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Post by plato on Jun 2, 2012 19:47:08 GMT -5
Hey Yall,
Currently have the Ultra - 12. Sounds great, but I guess the upgrade/gear envy in me is always searching for the next. next what? well you guys already know!
Currently my sub sits in a front corner of the room.
Over the summer I intend on hosting a small musical enjoyment gathering, in a 4 car garage.
I don't believe this sub would be enough. Was thinking about getting an X-ref 12.
The X-ref, from what I understand, is same drivers but stronger amp. How would the X-ref 12 and Ultra 12 blend together? Would it still sound tight/accurate? What should I do to ensure adequate bass coverage? I was planning on positioning each sub in a opposite front corners. With my ERT 8.3 for L/R. Basically 2.1 or 2.2 system.
Thanks!
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Post by geebo on Jun 2, 2012 20:31:13 GMT -5
Hey Yall, Currently have the Ultra - 12. Sounds great, but I guess the upgrade/gear envy in me is always searching for the next. next what? well you guys already know! Currently my sub sits in a front corner of the room. Over the summer I intend on hosting a small musical enjoyment gathering, in a 4 car garage. I don't believe this sub would be enough. Was thinking about getting an X-ref 12. The X-ref, from what I understand, is same drivers but stronger amp. How would the X-ref 12 and Ultra 12 blend together? Would it still sound tight/accurate? What should I do to ensure adequate bass coverage? I was planning on positioning each sub in a opposite front corners. With my ERT 8.3 for L/R. Basically 2.1 or 2.2 system. Thanks! I use both and am pleased with how they work together in my room. The X-Ref adds a little more at the deep end and the tightness throughout the range is still as good as with a single unit. It also smoothed out the room response enough that I was able to remove the Behringer PEQ I was using. Of course, two XRefs would be better but I like what I get with the Ultra 12 and XRef 12 combined. Very good with music and meets my needs for HT. |
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Post by plato on Jun 2, 2012 20:42:33 GMT -5
Geebo,
Thanks for the quick reply back!
Might I ask, how big is your listening room, and what is the audible difference with just having the Ultra - 12 vs X - Ref 12, vs Ultra + X-ref?
Thanks!
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Post by ottaone on Jun 2, 2012 20:43:03 GMT -5
8.3s should be enough for 2.1 music, no?
I suggest softening the garage a little bit by adding some absorptive materials. That's probably all you need for the gear that you have now.
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Post by geebo on Jun 2, 2012 21:23:28 GMT -5
Geebo, Thanks for the quick reply back! Might I ask, how big is your listening room, and what is the audible difference with just having the Ultra - 12 vs X - Ref 12, vs Ultra + X-ref? Thanks! IIRC, its about 14 x 22 x 8 with a stairway on the left end and an opening to the kitchen at the rear left. My system is biased toward the right side of the room along the long wall with the right speaker about 4 feet from the right wall and the left speaker about 10' from the right speaker. I have the Ultra placed to the left of my TV facing across the short dimension and the XRef on the right wall about 3' from the corner aimed across the long dimension. They are both about the same distance from the sweet spot and outputs of the two are matched as closely as I could get them with the total output about 3db hotter than my mains when checked with a calibrated Galaxy CM-140 SPL. I've not run the XRef by itself enough but when compared to the Ultra alone, I get an overall smoother response and a better controlled bass and greater headroom. Certain tracks such as Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine have a lot more authority that just isn't the same with the Ultra alone. What little localization effects I had are gone as well. I also found a few more things in the room that rattled and required rubber stick-on pads to quiet down. ;D |
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Post by geebo on Jun 2, 2012 21:27:56 GMT -5
8.3s should be enough for 2.1 music, no? I suggest softening the garage a little bit by adding some absorptive materials. That's probably all you need for the gear that you have now. I very often listen to CDs with only my 8.3s but with multi-channel concert BDs having an LFE channel, the two subs really add to the experience. And some CDs also benifit from the subs too. |
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Post by plato on Aug 20, 2012 3:07:34 GMT -5
Ended up picking up a second ultra 12...to "try" out.
I expect great things..but at the same time I'm secretly hoping that its not too big of an improvement so I won't be entice to keep it.
Will report back in 3-4 weeks after plenty of indulging!
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Post by tattooDan on Aug 20, 2012 9:10:57 GMT -5
Ended up picking up a second ultra 12...to "try" out. I expect great things..but at the same time I'm secretly hoping that its not too big of an improvement so I won't be entice to keep it. Will report back in 3-4 weeks after plenty of indulging! I love my ultra 12,but it really filled my 17x19 room when I added a second ultra 12,I love the dual sub sound,I am very glad I did it,I have even considered going with 4 ! (of course 2 more x-ref or used ultras) 2 is WAY better than 1 and IMO an ultra 12 and an x-ref 12 would fit together just fine. I uh,erh,hope this helps !  |
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