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Post by dougc on Jan 2, 2013 12:24:26 GMT -5
Hi. I had already kinda decided to get the UPA 500 come tax time.To replace the amps in my 12 yr.old Yamaha RX-V 596. For the time being I will use the Yamaha as a processor. But then I started thinking about it and for a $100 more I could get the 700.Even though I only have the capabilities of a 5.1 right now why limit myself. My question is; Do independent amps react the same as AVR's ? I mean, If I buy a 7ch. amp and only use 5 of the channels. Will the extra wattage go to the 5 channels? Or make the 5 channels more effecient ? since their all sharing the same transformer just like an AVR. I wish Emotiva would do like Home Theater mag when doing a review, and take like their 7 ch.amp and show 7ch.,5 ch,2ch's driven. Responses would be greatly appreciated. Happy New Years . Doug
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Post by dougc on Jan 2, 2013 14:27:24 GMT -5
I am starting to wonder if I did this post in the wrong place. Stupid questions might have been the better place ?? I'm not sure, this is my first time posting on this lounge. Replies would be nice. Have a nice day. Doug
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 15:01:26 GMT -5
If you have plenty of room and have the extra dough the upa-700 would seem to be the better choice. It has a bigger power supply and more filter capatience so even if you are only using 5 channels those things never hurt. I love the smaller size of the upa-500 myself and it is a great sounding amp as well so it depends on your personal preferences.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jan 2, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5
Agreed, the UPA-700 is the best choice IMO if you've got an extra $100.00. You future proof yourself for 7.1, and in the meantime, you can bi-amp your main L & R front channels, or drive a second zone! It's all good! Welcome home. Big Dan
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Post by dougc on Jan 3, 2013 14:11:18 GMT -5
How much more wattage and effeciency will the 700 with 5 ch's driven compared to the 500?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 22:51:14 GMT -5
I had once wondered if I should go with the UPA-500 or UPA-700. I have the XPA-200 for my front two speakers, and run a 7.1 setup. I have decided personally, since I am home most of the time, the 100 dollars spent is really not asking much for the extra breathing room given by the bigger transformer and capacitance. Wattage is one thing, but to me the dynamics is more important, in which I believe is from better power handling...but I could be wrong. I can wire a 2nd room or use the two leftover channels for something later on, maybe if home theater goes beyond true 7.1. Theoretically I could do 9.1 if I had the correct amp for that etc. If you will use the amp a ton, I would suggest the UPA-700 over the 500 model. I am going to be ordering the UPA-700 at the end of this month personally, even though I will run 5 channels on it. I do not know if you have ordered anything from Emotiva before, but I have had one issue and the unit was replaced with a factory new unit no questions asked, and the new replacement has been flawless. The sound is so much better on my XPA-200 than my Denon integrated haha. Hello from Monroe, WA btw! Enjoy.
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Post by creimes on Feb 6, 2013 0:09:52 GMT -5
All the Emo amps are rated minimum power all channels driven, so if you are using less channels there will be more power reserves available for those channels but not exactly the full power of that unused channel, for example if you were using 5 of the 7 channels it won't give that extra 160 watss from the 2 unused channels and divide it into the other 5.
What speakers are you using, I currently have a UPA-500 and it is no slouch and will easily outperform your Yamaha receiver, but like Dan said for the little bit of added cost it's always nice to have some extra channels for Bi-Amping your mains if possible or for a second zone.
