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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 3:08:08 GMT -5
i think the way to do it is to make sure you have 2 sets of posts on each speaker..remove the binding plates on the speaker terminals. i think that no channels are tied together so i am guessing any channels will work. not sure if a y cable is needed to copy signals to the 2nd channel to make the biamp. i could be wrong but yes there are guides online. if you do not have two sets of posts per speaker you cannot biamp as the biamp setup is to power the drivers in the speaker seperately. hope this gives some idea..please check online first i would hate to aid in an accident. if you figure it out i would love to know the proper way as i will be bi amping in the near future.
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Post by dougc on Mar 15, 2013 21:19:50 GMT -5
Hi emowners I have an upa 700 and umc-1 am only using 5 channels so I'd like to biamp my front speakers. I didn't find it in the manual which channels to use for biamping. Are there any pictures/videos available as a guide? Thanks I will get back to you first thing in the morning
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Post by dougc on Mar 15, 2013 21:36:11 GMT -5
Also keep in mind, that most of the speaker components are universal amongst this 7.1 set of speakers, so I am not expecting too much variation, outside of cabinet size/resonance, etc. I was not expecting padding inside of the speakers, but the speakers have them . Again, you hit the nail on the head about the bookshelf sized tweeters, I am pretty darn sure they are the same part as the bookshelf speakers have, and even the center :S. I guess they really slapped things together for mass production and a low parts list, hence the prices that these were actually selling for. I liked these better than models costing near twice the price when I tested some, but had they leveled off this tweeter issue from the start, they would have had a much better and even sounding speakers (in my opinion). From the Emotiva amps, speaker placement away from the wall, decoupling, resistors, dB level trims adjusted, room dampening, I have probably had 4 to five different sets of speakers out of this single set, due to how the speakers change up in response haha . I love it! Thank you so much for this learning experience, anxious but happy to wait for the resistors to find what is held from me! haha. Keep up the good work, I am happy to help any way I can. I'll expand more tommarow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 21:42:48 GMT -5
thanks! i am going to look at some speakers tomorrow. may end up only tweaking the sides and rears and replacing the fronts and center. will keep you up to date. usps still acts like the package hasnt fotten to them but label has been printed. might call them tomorrow at usps
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 21:27:27 GMT -5
It looks like the shipment picked its speed back up. It should be here tomorrow by the looks of things. I actually made an arrangement, and am waiting for shipment of three brand new speakers, I found a way to be able to get the speakers really early and pay them off in time to somebody that I know. Now I have no idea whether to apply the resistors to all of the Infinity speakers, as I have the fronts and centers for sale at the current moment. I will not need to keep the resistors from the sale of whatever speaker they go into, but perhaps somebody would like the speakers with less shrill, and yet, that is complete preference (though it truly is harsh in the tweeters without). I am mentally not sure if I should put the resistors in or leave it. The speakers that I am getting, I did go listen to at magnolia but it was running on an integrated Denon (3313 I think), and inside a rather huge room, while kicking some great detail and clean high freq response. The speakers are Martin Logan Motion 30 center channel, Martin Logan Motion 40's as towers. The Motion 30 was not on site so I listened to the Motion 8 which is a lower model for the center. I ordered elsewhere near local, through a guy that I have great respect for in the audio business, who has helped me countless times, and because I wanted to repay him for his truly extra efforts. It looks like it will be around next weekend or so, that I will go pick them up (they have to be shipped first). Totally excited about the Martin Logans, while totally stupified about whether to put resistors in the speakers for sale, I think I will if I do not sell them before the resistors arrive, to enjoy it for myself and I truly think that anybody would enjoy the difference, it was much better to anybody but a deaf person. Each has taste, but shrill is not a part of taste haha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 20:45:02 GMT -5
