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Post by jmilton on Jun 22, 2013 14:45:51 GMT -5
Dan said 29db gain will be the new standard for all amps forthwith!
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Post by TUGA Audiophile on Jun 22, 2013 16:00:12 GMT -5
GOOD JOB! I like to see a video with the BOB CARVER and XPA-1 vs B&W 804 DIAMOND, can you post here? They are in BI-AMPING mode? - This setup is very interesting...!
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Post by Golden Ear on Jun 22, 2013 17:39:40 GMT -5
GOOD JOB! I like to see a video with the BOB CARVER and XPA-1 vs B&W 804 DIAMOND, can you post here? They are in BI-AMPING mode? - This setup is very interesting...! Emotiva and B&W have great synergy together.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on Jun 22, 2013 18:44:24 GMT -5
Gen II also has a new and slightly different power button - nothing major!
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Post by Golden Ear on Jun 22, 2013 19:04:23 GMT -5
I wonder what does XPA-2 Gen II will bring to the table, will it have more power than its predecessor because it has 100 dollars price bump?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 20:01:27 GMT -5
From what I can see in the pics, the XPA series now has "wrap-around" lids - the sides and top of the top (huh?) wrap over instead of sitting flush as they do now. The trim pieces are now beveled along the top and bottom, much the same as the sides are now. It did not look to me like the amps' tops can be retro-fitted, there are more screw fasteners.
I'm guessing that internally they will be using more bias to increase the amount of Class A operation. That is very nice and will make them even more competitive in the marketplace. The $100 price increase is unfortunate, but certainly not a deal-breaker. And as others have mentioned, I bet they back the gain down to 29db, a worthy change.
Now if they would just allow us to turn off ALL the lights on their gear, I'd be a very happy camper. All in all it looks like they have taken some very good amps and made them even better - bravo, Emo!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 20:02:36 GMT -5
One quick question - did Emotiva indicate when they would be releasing the newly-updated XPA amps? And did they release the pricing yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 20:19:16 GMT -5
The rcas which were pretty flimsy seem to be upgraded as well which a very nice upgrade.
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Post by brubacca on Jun 22, 2013 20:20:16 GMT -5
Upping the Class A Bias in the XPA line, similar to the XPA-1l could be a real game changer. The 1L is 35 Watts of class A. If they could rev say the XPA-200 and provide say 15/18W of class A operation it would be a real differentiator between the upa and XPA lines. Would make that price difference well worth it. The software and chipset is done to do it. Possibly the extra $100 per amp is for this operation plus a beefier power section to accomplish it.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jun 22, 2013 20:26:47 GMT -5
Looks like the RCA inputs are now going to be the Tiffany style for those who feel the need to man-handle their interconnects while plugging them in.
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Post by Porscheguy on Jun 22, 2013 20:30:34 GMT -5
Those tube amps sounded great but big $$$, I think $8000 a pair. But to be honest we swapped them out and listened to the same music with the XPR-1's and they sounded just as nice but were more dynamic with a tighter bottom end..
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Post by GreenKiwi on Jun 22, 2013 20:37:56 GMT -5
Upping the Class A Bias in the XPA line, similar to the XPA-1l could be a real game changer. The 1L is 35 Watts of class A. If they could rev say the XPA-200 and provide say 15/18W of class A operation it would be a real differentiator between the upa and XPA lines. Would make that price difference well worth it. The software and chipset is done to do it. Possibly the extra $100 per amp is for this operation plus a beefier power section to accomplish it. I wouldn't guess that for the 200, but I would guess the xpa-1 would match the 1L and the 2 would be in that 15-20w range.
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Post by jmilton on Jun 22, 2013 21:33:05 GMT -5
One quick question - did Emotiva indicate when they would be releasing the newly-updated XPA amps? And did they release the pricing yet? -RW- Dan said in a few weeks...
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Post by Golden Ear on Jun 22, 2013 22:45:21 GMT -5
My question since USP-1 has a touchy volume control would 29db gain will help make wide range of use in the volume control?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 22:57:34 GMT -5
Yes, that's one of the main reasons for using lower gain. That and high efficiency speakers...
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Post by ed on Jun 22, 2013 23:11:02 GMT -5
what is picture #11? looks like a cylinder with nubs on it...
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Post by audiosanity on Jun 22, 2013 23:13:24 GMT -5
Pretty sure Dan said entire XPA lineup is making the transition to Gen II except the XPA-1L that's already there. Does that include the XPA-200? That seems more standard. Btyw, when I first read about the justification for 32dB gain, i.e. many buyers would be using budget preamp that would require a high gain for the XPA-2 to reach full power, I thought really? Indeed, the USP-1 is the most budget preamp I know of, but it cranks out 9V RMS, which is a few times more than needed to drive the XPA-2 to full power! But then I realized the "preamps" being talked about were probably just AV receivers.
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Post by audiosanity on Jun 22, 2013 23:38:56 GMT -5
Just got back from show. Gen II XPA is more than cosmetic. I listened to Dan talk about it for a while. Upgrade to internal components to bring the family in line with the XPA-1L. $100 price bump. The XPA-1L costs nearly as much as an XPA-2. Would a mere $100 bump really get the family in line with it? Or perhaps all that is meant is that it will have a symbolic class A bias, which would make them run significantly hotter. My father in-law has an old Yamaha that has an auto class A button, which makes the amp run in class A for fairly low wattage, but that is enough to make it really cook. The price bump would put the XPA-2 dangerously close to competition with better name recognition. At some point, people may start settling for less power in exchange for more recognized pedigree. Unless Emotiva is relying that its loyal customer base will go though upgrade cycles every 2-3 years. And where would a class A bias in the XPA line leave the XPR line? I am not sure it makes that much sense. For the XPA-2, my guess is that they will drop the triple Darlington design in favor of double Darlington or even something else, which would probably also drop the requirement of large voltage to drive them, which might also perhaps eliminate the in-series capacitance business. Perhaps the new design will be more stable into very low impedance, enough to get a 2Ohm rating. From a purely specs point of view, a 2 Ohm rating (i.e. higher current capability) and a slightly higher S/N would do it.
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Post by audiosanity on Jun 23, 2013 0:07:17 GMT -5
Btwy, does this mean people will hold off buying the current line until they get more details about Gen II or will they snap up Gen Is at sales prices before the higher priced Gen IIs come out?
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Post by GreenKiwi on Jun 23, 2013 0:09:06 GMT -5
what is picture #11? looks like a cylinder with nubs on it... It's for her pleasure. :-P I'm guessing that's the new control freak, volume control.
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