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Post by monkumonku on Jun 17, 2014 17:33:42 GMT -5
The heck with all this theory and nuance stuff...I want to know...what happened to the lovely flower grouping that was between the speakers in the last photo of boom's place? Mark That's not a flower grouping, that was a room treatment.
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Post by redog on Jun 17, 2014 17:48:04 GMT -5
The heck with all this theory and nuance stuff...I want to know...what happened to the lovely flower grouping that was between the speakers in the last photo of boom's place? Mark That's not a flower grouping, that was a room treatment. Spoken in true WAF. You should run for office with those kind of talk around abilities.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 17, 2014 17:55:06 GMT -5
The heck with all this theory and nuance stuff...I want to know...what happened to the lovely flower grouping that was between the speakers in the last photo of boom's place? Mark That's not a flower grouping, that was a room treatment. Shhh his wife may hear you
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Post by garbulky on Jun 17, 2014 17:57:30 GMT -5
I never feel patronized by you, and even if I disagree, I'm very interested in your opinions. That disclaimer aside: I agree that physics are hard (very, very hard) to overcome. Getting pipe organ fundamentals in a bathroom is a perfectly good example. I can do it, though - headphones! LOL Using your advice, though, would lead to a never-ending application of room treatment. Yes it sounds better now, would more panels/traps improve it? Add more. The latest round of panels/traps did nothing to improve the sound; is it because I have to many, or not yet enough? Add more, ad infinitum! As has been pointed out here, we'll never have a good reference. Why? We weren't there at the original recording. Even if we WERE, the original recording was made in a different room with different acoustics. The acoustics of the listening room will ALWAYS be overlaid on the acoustics of the original recording venue. The only way around it is to listen in an anechoic chamber (which I don't want my living room to become). I reject the theory that the subwoofer makes the room sound asymmetrical. Why? Because the asymmetry was there prior to adding it. If I disconnected it, the room would still sound asymmetrical. Would more room treatments & bass traps help? Maybe, but maybe not. There is also the issue of aesthetics (Notice, Mr. Robinson, that I did NOT use the term "WAF!" LOL). Once I begin installing huge corner traps, I no longer have a "living room," I have that anechoic chamber again. Everything is a compromise. Some things may never be perfect unless I could BUILD a listening room from scratch. I can't so it is what it is. What I might be willing to do is install some ceiling panels. Other than that (which I'm hoping would be suitably inconspicuous), I'm about done with room treatments. As to the "clearing up of the upper bass frequencies," I'm hoping that the DSPeaker electronic EQ device will achieve that. If not, the question will be whether I can live with it as is or if I want to spend another pile of money on a second sub. I can answer that last question - I don't (at least, not at this time). Actually, the bass doesn't much bother me now. The added extension that the sub provides is a big enough thrill that I'm less picky about other things. Time may change that, but for now, I'm pretty satisfied. Cheers! Boom I agree that sound is a never ending quest. The question is when is one satisfied I've been hunting around for some music to show you which I think would sound great on your system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 19:52:04 GMT -5
Great thread. Thanks guys.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 17, 2014 21:09:42 GMT -5
The heck with all this theory and nuance stuff...I want to know...what happened to the lovely flower grouping that was between the speakers in the last photo of boom's place? Mark Autumn colors in June! Are you a barbarian? LOL I think I have some summer foliage to put out somewhere. Boom
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Post by creimes on Jun 17, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
I really like reading what you two are up to over there but for me maybe I'm glad I don't notice upper and lower bass frequencies lacking/not lacking or rolled off treble or unrolled treble heh, I just really enjoy having the music playing through a decent system that makes me feel I'm not missing too much , it already gives me goose bumps and raises my arm hair
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2014 8:29:09 GMT -5
Hi creimes - It's an affliction. Sooner or later (as with all my obsessions) it will pass. At that time, I'll, like you, just enjoy the music. I DO enjoy the music now, but I'm also having fun "critically listening" for the nuances.
Boomzilla
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Post by creimes on Jun 18, 2014 10:24:15 GMT -5
Hi creimes - It's an affliction. Sooner or later (as with all my obsessions) it will pass. At that time, I'll, like you, just enjoy the music. I DO enjoy the music now, but I'm also having fun "critically listening" for the nuances. Boomzilla Totally cool man, not saying it in a bad way...I hope I didn't come across that way , for me personally I don't think I understand it enough to delve that deep into it haha, I can tell when it sounds good but that's about it Chad
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2014 10:34:36 GMT -5
No issues at all, Chad - We know each other well enough that you'd have to WORK to offend me! LOL I enjoy your sense of humor & always look forward to your posts.
My personality is such that I get REALLY involved with a hobby for a period of time, & then move on to other things. I "circulate" between my hobbies and they never bore me. Everyone's preferences, tastes, and intensities are different so I wouldn't expect everyone to understand my choices (some on the Lounge think I'm crazy - and from time to time, they may be right - but not all the time).
