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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 18, 2014 12:54:12 GMT -5
There should be a mention of this with the XMC-1 product information to avoid confusion, heartache, whatever. That's a given.
For me, going from a one-point puck microphone system with my Pioneer Elite to Dirac "standard" will most likely be a huge improvement. I'll decide later whether it's worth the $99 move up.
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Post by sct on Oct 18, 2014 13:09:39 GMT -5
Deewan baited: "Yea, if it's so easy for Emotiva to implement Dirac into their system and have that system communicate with Dirac servers while being compatible with everyones different setup home (not white house or NASA), then perhaps you could help out a few audio engineers with this quest. Just saying. " I'd be glad to, but they haven't asked me to help. And I still fail to see what the big deal is here about communicating with the Dirac servers. I expect that once you run the room calibration some sort of file(s) is created. And then this file is transmitted to Dirac where they do their magic and transmit back a file to you. How is this *any* different from doing file uploads and downloads that each and every one of us is doing right now using our home PCs? I'm sorry, but their explanation does not pass the smell test and I believe that something else *totally* unrelated to passing files back and forth is at play.... SCT ps: No, I did not work on the ObamaCare website. In fact, when I heard of the troubles they were having I railed about their incompetence. I worked on the FERC website (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission). That website passes back and forth *thousands* upon thousands of very large files every week with very little trouble. Go to that website and tell me that's not a first class piece of work... ferconline.ferc.gov/
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Post by yeeeha17 on Oct 18, 2014 13:23:54 GMT -5
Easier said than done. We have maintaince guys that work on the tools all day everyday so they should know everything about the tools but sometimes they have to out source other vendors to come help get the tools working right.
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Post by deewan on Oct 18, 2014 13:46:31 GMT -5
Deewan baited: "Yea, if it's so easy for Emotiva to implement Dirac into their system and have that system communicate with Dirac servers while being compatible with everyones different setup home (not white house or NASA), then perhaps you could help out a few audio engineers with this quest. Just saying. " I'd be glad to, but they haven't asked me to help. And I still fail to see what the big deal is here about communicating with the Dirac servers. I expect that once you run the room calibration some sort of file(s) is created. And then this file is transmitted to Dirac where they do their magic and transmit back a file to you. How is this *any* different from doing file uploads and downloads that each and every one of us is doing right now using our home PCs? I'm sorry, but their explanation does not pass the smell test and I believe that something else *totally* unrelated to passing files back and forth is at play.... SCT ps: No, I did not work on the ObamaCare website. In fact, when I heard of the troubles they were having I railed about their incompetence. I worked on the FERC website (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission). That website passes back and forth *thousands* upon thousands of very large files every week with very little trouble. Go to that website and tell me that's not a first class piece of work... ferconline.ferc.gov/With the ability to drag politics and the Affordable Care Act website into a AV Processor's ARC discussion, I am sure you can solve any networking problem in hours instead of months. BTW, our national health care system is called the Affordable Helath Care act, no matter if you agree with it or not. But I'm sure you new that, working for NASA and the White House and all. Sure Emotiva hasn't asked, but maybe if you continue to complain on their forum they will see they have a network genius who knows the fix is simple and they could ask for help. I would personally thank you for all the support you would offer during a quick resolution. Seems like you are a trust worthy, upstanding guy with a great resume. Emo would be lucky to have you help them out.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 18, 2014 14:19:20 GMT -5
I'm not a network engineer, just a lowly audio/videophile, but I do have a question.
How do we know that this Dirac issue is an Emotiva problem? What about Dirac? Could the holdup be on their end?
I guess it's difficult to know when you don't know what the issue really is.
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Post by twism on Oct 18, 2014 15:10:09 GMT -5
I'm not a network engineer, just a lowly audio/videophile, but I do have a question. How do we know that this Dirac issue is an Emotiva problem? What about Dirac? Could the holdup be on their end? I guess it's difficult to know when you don't know what the issue really is. That's the main issue. We don't know because they don't expand. It's frustrating when the XMC came without Dirac and then they said it would come in 60 days. That has passed. I believe one of the updates posted that they were in the final phase just working on how the OSD will look and making sure it works with all networks at your home. A lot of speculation would stop IMO if we had more concrete details. I'm an avid Emotiva supporters. My whole room is Emotiva. But as a customer who sat by and watched the fiasco that was the delay of the XMC is it too much to ask that we get some real answers? It's personally frustrating when you seem to feel duped because I truly did belive there was no way Emotiva would miss Dirac after they said 60 days. Would it be totally unreasonable that Dirac doesn't make it until 2015? Heck they XPA was stated as coming soon and that took an extra 2 years....
