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Post by Lsc on Sept 23, 2014 11:57:45 GMT -5
When in doubt, just wait until the dust settles.  I'm a little bummed that I won't be able to hear Transformers in Dolby Atmos. However, in additional to an Atmos processor, I need to spend $1500/pair and buy 1 or 2 sets of speakers to mount on the ceiling. I'm hoping for a much more aesthetically pleasing solution than one where you need a dedicated home theater - mine is still in the "build" stage. |
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Post by casey01 on Sept 23, 2014 12:21:11 GMT -5
I would gather that with the XMC-1 the process would be the same in that the licensing would have to be in place, hardware would have to be installed at the beginning and Emotiva would have announced its future capabilities via a firmware update. Since they have not, I am assuming this technology will not be available on the XMC-1. That would not be correct, Emotiva is working with Dolby and Atmos may come to the XMC-1. AVR manufactures on the other hand want to have a reason for you to buy a new receiver so building in upgradeability isn't in their best interest. Frankly, we don't even know whether or not the XMC-1 is capable of this type of upgrade, only Dan knows that. To further complicate issues, apparently DTS is in the final stages of development of their version of "Atmos" so I would expect much like Dolby Tru-HD and DTS Master Audio, ultimately both versions will be in future generations of AVR/Pre-Pros not too far down the road. With Emotiva's discount program, to me anyway, it would make more sense to wait a year or two to introduce a new model with ALL the latest features. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 12:48:42 GMT -5
That would not be correct, Emotiva is working with Dolby and Atmos may come to the XMC-1. AVR manufactures on the other hand want to have a reason for you to buy a new receiver so building in upgradeability isn't in their best interest. Frankly, we don't even know whether or not the XMC-1 is capable of this type of upgrade, only Dan knows that. To further complicate issues, apparently DTS is in the final stages of development of their version of "Atmos" so I would expect much like Dolby Tru-HD and DTS Master Audio, ultimately both versions will be in future generations of AVR/Pre-Pros not too far down the road. With Emotiva's discount program, to me anyway, it would make more sense to wait a year or two to introduce a new model with ALL the latest features. I would not have made the statement if I didn't believe it to be true, I spoke with Lonnie about this in LA (he also knows), you can read the discussion HERE (although they are short answers). Of course it's possible resources or priorities might keep this from happening, but I don't think it compares to your discussion with Yamaha. On the other hand waiting for a processor like the RMC-1 would certainly get you something more modern and capable (albeit more expensive) - that will always be true - as it will be with whatever you choose. |
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Post by bootman on Sept 23, 2014 12:50:27 GMT -5
At least, this is what the folks at Yamaha's HO told me anyway about all this when I asked about a possible addition of Dolby Atmos to the CX-A5000. The Atmos upgrade to the CX-A5000 will be the CX-A5100 (or whatever model number they come up with) Every AVR manufacture just loves the fact that a new feature might give people the incentive to upgrade. Fine by me. Just means there might be good deals to be had in the used market on perfectly fine sounding gear. |
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Post by bootman on Sept 23, 2014 12:53:50 GMT -5
When in doubt, just wait until the dust settles. I'm a little bummed that I won't be able to hear Transformers in Dolby Atmos. However, in additional to an Atmos processor, I need to spend $1500/pair and buy 1 or 2 sets of speakers to mount on the ceiling. I'm hoping for a much more aesthetically pleasing solution than one where you need a dedicated home theater - mine is still in the "build" stage. I heard Transformers in Dolby Atmos. (in theaters) You are not missing that much. Now planet of the apes did have some interesting effects in the theater. But I'm not sure I'm cutting holes in the ceiling just to hear a certain effect in a certain scene on a certain movie. If I was building a room from scratch, sure why not! But most retrofits will be pretty expensive. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 13:37:34 GMT -5
But I'm not sure I'm cutting holes in the ceiling just to hear a certain effect in a certain scene on a certain movie. If I was building a room from scratch, sure why not! But most retrofits will be pretty expensive. Not to mention the holes have to be in pretty specific places in a pretty specific ceiling. I enjoyed the sound in "Planet of the Apes" as well. |
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 23, 2014 13:40:05 GMT -5
"I find the whole Atmos thing to be a tempest in teacup. First of all, not many folks are gonna have rooms that will properly support all the speakers you need. Secondly, source material that is properly Atmos encoded is vanishingly small. Hell, it's almost impossible to find 7.2 discs, let alone Atmos discs. And, finally, how many movies would really be improved by having Atmos capability? As someone mentioned, perhaps movies that have planes and such flying overhead would benefit, but that's about it.