My favorite times are when Mr. & Mrs. Garbulky, Mr. Right in LA, or other "audio friends" visit so I can get their opinions on what I've done, what I'm doing, and how their adventures in audio are going. The hobby is MUCH more fun when it's interactive.
Cheers - Boom
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Post by garbulky on Jul 14, 2014 13:16:01 GMT -5
BoomzillanovisnickDarkskyYesterday's visit was a little different because the B'zilla's had additional company!! That's right! What was happening was EMOSOUTH! We were joined by Darksky and his young son who had both travelled across the country to be here and Novisnick. Darksky rolled in in the biggest truck you've ever seen. BADASS to say the least. After initial introductions we departed for lunch at a Grill place which had some very nice food. There we all got to know a little about each other and enjoy some southern comfort! Novisnick is absolutely as enjoyable a person as you would expect from his presence on the forums. A very nice person who is interested in helping people out and charity. Darksky and his son had actually arrived in a town a few hours away and stayed the day with Novisnick before driving here. There Novisnick had shaken his house and Darksky to their foundations with "Gravity" and his four subwoofers. After we arrived back at the B'zilla's, Mrs B'zilla took a liking to Darksky's little boy and they spent lots of time playing lego together. Darksky is a very friendly and articulate person who deserves a whole lot of respect for the line of work he was involved in, saving lives. And needless to say, he has my respect and I quite enjoyed my conversations with him. Then the listening started. In case anybody is unfamiliar with B'zilla's constantly evolving setup. Source Oppo-105 Fronts: Axiom audio m80 V4 Towers A lot of room treatment! Including a bass trap and cieling panels. (New) Amps: Crown XLS pair acting as monoblocks with the ability to pump 1000 watts @ 4 ohms per channel Powersound XV15 15 inch subwoofer. Yaqin Tube buffer Also seen in the wild though not necessarily active were Polk bookshelf speakers used for surround sound. A Klipsch center. Emotiva XPA-5, Radioshack omnidirectional speakers, Vintage Denon turntable B'zilla and novisnick played us some of their selections. All were quite enjoyable. I remember the Eagles, Norah Jones, Peggy Lee being played. What immediately became apparent was these gentlmen liked their Rock and they liked it at reference volumes. Soon the place was a rocking concert! And with the mood set, we were a noisy happy crowd talking about everything that was audio over great tunes. B'zilla impressed/surprised everybody with his very wide variety of music he likes. Rock, big band, Orchestral, Norah Jones, Rap, you name it, was heard. Having experienced his basic system which consists of the oppo and axiom audio m80's I was interested to hear that the tube buffer didn't instantly impart a huge amount of tubiness in the sound. It actually got out of the way, best as it could. It was hard for me to discern a difference. There were positive and detailed comments from the crowd to the sound of the speakers as well as some helpful suggestions. This is definitely an audiocentric crowd imo! We then watched some "gravity" on his very large projection setup which I assume is about 120-140 inches or larger. The picture impressed me greatly and I was very impressed that a blu ray could show all that detail of the earth. Once again, I felt like I was watching a 4k picture. Very clear colors. No pixellation. The combo of the Oppo and his Epson projector was definitely a good one. The power sound subwoofer also provided a lot of low end bass and definition during the opening scene. Darksky mentioned that novisnick also had an outstanding calibrated Pansonic (?) TV which he was very impressed with. Nearing the end of our visit we were joined briefly by the female audiophile I mentioned earlier! She had a Klipsch Heresy setup at her place. At the end of the day, I felt we had a great time. We had a group of people that were very different from each other united by a sense of fellowship and love of audio. Many thanks to Novisnick, Darksky, and Mr and Mrs B'zilla! Hope there will be more Emosouth in the future !
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Post by klinemj on Jul 14, 2014 17:12:56 GMT -5
Sounds like a great time!
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 14, 2014 17:50:57 GMT -5
Sounds like a great time! Agreed. I am jealous of all these fun audio gatherings you guys have.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2014 17:54:35 GMT -5
We will announce an EmoSouth again in the future. My offer to Big Dan and Co. Stands, they're all welcome to come the Central Louisiana for a great time at their convenience.
Nick
Edit: Man that was FUN!
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 15, 2014 1:12:54 GMT -5
Sounds like a great time! Agreed. I am jealous of all these fun audio gatherings you guys have. +1 I'm jealous too. Is an EmoNorth a good idea?