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Post by pop on Oct 18, 2014 15:31:34 GMT -5
I would have to agree. Typically I will take Emotiva's side in something of this matter, but it was promised to early adopters. So now, in theory, it is "owed" to folks who have purchased the XMC with the promise. They kind of got themselves in a pickle here. When the complaining was going on about releasing the XMC nobody had given them any money and had no ground to stand on. Now they do.
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Post by aviolentgrace on Oct 18, 2014 15:43:51 GMT -5
So, pop, would I be mischaracterizing your feelings on the matter to suggest that Emotiva could, in effect, make up all the unforeseen delays by giving Early Adopters of the XMC-1 free access to the pay-for-play Dirac Live upgrade, or are you suggesting they should make good on some other promise?
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 18, 2014 15:47:51 GMT -5
I have absolutely no doubt that there is a voluminous NDA between Emotiva and DIRAC that in all probability prevents disclosure of technical details of the data capture, transfer and interpretation. That's pretty much the fundamental basis of DIRAC's USP, so it's going to be heavily protected. I'm sure Dan would like to answer the questions, but my guess is his hands are legally tied.
BTW, I don't subscribe to the belief that the guys at Emotiva are sitting on their hands waiting for a miracle to appear, there would be plenty of emphasis on resolving the issue/s. Far too many customers, potential sales, are waiting for the complete product to believe otherwise.
Cheers Gary
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Post by pop on Oct 18, 2014 15:53:00 GMT -5
So, pop, would I be mischaracterizing your feelings on the matter to suggest that Emotiva could, in effect, make up all the unforeseen delays by giving Early Adopters of the XMC-1 free access to the pay-for-play Dirac Live upgrade, or are you suggesting they should make good on some other promise? Just think that now that Dirac has been promised and people have spent their money early on the promise, there should be pretty steady communication. Honestly, I feel entitled to a free XMC. Don't ask why, I just deserve it.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 18, 2014 15:57:43 GMT -5
So, pop, would I be mischaracterizing your feelings on the matter to suggest that Emotiva could, in effect, make up all the unforeseen delays by giving Early Adopters of the XMC-1 free access to the pay-for-play Dirac Live upgrade, or are you suggesting they should make good on some other promise? Just think that now that Dirac has been promised and people have spent their money early on the promise, there should be pretty steady communication. Honestly, I feel entitled to a free XMC. Don't ask why, I just deserve it. A free XMC would be great, but I would like to see Emotiva stay in business. Right now, I would be happy with a free update as to Dirac implementation progress.
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Post by aviolentgrace on Oct 18, 2014 16:03:54 GMT -5
"We're working on it. We're almost done. It's coming soon. (When it's done)." There ya go. Free update on implementation progress.
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Post by pop on Oct 18, 2014 16:28:24 GMT -5
You're right. My bad.
I know better than to jump in these threads.
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 18, 2014 17:45:51 GMT -5
Twism wrote: "Still, they have been using that as a reason for a very long time. It seems like it has been many months of communication issues. In my previous life as a network engineer I'd be out of a job if I couldn't resolve communication issues. Not saying it's easy but if this is what's holding it up and you have promised time frames then I think you would be on top of it and getting it resolved. " Indeed. I've been a network engineer/programmer for over 30 years, and have worked on some of the biggest, baddest systems in the US (White House, Dept. of Energy, NASA, etc.) And it damn sure doesn't take the months and months and months they claim to solve the networking issues that are holding up the release. No, something else is afoot here and Emotiva are dissembling just as fast as they can to keep everyone mollified. The Emo cognoscenti will give them a pass no matter how egregious the infraction, they always do. But those of us with clearer heads know that something ain't quite right... SCT Did you have anything to do with the health care web site? Defensive stab Geebo?
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Post by monkumonku on Oct 18, 2014 17:54:48 GMT -5
Did you have anything to do with the health care web site? Defensive stab Geebo? Ah, now that's an expert question.
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 18, 2014 17:56:29 GMT -5
Ah, now that's an expert question. Which one?
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Post by geebo on Oct 18, 2014 18:18:00 GMT -5
Did you have anything to do with the health care web site? Defensive stab Geebo? Good gosh! A humorous remark. That okay with you Foggy1956?
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 18, 2014 18:24:40 GMT -5
Good gosh! A humorous remark. That okay with you Foggy1956? I enjoy winding up blue tops and watching them spin. ?
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Post by geebo on Oct 18, 2014 18:41:07 GMT -5
Good gosh! A humorous remark. That okay with you Foggy1956? I enjoy winding up blue tops and watching them spin. ? I see. Now that explains things.
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Post by wbroshea on Oct 18, 2014 23:34:40 GMT -5
Did you have anything to do with the health care web site? Defensive stab Geebo? If it was, it wasn't a very good one as even that website is up and running ok by now. Now that says something. Sorry sorry it was just a joke, nobody get bent out of shape over it. Emotiva is wonderful, yea them. I'll leave now.
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