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Post by srrndhound on May 19, 2013 21:50:22 GMT -5
We'd rather keep the price where it is, and spend the money we have on stuff you can see and hear when you are actually using it. I'd like to see and hear fixes for the really basic issues that prevent my enjoyment of the UMC-200. Cannot EQ the back speakers, cannot use the headphone output, cannot apply PLIIx to DDEX programs... And for some reason now the video no longer works. When I turn on the Oppo BDP-93, the Oppo screen comes on perfectly, then some sort of additional handshake takes place a few seconds later and the screen becomes heavily magenta. The DVR has the same issue. I'm using exactly the same monitor and cables and source units as before and never saw this happen. I did all the usual reconnects and power cycles. Nothing clears it. The UMC's menu screen looks fine, though. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Post by davep on May 19, 2013 21:58:25 GMT -5
The magenta issue sounds similar to the issue that was listed in the problems spreadsheet associated (issue number 51) with WDTV Live players (I experienced this also, except that the WD TV Live seemed to be green, rather than magenta). I found that switching to the input first, then switching on the WDTV Live resulted in a proper colour handshake. Good Luck. Still waiting on the promised changelog before I try and update.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 19, 2013 22:02:40 GMT -5
We'd rather keep the price where it is, and spend the money we have on stuff you can see and hear when you are actually using it. I'd like to see and hear fixes for the really basic issues that prevent my enjoyment of the UMC-200. Cannot EQ the back speakers, cannot use the headphone output, cannot apply PLIIx to DDEX programs... And for some reason now the video no longer works. When I turn on the Oppo BDP-93, the Oppo screen comes on perfectly, then some sort of additional handshake takes place a few seconds later and the screen becomes heavily magenta. The DVR has the same issue. I'm using exactly the same monitor and cables and source units as before and never saw this happen. I did all the usual reconnects and power cycles. Nothing clears it. The UMC's menu screen looks fine, though. Has anyone else experienced this? I've successfully used a BDP-83 and BDP-93 without a hitch, as for the DPLIIx to DDEX, what disc are you playing. I'll try and find a DDEX track and give it try.
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Post by mjrtoo on May 19, 2013 22:43:26 GMT -5
The magenta issue sounds similar to the issue that was listed in the problems spreadsheet associated (issue number 51) with WDTV Live players (I experienced this also, except that the WD TV Live seemed to be green, rather than magenta). I found that switching to the input first, then switching on the WDTV Live resulted in a proper colour handshake. Good Luck. Still waiting on the promised changelog before I try and update. Funny, all my video issues, including the green WD TV was fixed with the update.
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Post by pips on May 19, 2013 23:31:31 GMT -5
You know LCSeminole, I also noticed with everything else equal my habitual listening level is achieved with only level 36 versus 50-55 before. Also as mentioned by doc1963 the emoq 2 is right on this time on all my 5.1 Channel . Mel Noticing this as well for some inputs. I use optical 1 for stereo from my Mac Mini. "Loud" used to be around 47. Now if I have it over 30 it's a bit much. However, for my Tivo, I use HDMI1 for everything, and those seem to be the same. 42, unless a window is open and there is noise, then it's 50. Don't really mind, just something I noticed. Everything appears to sound a LOT better now, however. Listening to movies has me doing a double take on how good it sounds now, and listening to music has an eyebrow cocked. It all sounds impossibly good.
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Post by hoffdano on May 19, 2013 23:33:05 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my experience. I started with the official instructions. I used a relatively short cable (4.5 ft.?). Win7 64 bit Dell laptop. I booted the system before downloading the updater. Following the instructions: File 1 loaded first try File 2 failed first two three tries (#3 stopped at 36.5%). I moved the cable into a different USB port. Started again and it worked. File 3 loaded first try File 4 loaded first try Followed the rest of the instructions and it seems all is well. The things I have noticed so far: 1. phase is "OK" on all speakers 2. distances are very close to what I expect except left surround (but it is mounted on a pillar while right surround is on a wall) 3. the center channel is noticeably louder. I do not write down the previous settings but the difference is clear. 4. sub seems louder 5. OSD much nicer looking Some things that appear to be true but I am not 100% sure: - The hotkeys are more reassignable than before. Still testing this. - It seems to switch inputs more consistently (less flashing), especially with the DVR - Volume at power on - Just a few comments on the Update process....from the perspective of a person in the "enterprise" software business since 1989 and a long time A/V and electronics hobbyist: Although the process worked for me, it seems crazy complicated compared to updating BIOS on a computer, firmware on a router, or updating Android on my Samsung phone. The requirement to power off, then on, and quitting the updater app each go-round is nutty. That the process is sensitive to the USB cable is silly. Why was the update distributed in RAR format instead of self-executing single file? RAR is a very nerdy and non-mainstream choice. I am new to Emotiva. But this should really work just like it does on my $129 Sony Blu-Ray player. Select "check for updates" and it should just download and install update over the internet. It should also preserve most settings in the UMC200 - at least those that require customization (like input settings). The UMC-200 sounds terrific. And I really like the unit. But these updates are just crazy finicky.
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Post by melm on May 20, 2013 0:04:14 GMT -5
Maybe it's me, but since the update I'm having some issues trying to get Dolby PLII to work. I have a 7.1 system, and before the update I could take any 5.1 disk and run it in PLII mode to get quasi 7.1
That's not working now, on the same disks that worked fine.. It may be some defaults are different, but if anybody has some ideas I'd be thrilled. The 1979 Star Trek Blu-ray is an example of one that used to work and now my options are Direct, Stereo, and All Stereo.
