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Post by leog2010 on Feb 16, 2011 10:03:14 GMT -5
Which one will be a better option, the Belkin PF60 or APC H10. It will be used just for my preamp, cd player, bd player, etc., but not for my amps. Thanks.
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Post by carlp336 on Feb 16, 2011 10:04:33 GMT -5
i have two pf60's and for the money i dont think theres an equal.
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Post by chrisk41 on Feb 16, 2011 12:43:38 GMT -5
I just picked up a couple of APC S15 power conditioners at vanns.com for only $299 a piece with free shipping. So far I have been really happy with these units and love the added battery backup, almost which I had got a third for the bedroom!!
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Post by gfong on Feb 16, 2011 12:47:07 GMT -5
I am running the APC H10 and the benefit that they offer over most other conditioners is that is has automatic voltage regulation. If you need more power it boosts it and if you have too much power it trims it down.
Mine works like a charm.
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Post by selkec on Feb 16, 2011 17:59:34 GMT -5
I am running the APC H10 and the benefit that they offer over most other conditioners is that is has automatic voltage regulation. If you need more power it boosts it and if you have too much power it trims it down. Mine works like a charm. Ditto!!!! I like the APC. It works great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 18:13:42 GMT -5
I would agree. I have two APC H15 and they are trouble free and seem to do their job without any fanfare. No complaints.
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 16, 2011 21:16:05 GMT -5
i have two pf60's and for the money i dont think theres an equal. I agree, in my opinion the PF60 completely outshines the APC. The PF60 is an absolute gem and definitely one of the best values. I believe it was originally meant to have a $799 msrp price then was lowered to a $599 msrp, however you can find it for around $200. I wouldn't trade mine for any other power conditioner I've seen at 3 or 4 times the price. The quality of it is excellent, it looks very nice, it has better specs than most others, one of the highest protection ratings of 7114 joules, 6 individual banks of separated outlets (13 total outlets), trigger controls and delay controls unmatched by others. Works excellent! Here is a great review of it on AudiogoN forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/frr.pl?raccs&1164306802&read&3&4& ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/204942992.jpg [/img]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
I've never had a apc but I do have a FP60 and can say it's been great. I've always been a fan of belkin though. I had a claim once after a lightning storm and Belkin took care of it very fast and it was as easy as it possible could be. I got some of the gear fixed and some new stuff. They even paid for shipping both ways and I had everything back or new in 2 1/2 weeks from the claim date.
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 16, 2011 21:30:59 GMT -5
Here are pics of the PF60 one in black and one silver.
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Post by gfong on Feb 16, 2011 22:06:11 GMT -5
i have two pf60's and for the money i dont think theres an equal. I agree, in my opinion the PF60 completely outshines the APC. The PF60 is an absolute gem and definitely one of the best values. I believe it was originally meant to have a $799 msrp price then was lowered to a $599 msrp, however you can find it for around $200. I wouldn't trade mine for any other power conditioner I've seen at 3 or 4 times the price. The quality of it is excellent, it looks very nice, it has better specs than most others, one of the highest protection ratings of 7114 joules, 6 individual banks of separated outlets (13 total outlets), trigger controls and delay controls unmatched by others. Works excellent! Here is a great review of it on AudiogoN forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/frr.pl?raccs&1164306802&read&3&4& ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/204942992.jpg [/img][/quote] Because you like something does not make it the best in the world! give us some facts why it is better, not opinions! Does it do voltage regulation? What gauge is the power cord? Why would you state you think it should have a msrp higher then what the company states! Too funny. Anyway, if this guy thinks the Belkin is god so be it. Read some reviews and make an informed decision. Monster also makes one, psssst I think it is better than the Belkin! (joking)
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 16, 2011 23:03:40 GMT -5
I agree, in my opinion the PF60 completely outshines the APC. The PF60 is an absolute gem and definitely one of the best values. I believe it was originally meant to have a $799 msrp price then was lowered to a $599 msrp, however you can find it for around $200. I wouldn't trade mine for any other power conditioner I've seen at 3 or 4 times the price. The quality of it is excellent, it looks very nice, it has better specs than most others, one of the highest protection ratings of 7114 joules, 6 individual banks of separated outlets (13 total outlets), trigger controls and delay controls unmatched by others. Works excellent! Here is a great review of it on AudiogoN forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/frr.pl?raccs&1164306802&read&3&4& ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/204942992.jpg [/img][/quote] Because you like something does not make it the best in the world! give us some facts why it is better, not opinions! Does it do voltage regulation? What gauge is the power cord? Why would you state you think it should have a msrp higher then what the company states! Too funny. Anyway, if this guy thinks the Belkin is god so be it. Read some reviews and make an informed decision. Monster also makes one, psssst I think it is better than the Belkin! (joking)[/quote] Hmmm, you might re-read my post, I gave a list of some of its features, I linked a very good review with a lot of details including many of the specifications and I did not say I think it should have a higher msrp, when it originally first came to market the msrp was $799 the price later dropped. I did extensive research before I bought the PF60 and was even considering top of the line Furman models, but I choose the PF60 and I am happy I did.
