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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 14, 2012 0:08:26 GMT -5
the emotiva certainly looks like a better value but even if it cost a few hundred more , it would have been a better value if it had more power. At least IMHO More power? Really???
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Post by 12elfthfloor on Dec 14, 2012 1:20:01 GMT -5
I bet an XPA-1 could hold it's own against most Levinson amps. Still, would love to see an XPR-1 side by side. Uh no, I've had the XPA-1 in my home and its a great amp but the Levinson wins hands down. The XPA-1 is quite an accomplishment for the money though. in what way? very interested in your thoughts as i have no experience in the Levinsons.
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Post by emovac on Dec 14, 2012 1:57:33 GMT -5
That is a sweet looking 82 pound monoblock. 20 amp circuit! Better install solar PV to feed that baby.
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Post by briank on Dec 14, 2012 6:32:15 GMT -5
Uh no, I've had the XPA-1 in my home and its a great amp but the Levinson wins hands down. The XPA-1 is quite an accomplishment for the money though. in what way? very interested in your thoughts as i have no experience in the Levinsons. I'll pm you when I get home later. This thread should be about the XPR-1. I look forward to hearing the XPR-1 to see if its sound matches or exceeds the best of the best. It would be quite an accomplishment. That said, the "best" can also depend on one's personal sound preference. "Among the best" would be a more accurate statement and allow for personal preference.
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2012 10:16:39 GMT -5
as has already been mentioned in this thread, there is NO WAY that emotiva will ever be compared to the upper echelon of amps in the audiophile world. too many people have it stuck in there head that if an amp costs ten times more it has to be better. stupid? yes. but that is the reality of it. and it will be confirmed by the audiophile magazines that sell ads to these big bux manufacturers. besides, we all know that a "home theater" company can't compete with the big name amp manufacturers, right? Emotiva isn't a "Home Theater" company. They make multichannel amps and processors just like any of the other major amp manufacturers (Bryston, Lexicon, etc). The fact that they sell direct to users and don't mark up their products 2-4x by selling through dealers is why the magazines and dealers will never say much positive. Dealers need their margins to stay open, and magazines need revenue from the dealers. If your purchases aren't paying for the middle man....... Of course he's not going to talk about how much he loves your amps, regardless of how good they are. And anybody is going to say that their $20k amp sounds better than a $2k amp. If they didn't, then they'd be admitting that they just wasted $18k! Real men don't do that................ I feel like the $20k amp is better, therefore I can hear it! Yes, that's it.
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2012 10:19:57 GMT -5
Like I've said before...I'll put my XPR-5 against any multichannel amp out there. :-) Agreed 100%
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Post by danr on Dec 14, 2012 10:23:57 GMT -5
The fact that they sell direct to users and don't mark up their products 2-4x by selling through dealers is why the magazines and dealers will never say much positive. Dealers need their margins to stay open, and magazines need revenue from the dealers. If your purchases aren't paying for the middle man....... Of course he's not going to talk about how much he loves your amps, regardless of how good they are. Big Dan cracked me up on the latest podcast when he & Cathy (or was it Lonnie) had an exchange like this: Big Dan - "The XPR 1 & 2 will be here mid December. That will be for the Christmas sale, right?" Cathy/Lonnie - "yes, they should be out there by Dec 14, and will be on sale." Big Dan - "That's probably not good marketing. But that's what we do here. Come out with new products, and put them right on sale." ;D It went something like that, and he's right & self deprecating...but we certainly appreciate it.
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2012 10:26:17 GMT -5
I remember that in the podcast. I thought that was hilarious!
Makes me laugh how honest they are.
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Post by vital on Dec 14, 2012 14:03:28 GMT -5
And anybody is going to say that their $20k amp sounds better than a $2k amp. If they didn't, then they'd be admitting that they just wasted $18k! Real men don't do that................ I feel like the $20k amp is better, therefore I can hear it! Yes, that's it. That's pretty accurate IMO. A friend of mine has a two channel setup that costs around 100k. He has Focal Nova Utopia's powered by Pass Labs monoblocks and I am not blown away by any means. I feel like my 10cent system gives his a run for the money at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2012 14:10:11 GMT -5
I'll never forget Dr. Toole's comments on "faith based audio". Psychoacoustics is a strong thing!
