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Post by Porscheguy on May 28, 2013 20:00:27 GMT -5
Thats fine, but that update is 6 months old.... Can there be no progress? What has happened in the last 6 months? Are we close? This year? Next year? The silence is deafening.... Ed, look I'm not trying to be mean or apologetic for Big Dan...but you guys missed the point of me posting Big Dan's last public post on the matter. Read it again. He was pretty clear he's done with the interim updates, because he can't win either way. He told people he was fine with them moving on. Yes...that was six months ago. But why are people shocked/angry Big Dan hasnt provided an update in 6 months...when he said 6 months ago he wasn't going to update anyone anymore?!?!?! I really don't get it, guys. Explain the logic to me, please. Unless he changes his new policy back to discussing products in development, I suspect the next time he talks XMC will be when its in production and he can tell people when it will begin shipping. Folks, it's a friggin pre/pro. It's not the end of the world. If you don't like the silence or lack of a ship date, then take Dan's advice and move on. It really IS that simple. Why do so many people get all riled up about this subject? If you are happy with the silence, good. I'm not you and I have a right to express my feelings and I'm not alone. Why would anyone even participate in this thread if your satisfied or don't care? That, to me is odd. These threads always descend into flames because someone always comes along to tell you you're wrong for asking. All we are doing is having a civil discussion. So when do you cry uncle? Lets fast forward to say the end of 2015, and still no pre pro or any explanation as to why its so delayed. Is it OK to ask then? Do you know what I was told when I was in Franklin last summer? I didn't think so. If some forum members don't want to have this discussion then they don't have to participate. There are many threads I don't participate in because I don't agree with some, others are boring or just plain ridiculous. Please don't tell me what I can ask or say and I'll do the same for you. I'm not fighting with you I just hate the thread police that bash you for not agreeing with them. No forum member should ever crash a thread telling you that are wrong simply because they don't agree with the subject or your position. Please respect my right to participate here. You're right, its just a pre pro and it does not dominate my life in any way. It's just a hobby which is why I simply don't understand why some people just can't agree to disagree.....
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 20:11:10 GMT -5
My man, well put^^^^^^^
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Post by danr on May 28, 2013 20:12:03 GMT -5
Trust me, I'm not riled up. I am totally removed from the situation, as I am waiting for the RMC (see, it can always get worse...I'll be waiting longer than you guys! ;D). But from the outside it reads like this (cliff notes version): Big Dan - "I cant win. No more updates until its ready to ship." Emo Fans - "that was 6 months ago where are the updates?"
Really, thats what it looks like. I have NOT disrespected your right to participate AT ALL, but I do think it was disingenuous to cherry pick a post from Big Dan that was clearly out of date when he had an update on the topic in November. I'm just merely trying to point you to the obvious. It's not the "thread police" either. You are a bit over the top with the XMC-1...thats how this all reads. But carry on, don't let me stop you.
Let me be blunt and ask you this. Given that Big Dan said he wasnt providing any more updates...what exactly are some of you trying to achieve by asking for an update? There's gotta be some end game or goal here. Big Dan's last post was about as DEFINITIVE as it gets, and is not really open to interpretation. From the outside, it really looks like some of you "just don't get it". I'm sorry, but thats really what it looks like.
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Post by creimes on May 28, 2013 22:54:41 GMT -5
I don't get it.... ?...what are we talking about again... ...lolololol....had to add some humour
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Post by chaosrv on May 28, 2013 22:57:02 GMT -5
I don't know about you but I was talking about Einstein & Justin Bieber.
Never thought I would ever type that sentence in my life!
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Post by creimes on May 28, 2013 22:58:26 GMT -5
Oh man and you just went and done ittt!!!!!!!
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Post by visiter555 on May 29, 2013 7:08:38 GMT -5
Porsche, Interesting that the link to the XMC-1 "spec" (which were no longer "the" spec) is dead. You didn't mention the e-mails sent to all the people who signed up on the second (or was it third) pre-order list. Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:09:56 -0500 (EST) From: Emotiva Audio <no-reply@wufoo.com> To: Reply-to: reservations@emotiva.com Subject: XMC-1 Reservation Form 1 unnamed text/html 3.51 KB [ Download Attachment ] This email is to confirm that we received the reservation for your XMC-1(s)! A representative from Emotiva will be contacting you shortly with more order details.