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 17, 2011 1:35:39 GMT -5
Because you like something does not make it the best in the world! give us some facts why it is better, not opinions! Does it do voltage regulation? What gauge is the power cord? BTW, my post stated it was my opinion and in my opinion the PF60 is far superior to APC and even conditioners costing much much more. I also gave (and posted a link to) far more facts and info than anyone else posting. It does voltage protection, I do not want a conditioner that increases voltage, I want a conditioner that protects from increased voltage, as well as under voltage, along with filtering, isolation and other features like trigger and delay control. The power cord is massive I think some are 12g and newer models are 14g but they look huge I think about 5/8" in dia and the cords also have a very high quality look to them. The PF60 is large and heavy, it's almost as deep as it is wide, it looks (as well as performs) very high quality. Many of it's specifications and features are the best I have seen, like 6 isolated power banks, it's 7114 joule surge protection rating and trigger & delay controls. a photo with the cord shown
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Post by gfong on Feb 17, 2011 8:34:25 GMT -5
Because you like something does not make it the best in the world! give us some facts why it is better, not opinions! Does it do voltage regulation? What gauge is the power cord? Why would you state you think it should have a msrp higher then what the company states! Too funny. Anyway, if this guy thinks the Belkin is god so be it. Read some reviews and make an informed decision. Monster also makes one, psssst I think it is better than the Belkin! (joking) Hmmm, you might re-read my post, I gave a list of some of its features, I linked a very good review with a lot of details including many of the specifications and I did not say I think it should have a higher msrp, when it originally first came to market the msrp was $799 the price later dropped. I did extensive research before I bought the PF60 and was even considering top of the line Furman models, but I choose the PF60 and I am happy I did. Point taken, I scanned over your linked review and thought it was another review from a happy owner. Point about the Auto voltage regulator is that it's a addd feature of the conditioner. I am happy with mine as you are with yours. My post was not intended to be sarcastic or smart-ass. (when I read it over, it reads that way) Sorry if it did. When I was searching for a power conditioner, I went with the APC as it had voltage regulation, which was a feature that I was looking for as I live in an older place and the wiring is not updated. That AVR feature has "kicked on" a few times and glad that I did go that route.
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 17, 2011 10:28:38 GMT -5
When I was searching for a power conditioner, I went with the APC as it had voltage regulation, which was a feature that I was looking for as I live in an older place and the wiring is not updated. That AVR feature has "kicked on" a few times and glad that I did go that route. Every decent power conditioner has protection from under/over voltage, basically voltage regulation. As far as increasing power when it is lost this is something usually for a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) which are great for computer systems and many electronics but generally not recommended for the best sound in music systems. I really don't want a power conditioner increasing the power output but I want good protection if there is an increase. The PF60 has some of the very best protection and filtering specs I have seen. The PF60's joule rating is 7114 Joules, the APC H15's joule rating is 5270 Joules. The PF60 has 6 isolated power banks, the APC H15 has 3 isolated power banks. The PF60 has the best and most trigger and delay controls I have seen, the APC H15 has none that I am aware of. I have owned a Panamax and my PF60 I paid more for the Panamax but the PF60 is far better. I compared the PF60 with all Panamax models, all Furman models, all APC models and all Monster models, I choose the PF60 because I preferred it the best and I am very happy with my choice.
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Post by tjhenry on Feb 17, 2011 12:50:10 GMT -5
Hi,
I thought I would share my experiences with the APC H10 power conditioner. I agree with all the positive comments here: great surge protection and does its job well.