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 14, 2012 16:36:56 GMT -5
Why does the XPR-1 features displayed onto the website precise that a 20 amp circuit dedicated to the amp is necessary ? Is that a compulsory condition if one want to use 'cause I'd probably buy one but if you do have to live into a nuclear center to get these working that's not really simple My current pair of XPA-1 have no dedicated current circuit and they work fine. So with no dedicated 20 amp circuit may I have problems using them . No means to build a new 20 amp circuit, I rent a flat In order to pass testing under lab conditions, which are very demanding, we must use a 20A line cord. As we all know, in a home environment while listening to music, this type of long term power consumption is not going to be encountered due to the low average power levels found in music and movies. Furman makes a very nice line cord adapter with a internal circuit breaker that can be safely used to convert the 20A plug to a standard wall outlet, part number ADP-1520. Hope this helps! Cheers, Big Dan
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 14, 2012 16:43:57 GMT -5
as has already been mentioned in this thread, there is NO WAY that emotiva will ever be compared to the upper echelon of amps in the audiophile world. too many people have it stuck in there head that if an amp costs ten times more it has to be better. stupid? yes. but that is the reality of it. and it will be confirmed by the audiophile magazines that sell ads to these big bux manufacturers. besides, we all know that a "home theater" company can't compete with the big name amp manufacturers, right? I'm not sure if you are being serious or tongue in cheek but: Take the mark Levinson N 532H monoblock Price: ML: $9,500 XPR-1: $1,250 (sale) Power: ML: 600 watts@ 8ohms (no 4 ohm rating given) XPR-1: 1000 watts @ 8 ohms (1750 watts @ 4 ohms) SNR: ML: 85db @ reference level XPR-1: 118 db @ full output (A-weighted so it may be lower unweighted but still likely higher than ML) 93 db (A-weighted) @ 1 watt Frequency response: ML: 10-20 khz 0.5db deviation XPR-1: 20-20 khz 0.1 db devation, 5-80 khz (0db, -3db @80khz) THD+N ML: 300 watts/channel @ <0.05% thd (no noise rating) unclear if this is THD or THD at rated power XPR-1 at rated power 1000 watts: <0.5%, THD+N rating: <0.0025% Gain: ML 26 db XPR-1: 29 db Both are fully balanced Amps. So in the end measurement wise it's clear that they do compare and in a lot of cases the xpr-1 outperforms the mark-levinson for about 13% the price. THIRTEEN PERCENT. Now does this mean the xpr-1 sounds BETTER than a mark-levinson monoblock. I have no idea as I haven't heard it. I don't think measurements are a 100% indicator of how a product actually sounds. If i had to guess, I would side with the ML. But the point remains that measurement wise the emotiva's appear to compete very well. We're up for an amp shoot out!! "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself" W.C. Cheers, Big Dan
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 14, 2012 16:45:28 GMT -5
I would love to see a shootout with ML, Krell and Classe just to shut up the nay sayers..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 16:59:57 GMT -5
Emotiva isn't a "Home Theater" company. Well, they sure fooled me! I would have sworn that the 5 channel power amp and 5 speakers including LCR and two surround speakers that I bought several years ago had "Emotiva" on them. Also I would swear the the XMC-1 7.2 Channel Preamplifier/Processor that I have on pre-order is also from Emotiva. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 14, 2012 17:01:05 GMT -5
I would love to see a shootout with ML, Krell and Classe just to shut up the nay sayers.. I'd like to see/read about that too! The XPR-5 is a wonderful achievement - and I'm certain the XPR-1s & 2s could more than hold their own against the "typical Stereophile reviewed brands"! I know Stereophile touched upon the XPA-5 briefly a few months back, but they didn't do a full test and broken down detailed review, afraid? Home Theater magazine (my favorite) has never reviewed Emotiva's amps that I'm aware of, though Emo's ads are in every issue. Why not? Probably because it would upset Parasound, Classe', Bryston, et al...
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 14, 2012 17:09:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure a 'shoot out' would shut anyone up, they'd find something wrong with the tests or the people. Some skeptics won't be changed, but a good words from a valued reviewer (your favorite here) under their familiar conditions, could bring more respect which is even better.
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Post by bitsandbytes on Dec 14, 2012 20:04:10 GMT -5
The gauntlet has been thrown! I think an amp shootout at the next Emofest would be a great highlight. It could not fail but to generate a lot of interest in the audio community. I believe it would give Emotiva very positive publicity, be very informative to lovers of music and home theater, and give Emotiva a shot in the arm with their amp sales. It will not silence detractors. There are too many people who are not happy unless they are complaining or hearing negative news. Nothing conclusive would be drawn from it. It is just something that would be fun to do. Just love that "bring 'em on" approach.
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Post by jdskycaster on Dec 14, 2012 22:07:08 GMT -5
One beast of an amp for sure and like all of the very best solid state amplifiers that I have ever auditioned would hope that is has no "sound" at all.
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Post by ocezam on Dec 15, 2012 0:10:57 GMT -5
If anyone is seriously contemplating paying an electrician to run a dedicated 115V 20A circuit, first get a quote for running a dedicated 220V line. The cost should be comparable and all Emotiva amps automatically sense and adjust to input voltage. Your amp will pull half the amperage from the wall at 220V as it does on 110V.
My XPA-5 is running on 230 volts simply because the line was already in the correct place when I moved into this house. It used to power an electric heater apparently.
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Post by bootman on Dec 15, 2012 0:38:12 GMT -5
I'm looking over at the specs and I can't think of a in home application that will make this run out of juice. Unless you have 1ohm apogee scintillas (and I'll bet your circuit breaker will trip first) I just don't see any speaker making this thing sweat. Nice job guys, bravo.
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