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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 11:32:09 GMT -5
In this this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/38589/coupe-xsp-1-ownersaudioHTIT explained how on the XSP-1 that anything plugged into the "Proc Loop" would affect the sound on all channels. This then is where I would connect my Dpeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core 2.0.....perfect! But I am vacillating between the XSP-1 and the XMC-1 trying to figure out what I want. What I want to know is does the XMC-1 have this same capability using some other inputs on the back....because "Proc Loop" is not on the XMC-1? For me the the DC 2.0 is an indispensable room correction tool that I do not want to be without. But I need to know if it can be looped into the XMC-1 in such a way that it would affect all signals like on the XSP-1. Anybody know?
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Post by bootman on Aug 27, 2014 11:42:46 GMT -5
Dual Core - 2ch XSP - 2ch
XMC -7ch
See the problem? This is why a multichannel processor usually has some sort of room correction. In the case of the XMC it is Dirac.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 27, 2014 11:59:57 GMT -5
In this this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/38589/coupe-xsp-1-ownersaudioHTIT explained how on the XSP-1 that anything plugged into the "Proc Loop" would affect the sound on all channels. This then is where I would connect my Dpeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core 2.0.....perfect! But I am vacillating between the XSP-1 and the XMC-1 trying to figure out what I want. What I want to know is does the XMC-1 have this same capability using some other inputs on the back....because "Proc Loop" is not on the XMC-1? For me the the DC 2.0 is an indispensable room correction tool that I do not want to be without. But I need to know if it can be looped into the XMC-1 in such a way that it would affect all signals like on the XSP-1. Anybody know? Dual Core - 2ch XSP - 2ch XMC -7ch See the problem? This is why a multichannel processor usually has some sort of room correction. In the case of the XMC it is Dirac. Right, while the XMC does have a processor loop, if you look at a picture of the back (in the 'record' box), you'll see it only has two in's and outs. The loop only processes the L/R channels, in fact on the XMC-1 they make a distinction from the XSP-1 in that they call it a 'true tape loop' instead of a 'processor loop' (even though they are functionally the same), probably to try avoid the confusion you might be having. Edit: As bootman implied, the conclusion is that you don't want to use 2 channel correction with a 7 channel processor - not that you want the XMC-1 to be capable of this - let Dirac and the XMC-1's bass management handle that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:33:53 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. I guess it really boils down to 2 channel audio for me as the priority. Internal EQ via Dirac or external EQ via Dspeaker DC 2.0....between one or the other, or both, ..... on the XMC-1 I am sure I can find the settings I need. Of course it would be wonderful to kill two birds with one stone and have one unit that was great at both Stereo and HT. But back to 2 channel, have you guys heard of any comparisons on 2 channel between these two units? Is there any topology comparisons of the XMC-1 vs the XSP-1 that gives any clues about 2 channel?
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Post by bootman on Aug 27, 2014 15:47:06 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. I guess it really boils down to 2 channel audio for me as the priority. Internal EQ via Dirac or external EQ via Dspeaker DC 2.0....between one or the other, or both, ..... on the XMC-1 I am sure I can find the settings I need. Of course it would be wonderful to kill two birds with one stone and have one unit that was great at both Stereo and HT. But back to 2 channel, have you guys heard of any comparisons on 2 channel between these two units? Is there any topology comparisons of the XMC-1 vs the XSP-1 that gives any clues about 2 channel? Just take a look at the published specs. Some rival and some beat the XSP in 2ch even when going through a ADC to DAC conversion. Keith posted about the 2ch performance of the XMC. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/655420Much more to find if you just search.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 27, 2014 16:17:20 GMT -5
Once again bootman is right on, quite a few have considered the same things you are - myself included. I am strongly considering that the XMC-1 will be my only 'pre/pro' (to bring an appropriate old term back). I think the strongest argument for maintaining a two channel system is actually having one, and by that I mean a dedicated one with a separate pair of amps and speakers. Don't get me wrong, if two channel is your priority the XSP-1 is great, but if you're sharing duties with an HT an XMC-1 may be all you need. Caveat: I don't have an XMC-1 yet (or like most posts IMO)
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Post by frenchyfranky on Aug 27, 2014 18:00:59 GMT -5
The only thing missing to the XMC-1 is your living room... Beleive me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:52:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I was asking about the topology/spec thing because no audio/listening reviews are available yet..but we know the are coming! Thanks for the link Bootman to Keith’s post. I was in Cozumel according to the posting date….missed that one. I actually have two systems now, and I really like how my 2 channel audio sounds. Mostly I listen to digital. It is laptop>FAT>DC>amps. Then there is the Sherwood with Trinnov that I really like for HT. Problem is I can’t get them together because there is no pass through on any of my units…..and I want to consolidate the systems together into one system now that there are no kids at home anymore. If there is anything that bothers me about audio it is a lack of transparency more that a lack of EQ. Forever it seems though, I have chased feature sets within “pre/pros” more than the pre/pros audio transparency. It’s only after being into audio for about 40yrs that it has finally sunk in my head what music playback systems are all about? The sound! Pureness of sound! No colorations. No additives! Wow….that is so revelatory isn’t it! But that’s it! I never understood why some old school audiophiles seemed to be so against DSP RC. I kind of wrote them off as old farts that were set in their ways and just out of touch with technology. That may be the case a lot of times, but that’s not all of it. They are not against the technology pre se necessarily. Many are against what technology does to the transparency of the sound. I said "transparency" not EQ to the sound. To them, and now to me as well, transparency of sound is my ultimate audio goal. Combing digital circuitry such as HDMI, etc., into the same unit as analog audio paths has always been a concern for me. I noticed with my Sherwood/Trinnov that I could improve the audio in two steps: 1) Turn off all video processing circuits (Pure Audio) 2) Unplug any HDMI connections even if they were not being used. Read the article listed in the link below. It gives one of the best reviews of the XPS-1 against other processors, but more importantly to me is how the reviewer could measure jitter/distortion introduced into an audio circuit from an HDMI connection in an Onkyo unit that wasn’t even being used. I think I am remembering that right anyway. I am sure that the XMC-1 would measure better here, but keeping the systems separate is always in the back of my mind. Read this review. I think you will find it very informative! archimago.blogspot.com/2013/10/measurements-separate-vs-av-receivers.htmTo solve a lot of compatibility issues in homes systems that are made of many different components, I wish Emotiva would make a input/output switching device that was only a “signal path” routing deck. No preamp, no processing, just a clean signal path routing system with memory capability. It would be great to be able to route, and combine any input into any signal path sequence of your choosing, and then be able to assign that path a memory slot on a remote say. It would be nice to have multiple “proc loops” so that any external device (DC 2.0, parametric, graphic EQ, minidsp, etc., et.) could be sequenced anywhere in the chain with any device! An HDMI routing system might also be useful. Analog vs Analog+Digital. Or, XSP-1 vs XMC-1? Still thinking! Anyway, food for thought!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:57:50 GMT -5
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