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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 19, 2015 14:25:17 GMT -5
IMO, of which I owned the XSP-1 G1, and auditioned the XSP-1 G2, the XMC-1 does NOT need a dedicated 2-channel preamp such as the XSP-1 G1 or G2. The XMC-1s 2-channel (stereo) is that outstanding. IMO, owning an XMC-1 and then adding an XSP-1 to your system would be redundant; therefore, an unnecessary expenditure. Now, sound processors of lesser sound quality of which focus more on "bells and whistles" versus sound quality may need the additional expenditure of a separate 2-channel preamp to attain the analog (stereo) 2-channel performance of the XMC-1. For me, and for now, I desire to forgo the additional expenditure of purchasing a dedicated 2 channel preamp for I find it unnecessary because the XMC-1's 2-channel performance is that good. (I have absolutely NO desire to expand to Atmos for I prefer quality over quantity.) It's hard for some to accept that there are people in this hobby (us with self esteem issues ) that could give a rat's behind about Atmos at present. While I'm excited for those that are passionate about Dolby Atmos/DTS-X, I'm also not at all interested in accommodating my current home theater/living room with the appropriate ceiling/height speakers that it would take do a proper Dolby Atmos/DTS-X setup. Maybe someday I'll have another home and then I can properly plan a "Man Cave", but until then priority-wise, this doesn't even make a blip on my radar of things to do. For the foreseeable future I'll have to experience the "Immersive" sound commercially at the local movie theater. As for the XMC-1, I'll just have to put up with its obsolescence for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 14:36:03 GMT -5
I was referring to those that are 2 channel purists. Those that wouldn't fathom 2 channel go through any alteration using RC
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 14:42:53 GMT -5
That's not exactly the same is it? You don't get Dirac. Unless there's an $800 processor that does Atmos and Dirac that I'm unaware of. And, I believe you have said that you like Dirac a lot better than XT32. Once you add the minidsp for Dirac, this becomes more expensive than the XMC-1, does it not? Of course it's not the same. But if you're bent on keeping up with the Joneses to inflate your self esteem you'll try anything. Nope no wanting to keep up with joneses here Just enjoying a home theater where I know I am hearing it as mixed and intended from the director. No one watches movies in my Ht but me and my family. I could care less what anyone else has Or thinks Hence why at times I strongly dislike this forum. Cause if you swim up current you are attacked forwards and backwards. I for the umpteenth time direct you to the title of this thread. Xmc vs 7702. They are comparable except for the surround sound features. One features the latest and best practice technology. The other doesn't It's for the consumer to decide which best suits his/her needs But to attack someone or the format that is pointing those differences out is wrong. Especially since this is the intent of the thread. Not lets bow down to the xmc-1. This thread should point out the differences between the two And now that the price difference (actual retail. Not on sale even though I thought a year ago Emo swore they would never happen again...lol more Emo word play) they are apples and oranges. 1200 vs 2500 IMHO no contest. If you feel sound quality of 2 channel is that important. As I have stated there are ways to equal the xmc1 and STILL save money. And not have an outdated cap of your decoding capability. If you have no desire for atmos. Good for you. But if you bought an atmos avr anyway to say you own the latest and greatest THAT is keeping up with the joneses. Not if you actual implement it and enjoy it and consider it the biggest tech improvement to surround sound since dd
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Post by unsound on Dec 19, 2015 14:44:30 GMT -5
I was referring to those that are 2 channel purists. Those that wouldn't fathom 2 channel go through any alteration using RC If they are 2-channel purists why do they need an Atmos AVR? If you mean they don't need any correction in 2-channel mode, the XMC can accommodate that (Reference Stereo) and it can accommodate Dirac in multi-channel mode. So, your alternate system doesn't match up. You can prefer the presence of Atmos to the presence of Dirac - that's your choice. But, you can't say both those systems are equivalent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 14:47:25 GMT -5
I was referring to those that are 2 channel purists. Those that wouldn't fathom 2 channel go through any alteration using RC If they are 2-channel purists why do they need an Atmos AVR? If you mean they don't need any correction in 2-channel mode, the XMC can accommodate that (Reference Stereo) and it can accommodate Dirac in multi-channel mode. So, your alternate system doesn't match up. You can prefer the presence of Atmos to the presence of Dirac - that's your choice. But, you can't say both those systems are equivalent. Umm you can be a 2 channel purist when listening to....wait for it...2 channel! And still have a need for multichannel for movies And guess what?! I HAVE Atmos and Dirac!! Oh my gosh. Say it ain't so.....and guess what....2 channel sounds amazing. Just as it did when I had xmc1.....blasphemy!!!!! My god do you really need it spelled out for you??? Or are you just angle shooting me I've said my peice. I can't take the fan boyism If emotiva had atmos I guarantee there would be much less naysaying I'm done with this discussion. I fee like I'm dealing with middle schoolers.