I ended up not bothering with the resistors since I am selling at least 3, maybe 5 of the 7 speakers. Whatever is left for speakers afterwords, I may modify, to mix in with the Martin Logans. But for now It is a waste of connectors for me and my time for the to be solds. I have numerous projects around the place, and outside unfortunately. I just got a whole cabinet set face pulled off, and replaced yesterday, and then had to vacuum it all up today, no easy task haha. I had speakers and stuff to put back together. Stuff going on tomorrow, and waiting for a LAN cable, which I am going to end up burying. I have tons of other stuff, replacing hot water tank to miniature ordealio's. If I end up having time and a big enough want to tweak the leftover speakers I will. But for now it is backburner stuff. I really appreciate your help . It did make a huge difference but since I actually ended up selling them way before I thought was going to be necessary, it really shifted things up, amongst stuff external. If I work on them again, I will let you know the results. You taught me a lifelong trick, for that I am grateful! -Tyler
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Post by dougc on Mar 24, 2013 11:39:53 GMT -5
It looks like the shipment picked its speed back up. It should be here tomorrow by the looks of things. I actually made an arrangement, and am waiting for shipment of three brand new speakers, I found a way to be able to get the speakers really early and pay them off in time to somebody that I know. Now I have no idea whether to apply the resistors to all of the Infinity speakers, as I have the fronts and centers for sale at the current moment. I will not need to keep the resistors from the sale of whatever speaker they go into, but perhaps somebody would like the speakers with less shrill, and yet, that is complete preference (though it truly is harsh in the tweeters without). I am mentally not sure if I should put the resistors in or leave it. The speakers that I am getting, I did go listen to at magnolia but it was running on an integrated Denon (3313 I think), and inside a rather huge room, while kicking some great detail and clean high freq response. The speakers are Martin Logan Motion 30 center channel, Martin Logan Motion 40's as towers. The Motion 30 was not on site so I listened to the Motion 8 which is a lower model for the center. I ordered elsewhere near local, through a guy that I have great respect for in the audio business, who has helped me countless times, and because I wanted to repay him for his truly extra efforts. It looks like it will be around next weekend or so, that I will go pick them up (they have to be shipped first). Totally excited about the Martin Logans, while totally stupified about whether to put resistors in the speakers for sale, I think I will if I do not sell them before the resistors arrive, to enjoy it for myself and I truly think that anybody would enjoy the difference, it was much better to anybody but a deaf person. Each has taste, but shrill is not a part of taste haha. So I'm confused did you order the 40's and 30 ? Those are some nice speakers I have listened to them a few different times. Let me know how they sound in your place.
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Post by dougc on Mar 24, 2013 12:46:31 GMT -5
Tyler, sorry I haven't been around. I've been burried 6ft under with projects around here too. Then to top it all off my car broke down on my wife and kids the other day and had to have it towed home. It's irritating I've been a backyard mechanic for about 30+ yrs. I am the neighbor hood mechanic, and fix everyones vehicles no problem. But now I am stumped and can't figure out my own . I know I'll eventually figure it out but I have better things I could be doing . Anyway I'm glad I was able to help with your speakers. As far as adding the resistors knowing your selling them ,thats a hard call. I probably wouldn't bother. You don't know what type of system who ever buys them has. Take my Yamaha for example; it severly lacks in the top end. I have had my Paradigm surrounds for 13 yrs and pretty much never heard the tweeters, half the time I have to make sure their even working. But now with this new amp I actually have to add 1-2ohms of resistance to them possibly. I don't know, I have been so busy I haven't had any time to listen to the stereo or watch tv. It figures I buy a new amp then don't have time to even listen to it . My wife and kids are loving it (amp) though.Well gotta get busy on the car. I can hear the whip cracking, yea thats my wife. Talk to you later. Doug
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Post by roadrunner on Mar 24, 2013 16:00:05 GMT -5
Doug, reading your post reminded me of my hectic schedule from years past -- when it rains it pours. Something that usually helped me during times like that was to put on some of my favorite music and veg out for a few hours. Upon emerging from my music session I had a new clarity in how to handle the key "roadblocks" in my daily schedule. Some how, focusing on the music allowed my brain to concentrate on the important issues without being distracted by all the garbage competing for my attention. Maybe I am just an oddball, but you may want to try taking a music break and see if the diagnosis on your car's problem haven't become clearer. I can't tell you how many times this has worked for me. Even if it doesn't work for you, you will get to enjoy listening to the improvements the new amp brings to your system.
