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Post by counterpoint on Aug 21, 2012 13:58:08 GMT -5
So if I wanted to use an XDA-2 with a UPA-200, how would I go about hooking up a sub if the XDA-2 doesn't have a sub-out and the UPA-200 doesn't have a line-out like the UPA-2? Otherwise, I have no choice but to go with a mini-X. Ya, can anyone tell me why Emo chose not to include a line out on the UPA-200 like its predecessor? I was out of the loop for a good while and regret not buying one back then.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Aug 21, 2012 14:14:49 GMT -5
counterpoint You just put Y-Cabled after the XDA-2... and connect one set of Ys to the UPA and the other to the sub.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Aug 21, 2012 14:15:54 GMT -5
Is the XDA-2 going to have a 1/4" headphone jack? Yes, the XDA-2 will have a 1/4" jack based on what I saw at THE Show in Newport Beach. However, the new Pro Dac with have two each 1/8" headphone jacks. Interesting that they went 1/8th inch for the Pro DAC. Heck, if you didn't mind the looks, I'd love 1/4 & 1/8th. I don't think that I'd even really mind the looks.
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Post by roadrunner on Aug 21, 2012 14:52:45 GMT -5
So if I wanted to use an XDA-2 with a UPA-200, how would I go about hooking up a sub if the XDA-2 doesn't have a sub-out and the UPA-200 doesn't have a line-out like the UPA-2? Otherwise, I have no choice but to go with a mini-X. Ya, can anyone tell me why Emo chose not to include a line out on the UPA-200 like its predecessor? I was out of the loop for a good while and regret not buying one back then. You could use the Y-cables if you so desired, but there is an easier way if your sub woofer has XLR connections. The XDA-2 has both balanced and unbalanced outputs on the back panel. You would simply hook up the XDA-2 to the UPA-200 using the RCA connectors and to the sub woofer using the XLR connectors.
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Post by counterpoint on Aug 21, 2012 15:38:48 GMT -5
counterpoint You just put Y-Cabled after the XDA-2... and connect one set of Ys to the UPA and the other to the sub. So if I wanted to use an XDA-2 with a UPA-200, how would I go about hooking up a sub if the XDA-2 doesn't have a sub-out and the UPA-200 doesn't have a line-out like the UPA-2? Otherwise, I have no choice but to go with a mini-X. Ya, can anyone tell me why Emo chose not to include a line out on the UPA-200 like its predecessor? I was out of the loop for a good while and regret not buying one back then. You could use the Y-cables if you so desired, but there is an easier way if your sub woofer has XLR connections. The XDA-2 has both balanced and unbalanced outputs on the back panel. You would simply hook up the XDA-2 to the UPA-200 using the RCA connectors and to the sub woofer using the XLR connectors. Y-cables would not be as elegant as I had hoped. Yes, my sub (Emo Ultra Sub 10) does have a XLR input, but how does this work since the XDA outputs on XLR in stereo and the sub has only 1 XLR input? Now, it would make more sense if RCA was used for the sub and XLR for the amp, but the UPA-200 doesn't have balanced inputs. Sigh, lol, confused... And you're sure the XDA-2 outputs both at the same time? Probably the same as the XDA-1 but I'm not familiar with it. So, in an amplifier like the BPA-1 (my current computer setup amp), mini-X, and UPA-2, are the RCA line-outs just a simple split like as if you were just using a Y connector? I always wondered about that. If that's true, it would make more sense as to why not including a line-out would be a big deal.
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Post by shadowlight on Sept 4, 2012 12:36:23 GMT -5
Any time frame on XDA2 or Pro USB Dac along with additional information.
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Post by jmilton on Sept 4, 2012 12:41:31 GMT -5
Any time frame on XDA2 or Pro USB Dac along with additional information. Again, Keith told me that the XDA-2 should be out in time for Christmas...no word on the Pro-DAC
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Post by shadowlight on Sept 4, 2012 14:44:18 GMT -5
Again, Keith told me that the XDA-2 should be out in time for Christmas...no word on the Pro-DAC Thank you.
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Post by klinemj on Sept 4, 2012 17:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by eirik84 on Sept 11, 2012 8:14:28 GMT -5
Very excited about the XDA-2! When the XDA-1 was released, Lonnie said that it would have the same SQ as the XSP-1. Now the XSP-1 has been updated, but the XDA-1 has also been updated to the XDA-2. I guess that if you only have digital sources - the SQ of the XDA-2 and the XSP-1 wont be very different?