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Post by Axis on Dec 19, 2015 14:51:16 GMT -5
Is there a Poll somewhere on who has speakers installed required for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X and those who do not ? I would say most that post and read here and other forums enjoy this hobby very much. Most here and there will leap tall buildings in a single bound to have a nice system from what I notice. With that thought, it would be interesting to know how many people currently have the speakers setup for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X.
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Post by geebo on Dec 19, 2015 14:57:12 GMT -5
Of course it's not the same. But if you're bent on keeping up with the Joneses to inflate your self esteem you'll try anything. Nope no wanting to keep up with joneses here Just enjoying a home theater where I know I am hearing it as mixed and intended from the director. No one watches movies in my Ht but me and my family. I could care less what anyone else has Or thinks Hence why at times I strongly dislike this forum. Cause if you swim up current you are attacked forwards and backwards. I for the umpteenth time direct you to the title of this thread. Xmc vs 7702. They are comparable except for the surround sound features. One features the latest and best practice technology. The other doesn't It's for the consumer to decide which best suits his/her needs But to attack someone or the format that is pointing those differences out is wrong. Especially since this is the intent of the thread. Not lets bow down to the xmc-1. This thread should point out the differences between the two And now that the price difference (actual retail. Not on sale even though I thought a year ago these saws would never happen again...lol more Emo word play) they are apples and oranges. 1200 vs 2500 IMHO no contest. If you feel sound quality of 2 channel is that important. As I have stated there are ways to equal the xmc1 and STILL save money. And not have an outdated cap of your decoding capability. If you have no desire for atmos. Good for you. But if you bought an atmos avr anyway to say you own the latest and greatest THAT is keeping up with the joneses. Not if you actual implement it and enjoy it and consider it the biggest tech improvement to surround sound since dd You feel Atmos is the best thing since surround. Good for you! But realize there are those that just don't agree with you. Many here already know what they want, have it and enjoy it. It doesn't mean they have self esteem issues. Good grief.