Thanks
Mel
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Post by locomotive282 on May 20, 2013 0:10:35 GMT -5
Just finished the update. MacBook Pro, Win 7 64 bit, Bootcamp 5.02, Monoprice 6 foot USB Cable. Used the official method and it went through flawless. I want to thank Emotiva for making me feel like an electrical engineer for about 15 minutes, can't wait until the next update. For you guys out there having problems I feel for you hopefully Emotiva will come out with a OSX Version of the installer. Using the putrid "operating system" windows at home makes me feel nauseous.
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Post by srrndhound on May 20, 2013 0:14:08 GMT -5
That's not working now, on the same disks that worked fine.. It may be some defaults are different, but if anybody has some ideas I'd be thrilled. The 1979 Star Trek Blu-ray is an example of one that used to work and now my options are Direct, Stereo, and All Stereo. If you are talking about this Star Trek collection www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-Original-Motion-Picture-Collection-Blu-ray/4190/ then indeed you cannot apply PLIIx because they are remixed into 7.1 already. If these are not the discs you mean, please advise.
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Post by melm on May 20, 2013 0:28:09 GMT -5
No, I'm talking about the 2009 reboot with Pine. It's a 5.1 TruHD. Also, the film Sunshine used to play in PLII but now is 5.1 only. I'm sure a lot of my defaults have changed, but I'd like to have the features I had before. Could be user error, could be changes to,the firmware, but with no change log it's pretty hard to tell. Thanks.
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Post by srrndhound on May 20, 2013 0:53:14 GMT -5
I've successfully used a BDP-83 and BDP-93 without a hitch, as for the DPLIIx to DDEX, what disc are you playing. I'll try and find a DDEX track and give it try. Good luck finding a disc with the DDEX flag. Dolby wisely stopped using the flag back around 2001 IIRC. Even before that is was not used consistently. Caused a lot of confusion for users and decoders. So it's not like it is a daily issue for me the way the EQ is (missing in the back speakers), or the headphone output (a disaster). But every once in a while I encounter an EX flag and I still want to use PLIIx because the mono surrounds in EX collapse the sound field too much. For my tests today I used a Dolby test DVD, "Explore Our World" which has some very handy test signals not found anywhere else. I raise the issue for Emo to address because it is so simple to fix. Just display the flag, don't react to it. I guess now that I know I can successfully load the FW, I will tempt fate and do it again to see if I can get a better result for the video. I'll also try it with a different monitor just to see if that matters.
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Post by srrndhound on May 20, 2013 0:59:12 GMT -5
No, I'm talking about the 2009 reboot with Pine. Ok. So what's in 1979?? No matter. Are you 100% sure you activated the rear speakers? Did each of the 7 speakers make test noise? If so, try it with the video display disconnected in case it is involved with some CEC or EDID thingy.
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Post by melm on May 20, 2013 1:11:49 GMT -5
Sorry, the 2009. Yes, all speakers are fine. Test disc and internal EMO tones. You can't even select PLIIx with the remote. Just direct, Stereo and All Stereo.
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Post by DeathMetal on May 20, 2013 5:08:57 GMT -5
Hi guys,
Trying to do the update, following the PDF instructions step for step. Instructions indicate that i need to wait for the UMC 200 to complete the initial loading process, this has been running for the last 20 min.... I suspect that there is an issue? Any suggestions?
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Post by davidas6350 on May 20, 2013 5:19:27 GMT -5
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Post by DeathMetal on May 20, 2013 5:26:17 GMT -5
So even though it just says loading i should still go ahead with the suggested update. I have tried that method and it installed module 2 & 3, we then had a power failure unexpectedly which happend during the installation process. Now when i which the UMC on it just say loading................ and it has not booted back up for 30 min now. Can i just try doing the update even though loading is still running?
Hope i am making sense
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Post by hemster on May 20, 2013 5:41:00 GMT -5
So even though it just says loading i should still go ahead with the suggested update. I have tried that method and it installed module 2 & 3, we then had a power failure unexpectedly which happend during the installation process. Now when i which the UMC on it just say loading................ and it has not booted back up for 30 min now. Can i just try doing the update even though loading is still running? Hope i am making sense ^That's precisely the situation I was in. I ran the update with all modules checked (ensure that Re-program radio button is selected). Check this thread for DenisT's suggested method as several folks have had luck with it.
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Post by DeathMetal on May 20, 2013 5:54:33 GMT -5
Hi Hemster, Should i not wait for the unit to stop loading? I tried Denist's method initially, it only loaded the first three modules and failed on module 4 twice then the power failure. Now when i restart the UMC it just stays in loading mode (45min now). Umc seems to be stuck!! in loading? Is there no way to set it back to factory default?
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Post by hemster on May 20, 2013 6:00:59 GMT -5
Hi Hemster, Should i not wait for the unit to stop loading? I tried Denist's method initially, it only loaded the first three modules and failed on module 4 twice then the power failure. Now when i restart the UMC it just stays in loading mode (45min now). Umc seems to be stuck!! in loading? Is there no way to set it back to factory default? It is **stuck** in a "Loading...." loop and will not come back. Turn it off at the back. Try loading all 4 at the same time (that did the trick for me). If that doesn't work, then 1 at a time like the PDF says.
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Post by doc1963 on May 20, 2013 6:10:07 GMT -5
Hi Hemster, Should i not wait for the unit to stop loading? I tried Denist's method initially, it only loaded the first three modules and failed on module 4 twice then the power failure. Now when i restart the UMC it just stays in loading mode (45min now). Umc seems to be stuck!! in loading? Is there no way to set it back to factory default? No, it will never come out of the "loading" mode. That's the whole problem that a lot of us has encountered. The ONLY way to recover is to shut it down (flip the power switch off) and load the 4th file first (using the "dentist" method). Then, go back and load the first three files (all thee at one time).
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