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Post by meldhache on Feb 7, 2013 16:42:26 GMT -5
Agreed, the UPA-700 may be used even to biamplify the center so important in movies IMOO. Mel
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Post by dougc on Feb 10, 2013 11:29:53 GMT -5
I had once wondered if I should go with the UPA-500 or UPA-700. I have the XPA-200 for my front two speakers, and run a 7.1 setup. I have decided personally, since I am home most of the time, the 100 dollars spent is really not asking much for the extra breathing room given by the bigger transformer and capacitance. Wattage is one thing, but to me the dynamics is more important, in which I believe is from better power handling...but I could be wrong. I can wire a 2nd room or use the two leftover channels for something later on, maybe if home theater goes beyond true 7.1. Theoretically I could do 9.1 if I had the correct amp for that etc. If you will use the amp a ton, I would suggest the UPA-700 over the 500 model. I am going to be ordering the UPA-700 at the end of this month personally, even though I will run 5 channels on it. I do not know if you have ordered anything from Emotiva before, but I have had one issue and the unit was replaced with a factory new unit no questions asked, and the new replacement has been flawless. The sound is so much better on my XPA-200 than my Denon integrated haha. Hello from Monroe, WA btw! Enjoy. I also plan on ordering the 700 the end of this month. I hope like hell it ends up being a huge noticable upgrade. Noticable enough that my wife will hear and enjoy the difference. She is totally against me getting this, she think it's a latteral move. A 100 wpc. AVR for a 80wpc. amp. I have been trying to convince her that it's all about sound quality not watts . I recently pulled out a Carver TFM 55x amp I had sitting on the shelf in my garage. I hooked it up to my mains and wow what a difference. She even heard the difference ;D. Then I looked at her and said now take that times 5 or 7. That was my attempt to persuade her anyway. It kinda worked but not completely. She is like me and having a hard time buying something without hearing it first. Unfortunatly I have to disconect my Carver it keeps shutting down on 1 side. A cold solder joint I believe,unfortunatly this line of Carver amps were plauged by this .
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Post by dougc on Feb 10, 2013 12:15:43 GMT -5
All the Emo amps are rated minimum power all channels driven, so if you are using less channels there will be more power reserves available for those channels but not exactly the full power of that unused channel, for example if you were using 5 of the 7 channels it won't give that extra 160 watss from the 2 unused channels and divide it into the other 5. What speakers are you using, I currently have a UPA-500 and it is no slouch and will easily outperform your Yamaha receiver, but like Dan said for the little bit of added cost it's always nice to have some extra channels for Bi-Amping your mains if possible or for a second zone. My 2subs (L/R), mains and center are all home maid. My 3 front speakers all consist of 2-Vifa PL18wo midbasses, 2 BG (Bohlender Graebener)Neo 8pdr mids and 1 BG Neo3pdr tweet. My 3-way crossovers are custom built at 12/18/12 db. octive slopes @ 450 and2000hz. Enclosures are 1.40cuft.solid cherry slot port loaded. effiency is 90-91db. My surrounds are 12yr.old Paradigms Monitor 3's. I will eventually make new surrounds to match my front 3. I sure hope the 700 ends up being a big improvement in SQ. over my Yamaha.
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Post by davidas6350 on Feb 10, 2013 15:27:10 GMT -5
I hope like hell it ends up being a huge noticable upgrade. Noticable enough that my wife will hear and enjoy the difference. She is totally against me getting this, she think it's a latteral move. A 100 wpc. AVR for a 80wpc. amp. I have been trying to convince her that it's all about sound quality not watts . On my HT setup (Sony 120w x7 ---> UMC-200 + UPA 700), it's definitely a huge noticeable upgrade. I'm sure you won't be disappointed . On a different note: You might want to check your signature for all those extra spaces... you know, so we don't have to scroll to lots of empty space ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 9:18:22 GMT -5
The Emotiva will be a huge upgrade for sonics. You will hear more variance (High to low). A bigger spectrum of audio that you were most likely missing with an AVR. Some AVR models have a tinny sound, or have too much or too little of bass, but it is removed when you use your preouts. I had a Denon 1910 and it was pretty good so I thought. It had decent bass, but the highs were a bit scratchy. I switched to a Denon 3312ci so that I could have preouts and start with an Emotiva power amp. The Denon 3312ci plugged in right after using the Denon 1910, I could hear a huge lack of bass, but much better highs. It sounded anemic, as I have read for a description in a review..but the word fits perfect. I had gotten the Emotiva XPA-200 and had an issue a week in, it was replaced no questions asked (US CUSTOMER keep in mind). I had to run the Denon 3312ci again, and immediately was in a bummer mood haha. I got the brand new replacement (non refurb), and it has worked since....shipping was prepaid back....just costing me time. As far as I am concerned, the AVR integrated units just lack the power section, wattage is one thing, the clean power is another. You will have capacitance that acts as a reservoir for power before hitting the transformer. The caps will also move power quicker for audio transients than the transformer could...also allowing a more averaged power pull from the transformer and wall outlets, rather than sort of spiking for power so often (hits caps of stored energy). Basically....the power section is what is there with a separate....and not skimped like the AVR's are. Wattage ratings are very misleading on many things as well. 32 watts can get quite loud on efficient speakers, but is it clean? That is where the Emotiva will shine. I expect you to be amazed as I was. I am ordering the upa-700 over the 500 at the end of the month for the bigger transformer and more capacitance, as I already have the fronts on the XPA-200, and I'll just use 5ch of the UPA-700.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 10:22:46 GMT -5
Doug, as others have suggested, perhaps you need to edit your Sig and remove all that whitespace, it really is quite annoying for those who are trying to help you...