However, it did affect the sound quality of my system in what I feel is a negative way. I had all my components plugged in at the same time, but swapping my integrated amp in and out of the APC revealed a bass boost and decreased detail in the mid and high frequencies with my integrated plugged into the APC. It was an obvious change. Cymbals and other details in the highs were decreased. Recording ambience was decreased. I confirmed what I heard with a friend (mostly blind--I didn't tell him when I was plugging in/out the integrated amp).
Just FYI. I live in Phoenix where brownouts and surges are very common during the summer, so I purchased the APC to primarily provide protection for my DLP projector. But, after hearing the impact it made on my audio equipment, I sold the APC.
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Post by garret3037s on Feb 17, 2011 15:31:16 GMT -5
I replaced my pf60 a year ago with the duet...sound is much cleaner...
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Post by wbedford on Feb 18, 2011 11:12:00 GMT -5
I replaced my pf60 a year ago with the duet...sound is much cleaner... I auditioned the PS Audio duet and it was great. It opened my eyes to the importance of clean, non current limiting power. A Duet can be had for 250 or less in most places.
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Post by gfong on Feb 19, 2011 9:30:08 GMT -5
Every decent power conditioner has protection from under/over voltage, basically voltage regulation.
*Sorry, but protection form under/over is not basically voltage regulation. What yours and many other conditioners do is shut down if the power is over or under the threshold set in the conditioner. What the APC unit does is regulate the power so it does not shut down. If the power spikes or drops too low, yours shuts down. The APC models regulate the power and allow only the correct amount to the equipment plugged into it so it does not have to shut down, as it is getting the correct amount of power constantly. Think of how a car works using a 12 volt battery; without a regulator the car would shut down at almost every stop sign or light as it would draw too much power from the battery, like most conditioners do.
As far as increasing power when it is lost this is something usually for a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) which are great for computer systems and many electronics but generally not recommended for the best sound in music systems.
Again, a UPS does not increase the power, if electricity power is lost to the unit or unplugged, the unit has a battery back-up that cuts in and supply's the correct amount of power to the equipment that is plugged into it. Depending on how much drain is put on the battery depends on how much reserve you have. The purpose of a UPS is to hold the power to all equipment until the electricity comes back on or until you can safely get up and turn your TV/ Stereo system off correctly.
It sounds like the PS Audio has some nice conditioners as well.
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Post by RichGuy on Feb 19, 2011 13:10:26 GMT -5
Every decent power conditioner has protection from under/over voltage, basically voltage regulation. *Sorry, but protection form under/over is not basically voltage regulation. What yours and many other conditioners do is shut down if the power is over or under the threshold set in the conditioner. What the APC unit does is regulate the power so it does not shut down. If the power spikes or drops too low, yours shuts down. The APC models regulate the power and allow only the correct amount to the equipment plugged into it so it does not have to shut down, as it is getting the correct amount of power constantly. Think of how a car works using a 12 volt battery; without a regulator the car would shut down at almost every stop sign or light as it would draw too much power from the battery, like most conditioners do. As far as increasing power when it is lost this is something usually for a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) which are great for computer systems and many electronics but generally not recommended for the best sound in music systems.Again, a UPS does not increase the power, if electricity power is lost to the unit or unplugged, the unit has a battery back-up that cuts in and supply's the correct amount of power to the equipment that is plugged into it. Depending on how much drain is put on the battery depends on how much reserve you have. The purpose of a UPS is to hold the power to all equipment until the electricity comes back on or until you can safely get up and turn your TV/ Stereo system off correctly. It sounds like the PS Audio has some nice conditioners as well. As I said previously, I don't want a power conditioner that increases power, I want one that protects against power increases, as well as good filtering, I also like having trigger and delay controls, monitoring, etc. All power conditioners will shut down if too much power is gained or lost. Personally I have never had any of my conditioners ever shut down, I have never even seen them vary by more than maybe two or three volts on their meters at most, they are normally constantly very consistent. The monitoring is also a very nice feature on the PF60 as it has a feature that also lets you see how many amps are being used by either all or any single outlet bank so you can easily see how much power is being used by your system or each component, this is measured in tenths of an amp. Of coarse the voltage is always being displayed as well, this is displayed in tenths of a volt.
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Post by gfong on Feb 19, 2011 13:46:38 GMT -5
As I said previously, I don't want a power conditioner that increases power, I want one that protects against power increases, as well as good filtering, I also like having trigger and delay controls, monitoring, etc. I know what you stated previously, I was correcting your inaccurate statements. Like I mentioned before, glad you happy with the one you have.
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