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Post by dougc on Mar 24, 2013 19:06:05 GMT -5
Doug, reading your post reminded me of my hectic schedule from years past -- when it rains it pours. Something that usually helped me during times like that was to put on some of my favorite music and veg out for a few hours. Upon emerging from my music session I had a new clarity in how to handle the key "roadblocks" in my daily schedule. Some how, focusing on the music allowed my brain to concentrate on the important issues without being distracted by all the garbage competing for my attention. Maybe I am just an oddball, but you may want to try taking a music break and see if the diagnosis on your car's problem haven't become clearer. I can't tell you how many times this has worked for me. Even if it doesn't work for you, you will get to enjoy listening to the improvements the new amp brings to your system. Thats funny, you must be a mind reader. Thats exactly what I did after my last post. Then I went to the auto parts store and bought 300.00 of parts. Came home, installed them, bamm it fired right up ;D. Then came a white cloud of smoke out the exhaust blown head or intake gasket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 19:23:13 GMT -5
dougc, correct about the Martin Logans, I am waiting for shipment to the dealer, Motion 40's for L and R, and the Motion 30 for a Center. I really love the Folded Motion Tweeter in them. I have not had much time to hear them but 10 minutes maybe, with some files on my phone from vinyl that I personally recorded, for comparison to what I have now. I was addicted . Sometime within the next few days, the speakers should be able to get picked up. Roadrunner is absolutely correct. The two things that work for me in those sad panda instances, is music, and weightlifting . Total mancave doggin' . Seclusion works wonders for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 19:25:07 GMT -5
dougc, that does not sound like a fun repair, pulling the engine apart and what not .
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Post by dougc on Mar 26, 2013 22:09:48 GMT -5
Tyler, did you get your Logan's yet ?? Well I ended up playing hookie from work yesterday, and tearing apart the whole top half and the front of the motor in my car. 97 Pontiac Grand Prix GT (3800 V6). Found the problem, upper and lower intake manifolds had blown and the engine was flooded with water. Got all the parts and will be rebuilding it this weekend. The nice part about it was it was a beautiful day and I open up the front windows and door and cranked my new amp all day long. Matallica, Ozzy, Skid Row, Sammy, Queensriche,ect. Doug
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 22:44:05 GMT -5
Not yet, I was hoping to have got them already. The guy is going to call the other location and see if it arrived there yet and get back to me in the morning. Ouch, well at least you know what to do to fix it huh? Oh yeah, it has been beautiful outside the last two days. Had snow a few days before that. I dug the lawn up yesterday and had the LAN cable put in for internet, no more wifi for my main pc. Speed went up ten fold on the net. Put a router up to that in here, and have crazy speeds in the apartment for my cell phone. I will let you know when I get the Martin Logans. I actually blew the tweeter in my Infinity center channel yesterday doing a reverb/delay test, the tweeter must have pulled too much wattage for the high frequencies in the spectrum :S.
