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Post by garbulky on Sept 27, 2014 17:39:07 GMT -5
It's the bigger power supply, larger chassis, greater weight, and higher shipping cost (still higher than expected). What also makes it attractive (besides using the least amount of rack space) is that it competes well power wise with an XPA-5 and (2) XPA-1's. That is, when using it for HT you get 200W all the way around, but when listening to 2 channel you get 520W to your Fronts. No big Class A like the 1's, but still a compelling amp for double duty. Many of the amps have prices that reflect the increased component cost. Each amp gets heavier, bigger transformer, etc. It is a huge amp. I think it's the freight shipping that screws up the typical curve. I could see $400 bump. Beyond that? That's gotta be freight. It's the freight shipping that makes the XPRs as expensive as they are now. That being said - the specs look nice and clean! I still want to see the XPR-7 come to market. Have you seen the sherbourn PA7-350? That's likely what it would be designed after. 350 wattsX 7@ 8 ohms, 550WX7 @ 4 ohms . 100 Pounds. 3.3 KVA transformer.
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 27, 2014 17:42:51 GMT -5
I think Emotiva should go back to being practical.......Moneywise...
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Post by Jim on Sept 27, 2014 18:00:11 GMT -5
Many of the amps have prices that reflect the increased component cost. Each amp gets heavier, bigger transformer, etc. It is a huge amp. I think it's the freight shipping that screws up the typical curve. I could see $400 bump. Beyond that? That's gotta be freight. It's the freight shipping that makes the XPRs as expensive as they are now. That being said - the specs look nice and clean! I still want to see the XPR-7 come to market. Have you seen the sherbourn PA7-350? That's likely what it would be designed after. 350 wattsX 7@ 8 ohms, 550WX7 @ 4 ohms . 100 Pounds. 3.3 KVA transformer. I have. I discounted it because I needed/wanted matching amps. I bought 2 XPR-5s instead. I regret not picking one up at the close out pricing though! Since the PA7-350 amp design was done ages ago I'm surprised that the XPR-7 hasn't been mass produced is all. I'm sure it will be some day..
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Post by dragonV on Sept 27, 2014 21:01:45 GMT -5
No international shipping is a bummer. Still with bongo prices it would probably cost a grand to ship
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 27, 2014 21:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by geebo on Sept 27, 2014 21:23:02 GMT -5
I think Emotiva should go back to being practical.......Moneywise... Is there a better deal for a 7 channel amp with the XPA-7's specs? The Outlaw is $250 more and shipping isn't included.
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 28, 2014 13:41:15 GMT -5
I think Emotiva should go back to being practical.......Moneywise... Is there a better deal for a 7 channel amp with the XPA-7's specs? The Outlaw is $250 more and shipping isn't included. I understand and I agree with you 100% if you going to buy brand new. Just be mindful some folks don't mind buying used gear. In addition, folks which already own a good two channel amp might opt for a five channel one instead.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 28, 2014 13:43:17 GMT -5
Many of the amps have prices that reflect the increased component cost. Each amp gets heavier, bigger transformer, etc. It is a huge amp. I think it's the freight shipping that screws up the typical curve. I could see $400 bump. Beyond that? That's gotta be freight. It's the freight shipping that makes the XPRs as expensive as they are now. That being said - the specs look nice and clean! I still want to see the XPR-7 come to market. Have you seen the sherbourn PA7-350? That's likely what it would be designed after. 350 wattsX 7@ 8 ohms, 550WX7 @ 4 ohms . 100 Pounds. 3.3 KVA transformer. Actually, the Sherbourn was the XPR-7 with another faceplate. The XPR-7 was the first ever XPR design. Then Big Dan bought Sherbourn. Big Dan decided to give the XPR-7 to Sherbourn. Link rewind to 2009: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/6457Pics are broken. Same thread on the XPR-series: emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/205484/thread
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Post by smfins on Sept 28, 2014 20:41:48 GMT -5
For what Emo is asking for the XPA-7, and it is not an outrageous sum, I think I would be inclined to go with Crown XLS amps instead. And there is NO problem shipping those lightweights beasts anywhere in the world. The Crown XLS1500s can be found on Amazon for $325 ea. with free shipping. 4 of those would set you back $1300 and give you 8 channels of 300 watts/ch. (8 ohms, 525 at 4 ohms) amplification for $1300 versus $1600 for the Emo which has 215 (8 ohm, 300 watts at 4 ohm) watts/ch... SCT Are the Crowm amps musical or just raw power? Im assuming they are class D?