Thank you, Your friends at Emotivafollowed by - Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:26:17 -0500 From: Janna Riggs <janna@emotiva.com> To: Janna Riggs <janna@emotiva.com> Subject: XMC-1 Update 1.2 unnamed text/html 4.16 KB [ Download Attachment ] Hello, Thank you for your XMC-1 reservation. You'll receive an email update with the exact summer release date in the near future. We appreciate your continued support and patience!
Sincerely, Your friends at Emotiva V I have a problem with the statement We are Owed that... Listen we are not owed anything. Big Dan runs his business as he sees fit. We are consumers. We may want information, but we are not owed a darn thing. Emotiva is a business that sells product when it is available. We are consumers who may or may not buy the product. Simple as that. We don't owe Emotiva anything and visa versa. Fact of the matter is Emotiva used to be more transparent. They got hit over the head a few too many times for missing dates and not meeting expectations... HT processors are very complicated beasts. Integrating TACT is probably not the easiest either. That plus it has to be darn near perfect or people will revolt. I have seen development of Pre-Pros take down a couple of companies because they become money pits... See Acurus and B&K. How would you feel if you bought a $6k or $7k processor that wasn't quite finished yet and before you got your free upgrade the company went out of business? See B&K Ref 70 processor. Dan has said many times. It will be done when it is done. He wants it to be done as soon as it can be. He is personally OK if you have waited to long and decide to go elsewhere. These threads only work to make Emotiva more secluded and share less. Good Luck to all in their decisions. Well I do not agree. Myself and many others have been loyal customers of Emotiva and as a loyal customer I expect some sort of communication seeing that I based many of my buying decisions on information given to me last year that I thought was correct. You forget that Dan said this product would ship by Q3 2012. He said that. All I want is an update. In my view something must be really wrong seeing that I looked at a working prototype last summer in Franklin. I believe in the March podcast it was revealed that everyone had "signed off" on the project and production meetings were next.... It's not like this is some clandestine project. Its been much ballyhooed for several years... You can't have it both ways... From January 2012: Hi everyone,
Well, it's the end of the month and at long last we are ready to officially unveil the new and improved XMC-1 in all of its glory!
The XMC-1 is going to be a phenomenal product and I believe you will find its features and capabilities exceed your expectations on all counts!
Lonnie and I are very pleased with the progress of the new unit and the way it is turning out. I must tell you that this product represents the work of a very talented design and development team. I'm just the circus master, and the real credit goes to my team. It goes without saying the the entire Emotiva team has made this and all other Emotiva product a reality and helped take Emotiva to it's current position, but as it relates to this particular project, I must pause and recognize some very special people who are at the heart of this effort.
In particular Cathy and I want to personally thank Lonnie Vaughn for his unwavering support and tireless effort (and his incredible product knowledge and engineering savvy) over these many years we've worked together. Ray Dennison our senior engineering manager and DSP guru for his steady hand at the helm of this project. Eric Tchonfene' our talented young digital systems engineer; he keeps our thinking up to date and let's us old farts know whats' really happening in the world of digital goodies!!
To my good friend and mentor John Lentz, thank you for opening doors for me that would have otherwise been closed. And thank you for opening my eyes to the possibilities all around us!
Also, I must thank another very important individual whom we are privileged to be working with; Dr. Radomir Bozovic of Tact Audio. To say we are privileged to be associated with this gentleman, his company, and his technology is an understatement. Wow!
And most of all I'd like to thank you, my fantastic friends and clients for your unwavering support in Emotiva and for keeping the faith with us as we strive to do something very special in the world of audio.
I hope you find our efforts satisfactory.