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 11, 2012 9:17:48 GMT -5
Very excited about the XDA-2! When the XDA-1 was released, Lonnie said that it would have the same SQ as the XSP-1. Now the XSP-1 has been updated, but the XDA-1 has also been updated to the XDA-2. I guess that if you only have digital sources - the SQ of the XDA-2 and the XSP-1 wont be very different? I think you are getting the product models mixed up, which with all these letters is easy to do. ;D The XDA- series are DAC's and the XSP/USP are analog preamps. You would use the XDA in conjunction with the XSP/USP. The XSP-1 is the "upgraded" version of the USP-1 although they are really in different model lines ("X" versus "U"). If you have a digital source, the signal has to be processed through a DAC before being input into the XSP-1 or USP-1 as those only have analog inputs.
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Post by eirik84 on Sept 11, 2012 10:20:55 GMT -5
Very excited about the XDA-2! When the XDA-1 was released, Lonnie said that it would have the same SQ as the XSP-1. Now the XSP-1 has been updated, but the XDA-1 has also been updated to the XDA-2. I guess that if you only have digital sources - the SQ of the XDA-2 and the XSP-1 wont be very different? I think you are getting the product models mixed up, which with all these letters is easy to do. ;D The XDA- series are DAC's and the XSP/USP are analog preamps. You would use the XDA in conjunction with the XSP/USP. The XSP-1 is the "upgraded" version of the USP-1 although they are really in different model lines ("X" versus "U"). If you have a digital source, the signal has to be processed through a DAC before being input into the XSP-1 or USP-1 as those only have analog inputs. Thanks for answering monkumonku, but im not mixing up the models I meant that Lonnie said that these setups will give the same SQ: 1. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XSP-1 -> XPA-2 2. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XPA-2 BUT, i guess it is logical - adding one more unit in the chain just makes a possibility for less SQ, not improved SQ. A preamp is designed to do as little as possible with the incoming signal
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 11, 2012 10:49:25 GMT -5
I think you are getting the product models mixed up, which with all these letters is easy to do. ;D The XDA- series are DAC's and the XSP/USP are analog preamps. You would use the XDA in conjunction with the XSP/USP. The XSP-1 is the "upgraded" version of the USP-1 although they are really in different model lines ("X" versus "U"). If you have a digital source, the signal has to be processed through a DAC before being input into the XSP-1 or USP-1 as those only have analog inputs. Thanks for answering monkumonku, but im not mixing up the models I meant that Lonnie said that these setups will give the same SQ: 1. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XSP-1 -> XPA-2 2. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XPA-2 BUT, i guess it is logical - adding one more unit in the chain just makes a possibility for less SQ, not improved SQ. A preamp is designed to do as little as possible with the incoming signal Oh... I misread your question but it sounds like you answered it yourself! Yes, the XSP-1 would really not be necessary in the chain unless you wanted bass management.
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Post by UT-Driven on Sept 11, 2012 12:05:26 GMT -5
counterpoint You just put Y-Cabled after the XDA-2... and connect one set of Ys to the UPA and the other to the sub. You could use the Y-cables if you so desired, but there is an easier way if your sub woofer has XLR connections. The XDA-2 has both balanced and unbalanced outputs on the back panel. You would simply hook up the XDA-2 to the UPA-200 using the RCA connectors and to the sub woofer using the XLR connectors. Y-cables would not be as elegant as I had hoped. Yes, my sub (Emo Ultra Sub 10) does have a XLR input, but how does this work since the XDA outputs on XLR in stereo and the sub has only 1 XLR input? Now, it would make more sense if RCA was used for the sub and XLR for the amp, but the UPA-200 doesn't have balanced inputs. Sigh, lol, confused... And you're sure the XDA-2 outputs both at the same time? Probably the same as the XDA-1 but I'm not familiar with it. So, in an amplifier like the BPA-1 (my current computer setup amp), mini-X, and UPA-2, are the RCA line-outs just a simple split like as if you were just using a Y connector? I always wondered about that. If that's true, it would make more sense as to why not including a line-out would be a big deal.[/quote] You can use a passive splitter like this: shop.emotiva.com/collections/accessories/products/xbal-1x2That's about as close to elegant as you can get. :-) Doug
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Post by Dark Ranger on Sept 11, 2012 12:25:30 GMT -5