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Post by jeanqc on Feb 11, 2013 12:03:38 GMT -5
Hi,
I'm usually just a reader on this forum because of my poor English, but I'll like to give you my advice. I'm sure both will be a nice upgrade to your Yamaha HT Receiver, but if your needs are for 5.1 right now, you should go for the UPA500. I own one of them and it's a great, great, good and tight sounding piece. Then after you will hear what the Emo's amps can do for you, later when your needs will change, you will consider other pieces of gear from Emotiva. Any other Emo stereo amp will be a serious sounding update and a great deal for the money..... And after hearing the neutral and dynamic little UPA500, your next target will probably be an other processor as the UMC200 to completely replace your Yamaha Receiver... This will bring you in an other very honorable league and you will achieve a much better potential of your amp(s). I also suggest to you to buy the Emotiva RCA Interconnects with the UPA500, you will need theses good and very decent cables... Good Interconnects are very important for unbalanced RCA connections.
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Post by maximumkahuna on Feb 11, 2013 13:17:19 GMT -5
I'm usually not one to suggest a big bump over the stated budget, but if you want to make the single biggest impact on your sound (short of changing your speakers) don't worry about the back channels and go for the XPA-3. 200wpc will give you the extra headroom to make your front speakers sing! Surround channels don't carry much information and the Yammy will handle them. Put your money in your front stage. IMHO you'd be better off buying a used XPA-3. There were a couple available on the Emporium. The warranty is transferable and Emo amps last almost forever. Or better yet, get an XPA-5 and start saving for an upgrade to your processor.
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Post by ausman on Feb 12, 2013 5:19:31 GMT -5
doug for the love of christ please go into your user options and modify your signature..
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Post by jeanqc on Feb 13, 2013 11:34:53 GMT -5
Yes, I'm fully agree with maxi... The XPA3 is your best option right now, specially at $599.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 9:40:30 GMT -5
I just got the UPA-700 ordered a few days ago. Bear in mind that the XPA-3 has a additional 3dB added to the gain stage over the XPA-200 and UPA series gear. Depends what the user is running for speakers and efficiency, as well as use. If you want it super loud and are not concerned about clarity, go for the higher gain stage. Same scenario with non efficient speakers. I had called Emotiva and asked some questions in the past, before I had ordered the XPA-200, and was advised to not get the XPA-2 for my fronts, after the guy looked up what speakers I had. He told me that with the patented design on the Infinity Primus 362 model, that he would go with a lower gain stage due to the frequency response accuracy in the tweeters and how efficient the speakers were (or it might give undesirable distortion in the tweeter). He did not upsell me, and told me that the XPA-200 would be my best choice. Go with what your use is, there is a good piece of a gear for certain uses and not other uses. Hopefully I did not open a can of worms in your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 3:04:23 GMT -5
Are you in the slammer by any chance? ( ;D ;D ;D) Hello from Issyquah.
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Post by knucklehead on Feb 16, 2013 3:14:30 GMT -5
Nice one Chuckie!
For those who don't know Monroe has a state prison located there.
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