Here you go!
emotiva.com/xmc1/spec_sheet.pdf
Sincerely, Big Dan
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Post by deewan on May 29, 2013 8:28:51 GMT -5
Why do so many people get all riled up about this subject? If you are happy with the silence, good. I'm not you and I have a right to express my feelings and I'm not alone. Why would anyone even participate in this thread if your satisfied or don't care? That, to me is odd. These threads always descend into flames because someone always comes along to tell you you're wrong for asking. All we are doing is having a civil discussion. I care. And I participate. I don't mind the silence because I know there is nobody, and I mean nobody, that wants the release of the XMC-1 to happen more than Big Dan and the good folks at Emotiva. As Big Dan said, it will be ready when it is ready. You have every right to post comment after comment asking for answers, but please realize when I make my posts, and others make similar posts, it isn't so much that we are telling you are crazy for asking. It is because the end all, be all communication from the man himself has told you there will be no further communication until it is 100% ready. While it might be nice to know the cause of the delay is the reduced widget inventory and that has slowed production. If there is no idea of when inventory levels may recover, knowing the cause does not help you buy the XMC-1 or know the release date. It simply gives you a reason for your frustration. And maybe that is what some people (I am generalizing here) want. A reason to blame for their frustration. Well, sorry folks. Big Dan isn't going to give you one. So when do you cry uncle? Lets fast forward to say the end of 2015, and still no pre pro or any explanation as to why its so delayed. Is it OK to ask then? Do you know what I was told when I was in Franklin last summer? I didn't think so. If some forum members don't want to have this discussion then they don't have to participate. There are many threads I don't participate in because I don't agree with some, others are boring or just plain ridiculous. Please don't tell me what I can ask or say and I'll do the same for you. I'm not fighting with you I just hate the thread police that bash you for not agreeing with them. No forum member should ever crash a thread telling you that are wrong simply because they don't agree with the subject or your position. Please respect my right to participate here. You're right, its just a pre pro and it does not dominate my life in any way. It's just a hobby which is why I simply don't understand why some people just can't agree to disagree..... None of us know what you were told in Franklin last year. But you also need to realize things are dynamic and situations can change. Obviously things have changed and what you were told in Franklin last year no longer holds true. Which is why I find it funny when people continue to ask questions for new answers. They need to realize that those new answers could change just as easily. But again, perhaps that would give people an outlet for their frustration. It is ok to ask questions about the release date or causes for the delays. But at least for me, when I reply to threads like this, it isn't a sign of me thinking you are crazy for asking. It is an attempt to remind you that an answer to why you are not getting answers has been given. There will be no communication until the release is upon us. Asking over and over for Christmas to come early every day of the year won't make Dec 25th come any sooner. It will make the days waiting seem longer. I tend to sit back, enjoy the days leading up to Christmas, and before I know it, I am unwrapping presents.
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Post by kse on May 29, 2013 9:26:16 GMT -5
When is Emofest 2013? I would think that there would have to be some sort of info shared at that time.....or possibly even offered for purchase.
i can't imagine Emotiva letting all of those deticated fans come out in the flesh and not speaking of the XMC-1. My guess is that's when the next "update" will be. Whatever that update will be, who knows?
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Post by LCSeminole on May 29, 2013 10:12:20 GMT -5
EmoFest has in the past been on the Saturday & Sunday of Labor Day weekend. Labor Day 2013 is Sept 2, so I'm guessing here and if past EmoFest's are any indicator, then day 1, (Tech Day) will be Aug 31 and day 2, and (Family Day) will be Sept 1.
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Post by ossif on May 29, 2013 13:58:02 GMT -5
Summing the XMC-1 tragedy I think we could say that the XMC-1 project is not S.M.A.R.T. and the project management qualities for at least this project missed the one or other realistic planning component ;D. I would suggest some professional help in these areas could prevent further image damage to the brand.
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Post by avaddikt on May 29, 2013 15:08:01 GMT -5
I am getting over the recent UMC update 'blues'.. glad I am not waiting on the XMC. I don't know if I could handle aggravation in stereo.
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Post by darien87 on May 29, 2013 15:53:48 GMT -5
I would like some sort of update as well. I'm fine with my UMC-1 in the time being but it still has some quirks so I would like to replace it and the XMC is what I was planning on getting.
I realize Dan said there would be no updates but I and I think the others that are asking are thinking that because that was so long ago maybe Dan might have changed his mind. Guess not though.
Not that I feel we are owed anything but a little info would be nice.