Thanks for answering monkumonku, but im not mixing up the models I meant that Lonnie said that these setups will give the same SQ: 1. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XSP-1 -> XPA-2 2. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XPA-2 BUT, i guess it is logical - adding one more unit in the chain just makes a possibility for less SQ, not improved SQ. A preamp is designed to do as little as possible with the incoming signal I'd like to mention a couple of things here. It's been mentioned before that the XDA-1 sounds best connected directly to an amplifier. This was brought up regarding the USP-1. With the XSP-1, it is still (technically) adding an additional link in the chain between XDA-1 and XPA-2. However, the XSP-1 is a higher-quality pre-amp than the USP-1 and therefore should have less negative impact on the sound (if any). While I agree with Lonnie in principle and theory, I think that real-world implementation could turn out differently. Explanation: We know that using an XDA-1 as a pre-amp can impact sound quality (at low volumes) due to digital attenuation. There are few here that would plug in a XDA-1 directly to an XPA-2, and then keep the DAC at 80. Can you say bleeding ears? This means that the XDA-1 would need to stay at lower levels and therefore would compromise sound quality. However, if the XDA-1 was connected to the XSP-1, that combo should have better real-world results because the DAC could stay at 80, while the XSP-1 controls the volume with minimal impact on sound quality. My point: option 1 should have better real-world SQ if the DAC can stay at 80. Of course, I don't have an XSP-1 to back up my claims. Disclaimer: In the past, I had my XDA-1 connected to the mini-X a-100. I kept the DAC at 80, but only because the a-100 has a volume control. If it didn't, I would have been forced to use the DAC's volume control which would have affected SQ at lower volume levels. There's no way I'd plug in my XDA-1 to a regular amp and run it at 80. The XDA-2 appears to solve this problem. My two cents.
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Post by eirik84 on Sept 11, 2012 12:48:43 GMT -5
Thanks for answering monkumonku, but im not mixing up the models I meant that Lonnie said that these setups will give the same SQ: 1. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XSP-1 -> XPA-2 2. ERC-2 -> XDA-1 -> XPA-2 BUT, i guess it is logical - adding one more unit in the chain just makes a possibility for less SQ, not improved SQ. A preamp is designed to do as little as possible with the incoming signal I'd like to mention a couple of things here. It's been mentioned before that the XDA-1 sounds best connected directly to an amplifier. This was brought up regarding the USP-1. With the XSP-1, it is still (technically) adding an additional link in the chain between XDA-1 and XPA-2. However, the XSP-1 is a higher-quality pre-amp than the USP-1 and therefore should have less negative impact on the sound (if any). While I agree with Lonnie in principle and theory, I think that real-world implementation could turn out differently. Explanation: We know that using an XDA-1 as a pre-amp can impact sound quality (at low volumes) due to digital attenuation. There are few here that would plug in a XDA-1 directly to an XPA-2, and then keep the DAC at 80. Can you say bleeding ears? This means that the XDA-1 would need to stay at lower levels and therefore would compromise sound quality. However, if the XDA-1 was connected to the XSP-1, that combo should have better real-world results because the DAC could stay at 80, while the XSP-1 controls the volume with minimal impact on sound quality. My point: option 1 should have better real-world SQ if the DAC can stay at 80. Of course, I don't have an XSP-1 to back up my claims. Disclaimer: In the past, I had my XDA-1 connected to the mini-X a-100. I kept the DAC at 80, but only because the a-100 has a volume control. If it didn't, I would have been forced to use the DAC's volume control which would have affected SQ at lower volume levels. There's no way I'd plug in my XDA-1 to a regular amp and run it at 80. The XDA-2 appears to solve this problem. My two cents. Just to clarify a few things, what I wrote was meant before they found out that the XDA-1 did'nt have a lossless volumecontrol By the release of the XDA-1 Emotiva and Lonnie thought the volumecontroll was lossless, and therefor it was said that there would be no SQ-improvement if XSP-1 was added if you only have digital sources. If you need bassmanagement or have a turntable, then I can understand the meaning of adding a XSP-1 Now the XDA-2 will soon be released, and it has that lossless volumecontrol Emotiva thought the XDA-1 had. So i really think the XDA-2 will be a success!
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Post by Dark Ranger on Sept 11, 2012 13:08:35 GMT -5
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by eirik84 on Oct 1, 2012 11:50:52 GMT -5
No news about the mighty XDA-2? Thought I heard on a podcast that it should be released at the same time as the XSP-1? Gonna be a nice product! Hoping it has the same milled alu-remote as the XDA-1
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Post by klinemj on Oct 1, 2012 12:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by shadowlight on Oct 1, 2012 16:25:54 GMT -5
Is it November yet
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