT/Audio set up...PLUS delivers a spot-free shine on your dinnerware. ;D Doesn't cost too much either. I won't make assinine claims of "73% cleaner sound" because it wouldn't be true. What is true is the absence of intrusions in the sound from AC devices in the home. That much I can attest to. -Flyhigh
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 6, 2011 14:05:18 GMT -5
I think that of the most common three (APC, Belkin, Panamax) all offer good performance, and vary mostly in their feature sets and of course price. I was pleased enough with my PF30's ability to clean the bumps and thumps out of my AC at my last address to have now just popped for a PF60. More features basically, and yes...I wanted that cool voltage/current display on the front. Sorry Confusing terminology used by the mfr's muddies the water a bit, and can make shopping comparisons difficult. What exactly IS a "Crystalline Nanofilter" (Panamax), or "Phase 4 filtration", and how does that differ from "Phase 6 filtration"? (Belkin) Nobody seems to know. They all have loyal fans, and if I say I like mine...someone will say they like theirs better. They're all good at what they do IMO Speaking strictly for the Belkin? It's built like a tank, and blends well into a HT/Audio set up...PLUS delivers a spot-free shine on your dinnerware. ;D Doesn't cost too much either. I won't make assinine claims of "73% cleaner sound" because it wouldn't be true. What is true is the absence of intrusions in the sound from AC devices in the home. That much I can attest to. -Flyhigh Thanks for your impressions - right now I am using a Tripp Lite unit (the one Costco sells) which seems to work very well. It also is a UPS. It doesn't look anywhere as nice as the Belkin, though. I haven't really noticed any power issues as the electricity seems to be pretty consistent, and there aren't pops and hums and buzzes when lights are turned on or off, etc.
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Post by flyhigh on Apr 6, 2011 14:22:23 GMT -5
Monk, I bought mine originally because of the horrid noises on my AC line out in Texas. You would have thought I lived next to a large industrial park. It was terrible.
Here in the Caribbean oddly enough, the line sounds fairly quiet (not much in the way of turn on/off pops), but judging from the high mortality rate of electronics here, all is not as it seems. Serious, you need to see the line outside of the cable office on any given day...each person with a modem, or cable box under their arm. It's scary, and I keep everything I want to use again...unplugged if I'm not listening. I want some protection!
MY BIG GRIPE HOWEVER:
Would it kill the magazines to actually TEST some of this stuff?
Put 'em all on the bench. PLCs, Power Cables, etc and let's just see "who's who" in this game. Surely anyone who can measure the polar response of a 25 dollar Ipod speaker could surely test the effectiveness of the noise filtration in a PLC, or for that matter...an exotic power cord. That'd be telling...
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 6, 2011 14:33:56 GMT -5
Monk, I bought mine originally because of the horrid noises on my AC line out in Texas. You would have thought I lived next to a large industrial park. It was terrible. Here in the Caribbean oddly enough, the line sounds fairly quiet (not much in the way of turn on/off pops), but judging from the high mortality rate of electronics here, all is not as it seems. Serious, you need to see the line outside of the cable office on any given day...each person with a modem, or cable box under their arm. It's scary, and I keep everything I want to use again...unplugged if I'm not listening. I want some protection! MY BIG GRIPE HOWEVER: Would it kill the magazines to actually TEST some of this stuff? Put 'em all on the bench. PLCs, Power Cables, etc and let's just see "who's who" in this game. Surely anyone who can measure the polar response of a 25 dollar Ipod speaker could surely test the effectiveness of the noise filtration in a PLC, or for that matter...an exotic power cord. That'd be telling... It doesn't matter what the test results said because it is the stuff that can't be measured that makes the difference - which is due to the proprietary formulations which do not allow measurement because the measurement equipment is not calibrated for such proprietary formulations.
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Post by flyhigh on Apr 6, 2011 14:40:34 GMT -5
heh heh....it's got to be something like that.
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Post by flamingeye on Apr 6, 2011 15:08:30 GMT -5
My APC H10 cleaned out the low hiss that my Klipsch speakers had since day one of purchasing them you couldn`t really hear it except when up close to the speakers and I figured it was because they where so efficient so never really worried about it but now with the APC inline there dead quiet even with your ears against then and the volume turned all the way up And that`s without the amps connected to the APC only the source equipment and pre/pro are But that was enough to clean the hiss out
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Post by iceman66 on Apr 6, 2011 15:17:01 GMT -5
... MY BIG GRIPE HOWEVER: Would it kill the magazines to actually TEST some of this stuff?.... It wouldn't kill them, but it would sure put a gaping wound in their bottom-line as the cable companies would pull their advertising.
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