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Post by cc999 on Jan 21, 2013 15:58:39 GMT -5
Need some help, I have the new UMS-200 connect to an Emotive XPA-5. I can only get BASS when I put the UMC on DIRECT. For example, I have a DVD audio of The Doobie Brothers 'The Captain and Me". I select DTS on the DVD and the UMC decode mode is be DTS like it should but there is NO bass going to my Sub? If I change manually to DIRECT it sounds terrific.
I have the same problem with DVD movies or even TV. Direct mode seems to activate my bass module but any other modes does not. I did run the setup several times and same result. I also factory reset and reran the setup and still the same.
My speakers are all set to small with crossover at 80, sub crossover set to 125.
What exactly is Direct mode? Is this working like it should or do I have a defective unit?
Thanks
Charlie
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Post by cc999 on Jan 21, 2013 18:28:12 GMT -5
OK after some experimentation:
In Settings Equalizer settings:
The second I changed from EMO-Q to Manual Q everything is perfect. TV and any DVD music or movie is in the correct decoding mode. Bass is perfect in the decoded mode and I do NOT have to change to direct.
Any ideas why?
Charlie C
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Post by cc999 on Jan 27, 2013 6:01:19 GMT -5
over 200 reads and no one can help?
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Post by davidas6350 on Jan 27, 2013 7:20:08 GMT -5
Sounds like something went wrong when you did the EMO-Q calibration. As far as I know, when it is in DIRECT mode it by-passes the Room correction and Bass management settings which you get when you ran the EMO-Q calibration.
The crossover settings looks ok, did you manually changed those or is that the actual values the EMO-Q set it to?
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Post by cc999 on Jan 29, 2013 14:40:18 GMT -5
That's the EMO settings.
Equalizer set to EMO-Q
Have DTS DVD playing
I select DIRECT then I see the pop up say DTS
Sounds fantastic
If I switch to DTS (manually)
Hardly any bass
Switch back to DIRECT pop up says DTS Sounds great again
With equalizer on EMO-Q and direct selected does this use the EMO settings?
What exactly is Direct mode? I even see there is a dedicated key for direct .
I see the complete opposite of what you are saying?
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Post by bootman on Jan 29, 2013 16:05:11 GMT -5
over 200 reads and no one can help? CC What did tech support say? You do know this isn't the Emotiva tech support forum, just a bunch of audio nuts helping each other out. The UMC-200 is still new and not many here have one. However, if you do find out what was wrong, post the fix here to help others out. |
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Post by cc999 on Jan 29, 2013 16:55:40 GMT -5
Waiting on their answer, will post when I get it.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 29, 2013 17:06:05 GMT -5
The "Direct" mode is exactly as the name might imply. No sub-processing of the data stream other than decoding. No EQ, No Bass Management. Direct in, direct out. IMO, something is wrong with your EQ settings.... Try this.. Go to your EmoQ setup menu, it should now be set to "EmoQ". Set it to " Flat". Flat leaves bass management in tact, but bypasses the EQs. That's half of what the Direct mode does. Now go back and play a DTS track and see if there's a difference that's more like what you hear in the "Direct" mode. Report back what you find.....  |
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Post by avaddikt on Jan 29, 2013 23:33:13 GMT -5
If you manually go through the various modes DTS, Sterero, Neo, etc. and want to return to letting let the UMC auto select the best processing for a specific input signal, press DIRECT.
As long as EMQ is highlighted (or any other EQ setting), it should be active regardless of the signal decoding being used.
At least that is my understanding. If I am wrong I would certainly like a more clear definition from Emotiva.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 29, 2013 23:59:07 GMT -5
If you manually go through the various modes DTS, Sterero, Neo, etc. and want to return to letting let the UMC auto select the best processing for a specific input signal, press DIRECT. As long as EMQ is highlighted (or any other EQ setting), it should be active regardless of the signal decoding being used. At least that is my understanding. If I am wrong I would certainly like a more clear definition from Emotiva. Hmmm... That's not how "Direct" works, nor is that its intended use. "Direct" is a processing mode, not a function (as you're describing). The UMC-200 manual is still very vague (so I can understand the confusion) and not specific in its description of the "modes", but I did manage to find one passage from the UMC-200 manual to validate what "Direct" does. From the UMC-200 manual... Note: If you have Direct Mode selected, or are using the 7.1 Channel Audio direct input, you will NOT be able to preview the EQ settings (because EQ is not applied in Direct mode).Hope that helps..... |
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Post by creimes on Jan 30, 2013 0:12:46 GMT -5
Direct is whatever is sent to the UMC-200 is output from the UMC-200 unaltered...for example-
2 Channel CD it will output 2 channels with no EQ adjustments or subwoofer
5.1 Channel DVD/Blu-ray etc will output 5.1 channels with no EQ adjustments
You can still adjust channel levels just no EQ with Direct mode.
I have a UMC-1 and always watch my Blu-ray's in Direct..to me it sounds better, only thing I do is up the center speaker level a bit.