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Post by garbulky on Aug 24, 2014 3:09:22 GMT -5
BoomzillaA new update with a short visit to the B'zilla's Today was a busy day and though we wanted to spend more time with this excellent couple, we unfortunately weren't able to. Once again, many thanks for hosting us. We appreciate the amazing people you both are. Today B'zilla had a pretty impressive Yamaha Aventage RX 10-40 reciever to show me. Now, I have to admit this. I am very biased against recievers. Very biased. I used to think of it isn't separates, it isn't worth all that much. But you know what? This is the first time that I may have to eat my words. Okay firs the nit picks: Compared to the Oppo 105 it lacked some very very subtle audio cues. But only if one was tremendously critical (and biased). But don't let that subtract from the fantastic acheivement of this $900 unit. With a sub supplmenting the bass. It had 1. Really very nice pre-amplifier capabilties. 2. Bought high end sound to the average person. There is nothing wrong with this unit. I would equate it on the same level or better than an XDA-1 and not too far behind an oppo 105. Its amp capabilties (with an sub to supplement the bass) was nothin to complain about in a LARGE living room. This sytem got loud! (With a PSA sub included). Something that I was unable to experiment due to time was that the yamaha had a huge amount of sound customization. For instance there was the axiom m80 V4 centers, which by the wey between the two of them had 12 drivers integrated. And it was supposed to integrate with a Klipsch center with three much smaller drivers in it. With the yamaha taking over room correction, when we switched between two and three channel (center included), there wasn't a marked difference. How is that possible? I don't know.I mean the axioms are many times the size, price and capabilities of the Klipsch. but RC has obviously advanced since it first came out! Where I had a hard times distinguishing between the two. This should not be possible imo. (But it was). Unfortunately I'm going to have to refrain from commenting more on sound quality. Why? Because somethings go beyond just plain crituqes of sound quality. But then sometiems the element of fun jumps into the mix and you realize that, yes, this gear has tons of fun built into it! Sometimes you hear a unit that's special that you KNOW that you wouldn't d o it proper justice by giviing a detailed commentary after one gItood listen. And so I will give it some respect and not go into too much detail. But I will say this: Its pre-amp capability was GOOD. Better than say....an XDA-1 or an oppo 105 driving an emotiva power amp. And that's saying quite a bit imo. Here's what I can say. At its very worst it gave 75-90% of the sound of the very best I've ever heard his system. And when I say best, I mean the best I've ever heard audio EVER. Also there are somethings the separates I experienced couldn't compete with. And this was the huge amount of features on the yamaha. It even had a sorto of timbre matching room correction which was pretty impressive! I didn't realize technology had advanced so much. It sends a message to the separates crowd. Yes, sound quality is important and I am a believer, but we mustn't forget the advances made in these integrates with their features. We also left with some very nice musical gear which we are much appreciative of B'zilla. I don't know how he finds this gear. But we are very grateful. We also enjoyed his reading some of the letters some children wrote to him because of some gear that he donated on their behalf. Thanks again for hosting and all you do!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 4:17:40 GMT -5
But I will say this: Its pre-amp capability was GOOD. Better than say....an XDA-1 or an oppo 105 driving an emotiva power amp. And that's saying quite a bit imo. Garbulky, you've excited my curiosity here. Did you do a direct A/B or A/B/C between the pre in the Yamaha receiver, XDA-1 and Oppo 105 thru an Emo power amp, or are your pre-amp conclusions the result of your memory of these three components? If you did do a direct A/B/C comparison would you describe the test setup procedures in some detail. Thanks as I'm always interested in any Lounge comparison tests. I've done a few myself and I maybe can learn from others how to improve my techniques.
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Post by garbulky on Aug 24, 2014 4:24:28 GMT -5
But I will say this: Its pre-amp capability was GOOD. Better than say....an XDA-1 or an oppo 105 driving an emotiva power amp. And that's saying quite a bit imo. Garbulky, you've excited my curiosity here. Did you do a direct A/B or A/B/C between the pre in the Yamaha receiver, XDA-1 and Oppo 105 thru an Emo power amp, or are your pre-amp conclusions the result of your memory of these three components? If you did do a direct A/B/C comparison would you describe the test setup procedures in some detail. Thanks as I'm always interested in any Lounge comparison tests. I've done a few myself and I maybe can learn from others how to improve my techniques. Hi Chuckie. Sorry to be a downer here but basically it was off memory. No level matching etc, no direct A/B. Just showed up and listened. I did get a chance to listen to the yamah's RC mode vs non RC mode and their surround vs non surround. The reason I talked about the pre-amp was because of dynamic capabilities. The Yamaha honestly did a pretty good job of dynamics. And it was an obvious standout for me In depth DAC comparisons would not be possible after a short visit other than what I've mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 11:30:27 GMT -5
The reason I talked about the pre-amp was because of dynamic capabilities. The Yamaha honestly did a pretty good job of dynamics. And it was an obvious standout for me In depth DAC comparisons would not be possible after a short visit other than what I've mentioned. I'm getting ready to put the boots on its so deep in here! The grain of salt is as huge as a bolder!
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Post by garbulky on Aug 24, 2014 11:41:11 GMT -5
The reason I talked about the pre-amp was because of dynamic capabilities. The Yamaha honestly did a pretty good job of dynamics. And it was an obvious standout for me In depth DAC comparisons would not be possible after a short visit other than what I've mentioned. I'm getting ready to put the boots on its so deep in here! The grain of sand is as huge as a bolder! I'm a little confused Chuckie! Do you mean grain of salt?
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