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Post by weird23 on Jul 22, 2011 14:13:53 GMT -5
Last night I was offered a trade for my Parasound amp, the trade involves the Parasound and $200 cash for this Wyred 4 Sound amp. www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/p/74030/117839/332077 The Wyred amp is local so I have the chance to listen to the amp first. Why does everyone think of this trade?
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Post by Pauly on Jul 22, 2011 14:48:49 GMT -5
That's hard to say which one is better. I've never heard the Wyred amp, but I used to own the A23 and loved it. It certainly looks better than the Wyred amp IMO. But the Wyred is quite a bit more powerful. Double the power into 8ohm and 4ohm loads. I say go for it. It might end up being a nice change. It certainly won't be bad change, so you have nothing to lose.
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Post by Pauly on Jul 22, 2011 14:49:38 GMT -5
Is it possible for you to listen to the Wyred in your own system? Or just in the owner's system?
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2011 19:05:25 GMT -5
I hate to spoil the party. But neither amp sound any different unless one of them is clipping. The more powerful amp will be able to drive the speakers much louder without distortion. A transistor power amp has no sound. Only power and distortion to worry about!
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Post by weird23 on Jul 22, 2011 20:21:24 GMT -5
I got that the first few times that it was posted, no need to keep repeating it. This amp obviously has more power than my current one and will power the new speakers that I would like nicely.
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Post by Wideawake on Jul 22, 2011 20:32:06 GMT -5
Last night I was offered a trade for my Parasound amp, the trade involves the Parasound and $200 cash for this Wyred 4 Sound amp. www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/p/74030/117839/332077 The Wyred amp is local so I have the chance to listen to the amp first. Why does everyone think of this trade? I don't know whether the trade is valued correctly (in $ terms) but if you think it is then go for it, especially since you have the opportunity to compare the two amps.
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Post by weird23 on Jul 22, 2011 20:37:23 GMT -5
The value dollar wise is slanted in my direction, the Wyred amp has a higher cost new and sells for more used than the A23.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2011 20:40:50 GMT -5
If that's the case, why 'listen' to the amps? What difference(s) are you expecting to hear between the Parasound & the Wyred? If both amps are built with quality parts and have low distortion, but the Wyred has more output power than the Parasound, isn't it a no brainer that the better choice is the Wyred? Now, if there are other non-performance considerations such as customer service, warranty, insolvency, etc. then the more powerful one might not be the overall better choice. I'm not trying to prolong the discussion, just to advance resolution.
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Post by weird23 on Jul 22, 2011 21:13:07 GMT -5
I'd like to listen to it to make sure that's it's functioning properly, if given the choice I would always like to check used gear out before buying it. This trade is local to me so it affords me the opportunity. You wouldn't do the same?
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2011 21:23:49 GMT -5
In that case, ABSOLUTELY! And you would be negligent for doing otherwise.
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 22, 2011 21:36:45 GMT -5
If I were you, I would take this trade. The Wyred 4 Sound amp is more powerful, and lighter (in weight) to boot. Honestly, I have looked at these ICE amps before and I find them quite interesting. I do not know if they would sound different than your typical class a/b amp (such as your Parasound or Emotiva's current offerings), but they certainly are a different amplifier design. Changing up gear here and there is what keeps this hobby exciting and fun. These Wyred amps and the ones from Dragon Audio seem like they would be a good way to go. I like the fact that they are light. It makes them easy to tote to the local audio shop, if you would like to see how well it mates up with any speakers you may be looking at. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 0:22:39 GMT -5
Why does everyone think of this trade? This is a very interesting possible trade. I don't know if listening to the Wyred would be very revealing unless you could A/B the two side by side. The A/B versus ICE amp question sounds intriguing to me and I would love to hear your feedback if in fact you do make the trade. I guess my first question is why does the trader want your Halo A23 over the Wyred? One other question since I'm not at all knowledgeable about the ICE amps is why more than double power into 4 ohms versus 8 ohms? For some reason they are more efficient into 4 ohms? One other thought if you do get the Wyred is too bring the UPA-1 or upgraded model (if there is one) in on a 30 day trial and do an A/B comparison in the exact same system. This might be very enlightening! ;D PS: I hope the OP doesn't mind if I throw a link in here on amps since it seems to be appropriate in this thread . It is from Audioholics but was written by Alan Lofft of Axiom Audio and thus the plug for the Axiom amp. Weird and some other members might not agree on some of the thoughts here but for me it is a very short and good summary. www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/10-things-about-audio-amplifiers
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Post by jamrock on Jul 23, 2011 15:53:58 GMT -5
Nice little refresher Chuckie. And a good question too. Why would someone want to trade a seeminly better amp for a lesser one? Unfortunately, there is no 'audio component fax' (a la carfax). But, I'm becoming very suspicious. Damn good question there Chuckienut!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 16:05:03 GMT -5
Maybe the guy just wanted a good amp and needed the $200. I have also heard of alot of people that dont care for the sound of class d amps despite the fact all amps sound alike:). In all seriousesness I love to just try new gear though most sound decent amps do really sound aloit alike when not driven to clippimg.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 23, 2011 16:29:55 GMT -5
I never thought of the money angle in all of this. Maybe he could also be in the position where he realized that he has too much amp (if that's possible) for his speakers. If I was in Weird23's position, I would want that question answered. I would also get the serial number for a call to the manufacturer to ask a few questions about servicing/repairs. One reason I cringe to buy anything that is out of, or without a transferable warranty. Chuckienut started all this CSI thing
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Post by jinjuku on Jul 29, 2011 12:15:59 GMT -5
Yes everything was the same. Quality of parts, the use of the parts, how long the amp is in Class A operation and then sliding into Class B, amp output (JC 1's are rated at 135 amps peak to peak, I have never seen what Emo is rated at). If you choose not to beleive all the power to you. I go by the SQ of what I'm listening to for 2 channel. I do not care for Emo for 2 Channel as everything I've had was far to bright. If you don't think thats true, well thats fine. I'm going by what my ears hear and what I like. Hmmm... Years ago I had NAD/XPA-3/Crown DC 300A/Denon receiver and some PSB Synchrony ones. In that scenario there was no huge performance delta that I could reliably pick out with the NAD and Emo. I put ~ 11 CD's worth of music through the XPA and never fatiguing or 'bright'. Since the amp measures flat not sure where the brightness would come from. In my current setup after about a week of A/B I pulled my Parasound out and replaced with fan modded Crown XLS402D. While at listening levels -60 through -20 on my Emu 1212M PCIe both did a great job at imaging/soundstage the Crown IMO (and it could be placebo) did a bit better job on the low end. Where it isn't placebo is the -19 up to ~0 the Parasound simply doesn't have the balls the 402D does. But that is simply a power equation at work.
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Post by leroyjr1 on Jul 30, 2011 16:18:52 GMT -5
Not even a close comparison.
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Post by weird23 on Jul 30, 2011 17:58:39 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input but I've decided to purchase another sub before going ahead with an amp upgrades. The amp will be put off until the new year.
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Post by wideglide on Aug 3, 2011 11:16:19 GMT -5
emotiva vs adcom? any thoughts guys?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 11:23:39 GMT -5
High order distortion can make something sound bright even with a flat frequency response. I don't believe that many modern amplifiers (at least of the A/B variety), will have any distinguishing "sound" as their distortion levels are almost always vanishingly low.
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