So, my take on Atmos is that it's much ado about nothing, even more so than 3D was. And folks who stress over whether or not their processor has Atmos really need to push back from their keyboards and get outside and live a little....
SCT"
I agree with your last sentence though I have all the outdoors life I need now as I am training for my 2nd marathon this year after riding "Flanders" 245 k in April...
Nonetheless, I still want my Atmos! You obviously haven't heard it. I did, in a theatre, and it was by far the best theatre sound I ever heard. It's sooo much more than overhead objects... It's called ATMOS, short for ATMOSPHERE! More speakers, meaning also more headroom => less distortion => louder, yet more tolarable.
Not that a Woody Allen movie will benefit a lot. But movies with, say, some OUTDOORS in it, will benefit!
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Post by audiosyndrome on Sept 23, 2014 14:56:27 GMT -5
Dolby ATMOS is DOA IMO ...... We'll, maybe not if you're single or divorced. Or if you want to get divorced, "hey hon I'm going to cut four ten-inch holes in the ceiling" should do it.
Russ
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Post by boscobear on Sept 23, 2014 15:35:26 GMT -5
I see Atmos coming in 8 tracks
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Post by bluescale on Sept 23, 2014 17:05:41 GMT -5
Not that a Woody Allen movie will benefit a lot. But movies with, say, some OUTDOORS in it, will benefit! Think about all those beautiful scenes walking around in downtown New York. Considering many of Allen's films are still mastered in mono, I don't know that he'll ever use it, but imagine the power of immersing you in the middle of one of the busiest places in the world. A lot of people think of Atmos in terms of big action sequences and whiz bang sound effects. I liked your statement about Atmos being short for atmosphere: "the pervading tone or mood of a place, situation, or work of art." Atmos can do this like nothing else we've experienced in sound yet. |
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Post by bluescale on Sept 23, 2014 17:12:02 GMT -5
Dolby ATMOS is DOA IMO ...... We'll, maybe not if you're single or divorced. Or if you want to get divorced, "hey hon I'm going to cut four ten-inch holes in the ceiling" should do it. Russ I agree (for the most part) that that's true for Atmos as originally implemented in AVRs. However, if done right, Atmos is designed to scale to whatever speaker environment you have. If you only have 5.1, it'll use 5.1. If you have 11.2.4, it'll used 11.2.4. No need for the sound mixers to try to decide how many channels to mix. The information is on the disc, along with positional metadata, and your processor plays it based on how many speakers you have configured. The biggest flaw in the first generation of Atmos is that there is no positional data. Your speakers have to be in precise locations. Hopefully this will be addressed in version 2 of Atmos, or in DTS UHD. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 23, 2014 17:23:35 GMT -5
For the foreseeable future, while I won't be cutting holes in my ceiling or adding speakers directed at the ceiling, I sure hope the presence of Dolby Atmos gives us 7.1 tracks for all movies re-released or newly released from here on out.  |
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Post by twism on Sept 23, 2014 17:26:49 GMT -5
I am temped by Atmos because I think it will be a great addition to our traditional 5.1/7/1 setups. I am lucky enough to have a room that is mine, I could put 100 speakers in there if they would all fit. I will admit last night and today I started figuring out what it would take to move from my just newly acquired XMC-1 to a Atmos setup..
1. Sell the XMC-1
2. Likely sell my ERD-1s as the reports I am hearing is DIPOLE/BIPOLE is not the preferred setup.
3. Figure out if my standard 7.1 setup is too high, meaning my surround back and side surrounds are all around 5' off the ground, putting 2 to 4 speakers in the ceiling might cause some issues with all the noise going on up there. Not enough separation between "layers", as my ceiling is just shy of 8'.
4. If they are too high, then I am kind of out of luck because my rears in emotive in walls and I have treatments right below.
Maybe the distance between the surrounds and ceilings doesn't matter as much, but all the papers I have seen from Dolby suggest you put the surrounds at ear level, I could see my setup working if I had say 10' or high ceilings. I also think I might run into an issue as the .2 or .4 is on the same axis as the FL and FR and that puts them almost right next to my side surrounds.