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Post by avaddikt on Jan 30, 2013 0:55:34 GMT -5
Direct is whatever is sent to the UMC-200 is output from the UMC-200 unaltered...for example- 2 Channel CD it will output 2 channels with no EQ adjustments or subwoofer 5.1 Channel DVD/Blu-ray etc will output 5.1 channels with no EQ adjustments You can still adjust channel levels just no EQ with Direct mode. I have a UMC-1 and always watch my Blu-ray's in Direct..to me it sounds better, only thing I do is up the center speaker level a bit. Absolutely. I can have DIRECT and EMOQ highlighted and look at EMQ parameters at will. The manual also says, when the EMOQ is highlighted in the menu (or any other EQ) that is the one that is active. |
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Post by KeithL on Jan 30, 2013 10:43:26 GMT -5
Correct: With an ANALOG INPUT, in DIRECT MODE, there is NO BASS MANAGEMENT, NO EQ (including no EmoQ), but you still get level trims. (The audio goes straight to the volume control.) With a DIGITAL INPUT, in DIRECT MODE, YOU DO GET BASS MANAGEMENT, but NO EQ (and no EmoQ), and you get the level trims. The DIRECT 7.1 INPUTS are simply a set of analog inputs that are LOCKED INTO DIRECT MODE (you can ONLY select Direct Mode for the 7.1 analog inputs). In other words, the 7.1 Analog Inputs in Direct Mode are like the other analog inputs in direct mode, except that you can't change to any other mode. Direct is whatever is sent to the UMC-200 is output from the UMC-200 unaltered...for example- 2 Channel CD it will output 2 channels with no EQ adjustments or subwoofer 5.1 Channel DVD/Blu-ray etc will output 5.1 channels with no EQ adjustments You can still adjust channel levels just no EQ with Direct mode. I have a UMC-1 and always watch my Blu-ray's in Direct..to me it sounds better, only thing I do is up the center speaker level a bit. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Jan 30, 2013 13:28:46 GMT -5
So, if I understand this correctly. If you use HDMI in Direct mode you can use your subwoofer.
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Post by creimes on Jan 30, 2013 13:32:59 GMT -5
As long as the source is outputting the .1 channel then yes, but if you are listening to say a CD which is only 2 channel then there will be no Subwoofer activity in Direct Mode
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 30, 2013 13:57:45 GMT -5
As long as the source is outputting the .1 channel then yes, but if you are listening to say a CD which is only 2 channel then there will be no Subwoofer activity in Direct Mode Well... I guess that depends upon how your Bass Management is configured. According to Keith's post above, you "do" get BM in the Direct mode on a digital input. Straight to the volume control on an analog input. Why the difference (digital vs. analog) is beyond me... Of course that's contrary to the way it's set up on the UMC-1 (and most other AVRs and prepros on the market), so I suppose I'll need to investigate that a little deeper this evening. One more for my "Huh...?" list..... ;D |
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Post by creimes on Jan 30, 2013 14:23:59 GMT -5
As long as the source is outputting the .1 channel then yes, but if you are listening to say a CD which is only 2 channel then there will be no Subwoofer activity in Direct Mode One more for my "Huh...?" list..... ;D LOL I here ya, but I thought even a 2 channel source connected digital in would not have bass management.....  |
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Post by KeithL on Jan 30, 2013 14:31:24 GMT -5
Just to clarify: We have noticed several comments about there being "no bass" in DTS Mode, but there being "plenty of bass" in Direct Mode. In our tests, the UMC-200 delivers the bass that it should in each mode.... You should, however, note that it is quite possible that EmoQ is reducing the amount of bass in a particular installation. (EmoQ is designed to make your in-room speaker response as FLAT as possible, which does not mean that you will get the most bass that way. If you have too much bass, EmoQ will happily lower it as much as necessary.) If this is the case, then you will indeed have less bass in DTS (where EmoQ is active) than in Direct Mode (where EmoQ is bypassed). The easiest way to confirm this is, while still in DTS Mode, switch between the FLAT and EMOQ EQ settings (Flat should sound the same as DTS). REMEMBER that, in this case, "Flat" means that the EQ is Flat (Off); it does NOT mean that your system is operating with a flat frequency response. Need some help, I have the new UMS-200 connect to an Emotive XPA-5. I can only get BASS when I put the UMC on DIRECT. For example, I have a DVD audio of The Doobie Brothers 'The Captain and Me". I select DTS on the DVD and the UMC decode mode is be DTS like it should but there is NO bass going to my Sub? If I change manually to DIRECT it sounds terrific. I have the same problem with DVD movies or even TV. Direct mode seems to activate my bass module but any other modes does not. I did run the setup several times and same result. I also factory reset and reran the setup and still the same. My speakers are all set to small with crossover at 80, sub crossover set to 125. What exactly is Direct mode? Is this working like it should or do I have a defective unit? Thanks Charlie |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Jan 30, 2013 14:50:12 GMT -5
As long as the source is outputting the .1 channel then yes, but if you are listening to say a CD which is only 2 channel then there will be no Subwoofer activity in Direct Mode How about just stereo then? |
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Post by cc999 on Jan 30, 2013 16:37:33 GMT -5
OK For everyone's info I am connected via HDMI from the Blue-ray player.
As suggested I selected FLAT in the EQ and the BASS comes to life. If I select the EMO-Q setting the Bass is suppressed again.
If I leave the EMO-Q on and then toggles the different modes with the remote, on DTS the bass is gone, when it gets to DIRECT it come back to life.
So what I am hearing is that even though I have EMO-Q selected and then toggle to direct with the remote (which displays DTS) I am NOT getting the effect of the EMO-Q?
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