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 28, 2014 21:49:04 GMT -5
For what Emo is asking for the XPA-7, and it is not an outrageous sum, I think I would be inclined to go with Crown XLS amps instead. And there is NO problem shipping those lightweights beasts anywhere in the world. The Crown XLS1500s can be found on Amazon for $325 ea. with free shipping. 4 of those would set you back $1300 and give you 8 channels of 300 watts/ch. (8 ohms, 525 at 4 ohms) amplification for $1300 versus $1600 for the Emo which has 215 (8 ohm, 300 watts at 4 ohm) watts/ch... SCT Are the Crowm amps musical or just raw power? Im assuming they are class D? Well, I don't know how "musical" an amp needs to be for movies.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 28, 2014 22:40:16 GMT -5
Is there a better deal for a 7 channel amp with the XPA-7's specs? The Outlaw is $250 more and shipping isn't included. I understand and I agree with you 100% if you going to buy brand new. Just be mindful some folks don't mind buying used gear. In addition, folks which already own a good two channel amp might opt for a five channel one instead. What does buying used or buying a five channel amp have to do with this new high power seven channel amp? The XPA-5 has always been available for those who already have two channels or only need five? They also have the U series amps for those who don't want to spend as much. I still don't get your point, do you just want everything to be cheaper?
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 29, 2014 0:00:21 GMT -5
I understand and I agree with you 100% if you going to buy brand new. Just be mindful some folks don't mind buying used gear. In addition, folks which already own a good two channel amp might opt for a five channel one instead. What does buying used or buying a five channel amp have to do with this new high power seven channel amp? The XPA-5 has always been available for those who already have two channels or only need five? They also have the U series amps for those who don't want to spend as much. I still don't get your point, do you just want everything to be cheaper? It seems like you have indeed got my point!
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Post by geebo on Sept 29, 2014 6:59:05 GMT -5
What does buying used or buying a five channel amp have to do with this new high power seven channel amp? The XPA-5 has always been available for those who already have two channels or only need five? They also have the U series amps for those who don't want to spend as much. I still don't get your point, do you just want everything to be cheaper? It seems like you have indeed got my point! But you must agree that Emotiva has to make money selling and shipping it, right? And there are less costly than the competition.
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Post by sct on Sept 29, 2014 7:27:02 GMT -5
>> Are the Crowm amps musical or just raw power? Im assuming they are class D? <<
Well, Andrew Robinson was fairly well bowled over by the Crown amps and highly recommended them. And they are widely used by pros for amplifying live musical events. So I reckon they are both powerful and "musical". And yes, they are Class D with some very special tweaks created by Harman and TI engineers. IMHO, they are the very best value amps you can buy today...
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Post by jonas79 on Sept 29, 2014 16:28:35 GMT -5
It seems like you have indeed got my point! But you must agree that Emotiva has to make money selling and shipping it, right? And there are less costly than the competition. I hope for 1399 Usd but than the first indication was 1499 USD. So 1599 Usd are 200 Usd higher. If a new 20% E-club are coming up i will be tempted to buy it and get it shipped to Sweden with www.shopusa.com .
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Post by integraman on Sept 29, 2014 17:42:43 GMT -5
not impressed at ALL with the price.
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Post by hemster on Sept 29, 2014 18:01:27 GMT -5
As noted earlier, there are alternatives in the market but they're not necessarily cheaper. For the money this beast of an amp is excellent value. If I didn't already own a Sherbourn PA7-350, I'd be looking at the XPA-7. OTOH if I still had my XPA-5 (which I loved) I'd likely add a 2-channel amp to the mix. I can't see many people who already own the XPA-5 to upgrade to the XPA-7 (unless its a space issue). Then there are those who'd prefer the XPR series. And those for whom the UPA series is sufficient. So it's good to have a choice.
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Post by danny01 on Sept 29, 2014 18:21:20 GMT -5
For those comparing it to the outlaw, in all fairness, the Outlaw does have a larger transformer and the price differential is about on par with the difference in transformer size. I think the Outlaw is made in the usa, but I might be wrong on that. I think the outlaw and emotiva offer similar value.
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Post by smfins on Sept 29, 2014 22:16:08 GMT -5
Are the Crowm amps musical or just raw power? Im assuming they are class D? Well, I don't know how "musical" an amp needs to be for movies. Umm Lets see, Maybe because with the XMC-1 it can be used for Home theater yet have excellent two channel audio. Even with my current Denon I'm using for a processor I've heard significant differences in various amps regarding two channel audio and BluRay concerts of good quality. I've never heard a Class D amp that sounds as good as a good Class A/B amp. I plan to use my system for both two channel and Home theater. Also, High Quality Bluray Concerts definitely benefit from an amp that is "Musical".
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 29, 2014 23:10:43 GMT -5
Well, I don't know how "musical" an amp needs to be for movies. Umm Lets see, Maybe because with the XMC-1 it can be used for Home theater yet have excellent two channel audio. Even with my current Denon I'm using for a processor I've heard significant differences in various amps regarding two channel audio and BluRay concerts of good quality. I've never heard a Class D amp that sounds as good as a good Class A/B amp. I plan to use my system for both two channel and Home theater. Also, High Quality Bluray Concerts definitely benefit from an amp that is "Musical". There are many many many individuals that unlike yourself have heard a Class D and preferred it over the Class A/B amps. Hence,very subjectively, there are Class D amps that are more "Musical" than Class A/B amps.
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