I would like to just maybe try 7.1.2 with using Top Middle ATMOS but what a lot of work just to test it out, and it it didn't work out, well what a waste of time and energy, and pry some money.
My room performs great, tons of treatments, etc.. I hate that this hobby makes ME at times question my setup and want the next best thing!!!!!
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 23, 2014 17:31:54 GMT -5
A lot of people think of Atmos in terms of big action sequences and whiz bang sound effects. I liked your statement about Atmos being short for atmosphere: "the pervading tone or mood of a place, situation, or work of art." Atmos can do this like nothing else we've experienced in sound yet. Sorry but my mind went in the gutter on this one. Don't ask me why, but I got this image in my mind of porn in 3D with Atmos sound. YIKES!!!!  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 17:36:25 GMT -5
Not that a Woody Allen movie will benefit a lot. But movies with, say, some OUTDOORS in it, will benefit! Think about all those beautiful scenes walking around in downtown New York. Considering many of Allen's films are still mastered in mono, I don't know that he'll ever use it, but imagine the power of immersing you in the middle of one of the busiest places in the world. A lot of people think of Atmos in terms of big action sequences and whiz bang sound effects. I liked your statement about Atmos being short for atmosphere: "the pervading tone or mood of a place, situation, or work of art." Atmos can do this like nothing else we've experienced in sound yet. Good point, I remember an evening walking on the streets of Amsterdam, it was still a bit light but busy, and hearing the people, bicycles, cars, voices and sounds echoing off the old buildings. It was a moving soundscape and I was very taken up by the history and ATMOSphere ... yeah, might have just been to one of the 'coffee shops'. Still though there is much in the environment that ATMOS could help convey, besides the effects that people naturally think of when more speakers are discussed. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 23, 2014 17:40:32 GMT -5
The biggest flaw in the first generation of Atmos is that there is no positional data. Your speakers have to be in precise locations. Hopefully this will be addressed in version 2 of Atmos, or in DTS UHD. Exactly, it's not DOA but it's also not ready for prime time. |
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Post by bluescale on Sept 23, 2014 17:44:47 GMT -5
3. Figure out if my standard 7.1 setup is too high, meaning my surround back and side surrounds are all around 5' off the ground, putting 2 to 4 speakers in the ceiling might cause some issues with all the noise going on up there. Not enough separation between "layers", as my ceiling is just shy of 8'. 4. If they are too high, then I am kind of out of luck because my rears in emotive in walls and I have treatments right below. Maybe the distance between the surrounds and ceilings doesn't matter as much, but all the papers I have seen from Dolby suggest you put the surrounds at ear level, I could see my setup working if I had say 10' or high ceilings. I also think I might run into an issue as the .2 or .4 is on the same axis as the FL and FR and that puts them almost right next to my side surrounds. This is precisely why the original promise of Atmos was so wonderful. Unless you're building a new room, and have 100% control of how things are laid out, you'll almost certainly have to make compromises on speaker location. Many of us originally believed Atmos would compensate for these compromises (within reason). Here's hoping for version 2... |
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Post by bluescale on Sept 23, 2014 17:47:33 GMT -5
Sorry but my mind went in the gutter on this one. Don't ask me why, but I got this image in my mind of porn in 3D with Atmos sound. YIKES!!!! Get ready for the Atmos remastered version of Caligula... |
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Post by hemster on Sept 23, 2014 17:56:49 GMT -5
A lot of people think of Atmos in terms of big action sequences and whiz bang sound effects. I liked your statement about Atmos being short for atmosphere: "the pervading tone or mood of a place, situation, or work of art." Atmos can do this like nothing else we've experienced in sound yet. Sorry but my mind went in the gutter on this one. Don't ask me why, but I got this image in my mind of porn in 3D with Atmos sound. YIKES!!!! Just wait for AtmosSense... movies in feel-a-rama!  |
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Post by Dark Ranger on Sept 23, 2014 18:00:04 GMT -5
Sorry but my mind went in the gutter on this one. Don't ask me why, but I got this image in my mind of porn in 3D with Atmos sound. YIKES!!!! Just wait for AtmosSense... movies in feel-a-rama! Terms like "sitting in the sweet spot" and "buttkickers" carry a whole new meaning.  |
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