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Post by dougc on Mar 28, 2013 19:33:37 GMT -5
Got them Logan's yet? Thats cool about the internet, and sucks about the tweeter. I don't think that one is available anymore. I think parts express had it on a closeout clearance about a year ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 19:41:43 GMT -5
Not yet :S. I was told a few different things for dates already, so I have it on the backburner, I have other stuff to do before that is even on my mind. I have some audio equipment to set up at the house for my Dad later this week. I am told Monday on the speakers, but I would still need to go pick them up so I am not sure if they will be there on site or at the other location that day. I told him to just let me know when they are on site at his location and I will try to figure out a time then. As for the tweeter, I just wont have this center channel for sale. The speakers still exist, by a new model number. The one I have is pc350, the new on is pc351. Really kind of a screwy model change because the front fascia is black, the rest is the same, even the drivers are the same color as mine, so it is kind of goofy. I have no idea why the change, the center speaker looks atrocious online with the opposing color tones of the silver drivers vs black everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2013 23:03:17 GMT -5
I am going to follow up about the Martin Logans tomorrow. I was told they were supposed to arrive today, blah blah ill skip the details. I will give you my impression in here with them and the difference compared to what I have if you were interested. I do have a favor to ask you since you have an Emotiva amp as well . When you turn on your UPA model does it have red LED then a few seconds later it kicks to blue and all works correctly? My XPA-200 does it but not my UPA-700, which has my mind pondering. An ease of mind would be great haha. When you get to it anyways. I had my Denon rear preouts not work all of a sudden, they were not sounding blown, just quiet like they were not amped in the preamp or something. I eventually said eff it, and tried running the rears from the Denon itself, that worked. I thought about my layout in the room, and completely redid everything minus my tv placement. I have more space, it looks much better, and I can even access any component in here from the side without having to pull units out, or bend over funky for extended periods of time. I also managed to keep power cables away from speaker wires and interconnects better. When I started it up, the rear channels were working from the Emotiva. I knew the Denon was the issue through trial and error, but I think something glitched earlier on and kept the rear preouts from functioning, and attaching to the power section in the Denon may have triggered it to function again. Total relief! Anyways, all is great on the setup, just waiting for the ML's, and have been messing with Audyssey, and really like it. I normally like an original sound with no processing garble except for upsampling already digital files, however this made perfect sense of why to actually use it. It attempts to give a flat response back due to room acoustics, however yeah...room acoustics should be done beforehand for better results. If you are not familiar, it is worth a read. Installed a Marantz AV8801 for family over the weekend, updated it, got it completely set up top to bottom including audyssey, sounds amazing at that place . MultEQ www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour?page=3Dynamic EQ www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/dynamic-eq
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Post by dougc on Apr 3, 2013 0:03:14 GMT -5
Tyler my UPA goes from amber in stand-by , to blue when powered on. Probably not even a 1/2 sec. between. Probably had a wire shorting out or a stress fracture in one of your wires causing it to short out internally. Well got my car all back togther over the weekend. Had some problems at first but ironed them out quickly. Had to reprogram my computer after the rebuild. Took it around the neighborhood a couple times as a trial run. Then hit the highway, wholy crap I hit 110 in a 1/4 mile. Not bad for a almost stock engine with 250,000 miles on it. Anyway gotta go 4:00am comes early. Later, Doug
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 0:27:03 GMT -5
Oh the ECU? Nice job! Awesome that you got it all back up and running smooth, and holy cow that isn't bad for a 1/4 mile . Okay so my UPA must act like yours does. It is amber at standby, kicks on into blue and then its already working. Both XPA-200's I have had including the first one that failed, go from amber standby, to blue lit, the LED per channel light up red, and then go to blue and everything kicks on. It must just be different with how the XPA-200 functions. I just wanted to clarify on the UPA series, and it sounds like we are exactly the same, and the XPA just does that other red LED before working as it is. No more stress on that . I have no idea what is going on with the Martin Logans, I will try to keep you posted. For now I am coping cd's to WAV on my pc, to use the Denon media stream with it for music to avoid the pc from generating feedback from now on (didn't have an issue but less components can be better). My vinyl is at 24-bit 96khz and the Denon plays it .
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Post by Dark Ranger on Apr 3, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5
tiwer1,
To give you another confirmation, my UPA-500 and XPA-200 operate the same way.
UPA-500: Standby (LEDs off) to ON (LEDs blue) immediately
XPA-200: Standby (LEDs off) to Power Up (LEDs red) for a couple of seconds to ON (LEDs blue)
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