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Post by tknice on May 29, 2013 16:04:49 GMT -5
I already spent the money I had saved for the XMC... went for a nice Celestron 8SE goto telescope.
Oh well, hopefully I'll be ready again once it's released. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 16:14:38 GMT -5
We ALL agree that Emo makes very good products for VERY good prices. And I think we all agree that they are good people who are doing their level-best to bring those products to market as expeditiously as possible.
But I also think that *most* of us would agree that Emo has screwed the pooch more than a few times when it comes to managing customer expectations - products get announced and *never* see the light of day (just where the heck are those DSP-controlled subwoofers that were announced 4 years ago?), the UMC-1 roll-out debacle, the UMC-200 update debacle, the XPA-1L snafus, and, of course, the XMC-1's never-ending story.
The fact that Emo's customers are such a loyal and rabid bunch is the only thing that has really saved their bacon. Despite Big Dan's statement that no further info. will be provided until he's ready to do so, I think it would be very much in their best interest to give us an update as to where the product stands and his best guess on a *realistic* release date. It is to be hoped that this coincides with the upcoming EmoFest.
But the lack of *any* information is causing even some of their staunchest supporters to become dis-enchanted - and that is never a good thing...
-RW-
PS: BD, I am *loving* the XPA-5 you sent me!! You're a stand-up guy and I will continue to do business with you as long as you have high-value products that meet my needs and budget!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 16:16:22 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^ don't worry, by the time it comes out, I'm sure you'll have saved 10x the price of it.
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Post by ossif on May 29, 2013 17:04:49 GMT -5
We ALL agree that Emo makes very good products for VERY good prices. And I think we all agree that they are good people who are doing their level-best to bring those products to market as expeditiously as possible. But I also think that *most* of us would agree that Emo has screwed the pooch more than a few times when it comes to managing customer expectations - products get announced and *never* see the light of day (just where the heck are those DSP-controlled subwoofers that were announced 4 years ago?), the UMC-1 roll-out debacle, the UMC-200 update debacle, the XPA-1L snafus, and, of course, the XMC-1's never-ending story. The fact that Emo's customers are such a loyal and rabid bunch is the only thing that has really saved their bacon. Despite Big Dan's statement that no further info. will be provided until he's ready to do so, I think it would be very much in their best interest to give us an update as to where the product stands and his best guess on a *realistic* release date. It is to be hoped that this coincides with the upcoming EmoFest. But the lack of *any* information is causing even some of their staunchest supporters to become dis-enchanted - and that is never a good thing... -RW- PS: BD, I am *loving* the XPA-5 you sent me!! You're a stand-up guy and I will continue to do business with you as long as you have high-value products that meet my needs and budget! That is exactly what I think too. However, I will be more precise about the update I would wish to hear from Dan, and clearly this is not another "coming soon" statement but a very detailed update on problems preventing delivery. The perception of time and the term "coming soon" seems to be another one in Franklin than in the rest of the world and that would need clarification as well. By the way: this hobby involves a lot of emotions, everyone that has followed a discussion pro contra cable sound needs to have realized this by now. It is further more only natural that when expectation are not meet, frustration arises. And it seems to be very high by now, otherwise I couldn't explain how someone could have come on the very silly idea to post to apparently everyone this very fraudulent mail only some days ago.
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Post by peterk on May 29, 2013 17:09:08 GMT -5
"^^^^^^^^ don't worry, by the time it comes out, I'm sure you'll have saved 10x the price of it." So I should be able to easily afford the RMC by then!!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 17:52:00 GMT -5
^^^^^^^ by the time the RMC comes out, you would've saved 20x the price. If it ever does come out!!
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Post by autocrat on May 29, 2013 18:09:26 GMT -5
Summing the XMC-1 tragedy I think we could say that the XMC-1 project is not S.M.A.R.T. and the project management qualities for at least this project missed the one or other realistic planning component ;D. I would suggest some professional help in these areas could prevent further image damage to the brand. Every project since the beginning of projects has ended up running differently to the original expectations. There are some obvious communication issues, at least to the potential customer base, and there are some obvious quality control issues (not necessarily with the XMC, but generally), but to suggest that there is an issue with the project management is drawing a conclusion from information that you simply don't have.
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