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Post by Poodleluvr on Dec 19, 2015 15:09:33 GMT -5
If they are 2-channel purists why do they need an Atmos AVR? If you mean they don't need any correction in 2-channel mode, the XMC can accommodate that (Reference Stereo) and it can accommodate Dirac in multi-channel mode. So, your alternate system doesn't match up. You can prefer the presence of Atmos to the presence of Dirac - that's your choice. But, you can't say both those systems are equivalent. Umm you can be a 2 channel purist when listening to....wait for it...2 channel! And still have a need for multichannel for movies And guess what?! I HAVE Atmos and Dirac!! Oh my gosh. Say it ain't so.....and guess what....2 channel sounds amazing. Just as it did when I had xmc1.....blasphemy!!!!! My god do you really need it spelled out for you??? Or are you just angle shooting me I've said my peice. I can't take the fan boyism If emotiva had atmos I guarantee there would be much less naysaying I'm done with this discussion. I fee like I'm dealing with middle schoolers. "I'm going to take my ball and go home!" I want to be in control of the situation and if I can't then no one is going to be allowed to be happy about the outcome. The expression comes from the playground where one kid, the one who owns the soccer ball or basket ball, doesn't get his way in the game. If he doesn't get his way then he gets mad and punishes those who are unwilling to accept his mandate. He does this my taking his ball and going home thus ending the game and any fun the participants were having. The expression "I'm going to take my ball and go home" when directed at an individual is used to illustrate the individual's immaturity when that person can't get his way and no longer wants to be a participant in the conversation or a contributor to solving a problem. bmoney: "Its my solution or this meeting is over and I'm out of here. You guys will just have to work this weekend without me to fix the problem." geebo: "bmoney sounds like a little brat who says: I'm going to take my ball and go home!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 15:09:39 GMT -5
When they start a dedicated thread bashing it and say "who's with me" lol. Pretty sure that's self esteem issues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 15:27:17 GMT -5
Holy Christ almighty... why the hell can't people understand that no one is bashing emotiva and atmos isn't the greatest thing under the sun and that the f'n ignorance on this board is so deep in the f'n loyalists that they turn around someone's words to make themselves feel like their the only ones who could ever be correct... this place has far more knowledge and information than other places yet you all act like there is only one f'n brand worthy of approval.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 19, 2015 15:45:11 GMT -5
Just enjoying a home theater where I know I am hearing it as mixed and intended from the director. You do realise that the Atmos mix you are listening to in your HT is not the same Atmos mix as what is available in commercial theatres. So there is very little chance that you are "hearing it ........... as intended from the director". Well you damn well should, for there to be more content (for you to watch) there needs to be more demand and without consumers accepting Amtos you're out on your own. Your early adopted format will end up the same as the other formats that failed to gain sufficient accepted in the marketplace. That's the risk you are talking, which you are fully entitled to do, but you shouldn't knock those that have a more prudent view and are circumspect when it comes to choosing technology that may or may not end up being the next laser disc, mini disk, beta max etc. Cheers Gary
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 15:50:14 GMT -5
Just enjoying a home theater where I know I am hearing it as mixed and intended from the director. You do realise that the Atmos mix you are listening to in your HT is not the same Atmos mix as what is available in commercial theatres. So there is very little chance that you are "hearing it ........... as intended from the director". Well you damn well should, for there to be more content (for you to watch) there needs to be more demand and without consumers accepting Amtos you're out on your own. Your early adopted format will end up the same as the other formats that failed to gain sufficient accepted in the marketplace. That's the risk you are talking, which you are fully entitled to do, but you shouldn't knock those that have a more prudent view and are circumspect when it comes to choosing technology that may or may not end up being the next laser disc, mini disk, beta max etc. Cheers Gary You do realize the director has say in the home mix as well?! And if you had any knowledge of what's in store from 4K bluray. You would know that immersive audio will be the standard And NOT buying a current avr that EVERY major manufacturer now includes and implementing it ISNT prudent?! Lol ok And I have NEVER EVER knocked anyone for their choice. Please quote me where I have. And despite what this forum thinks. You all are a VERY small population. Atmos is being implemented much more than what you are reading here. And it's only been available a year. Anyhow. I would like to be done with this conversation. So please stop directly quoting me. It forces me through notification to read this nonsense and fee obligated to reply Thanks.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 19, 2015 16:42:10 GMT -5
You do realise that the Atmos mix you are listening to in your HT is not the same Atmos mix as what is available in commercial theatres. So there is very little chance that you are "hearing it ........... as intended from the director". Well you damn well should, for there to be more content (for you to watch) there needs to be more demand and without consumers accepting Amtos you're out on your own. Your early adopted format will end up the same as the other formats that failed to gain sufficient accepted in the marketplace. That's the risk you are talking, which you are fully entitled to do, but you shouldn't knock those that have a more prudent view and are circumspect when it comes to choosing technology that may or may not end up being the next laser disc, mini disk, beta max etc. You do realize the director has say in the home mix as well?! Maybe, maybe not, it probably varies between movies and movie studios. For example I asked the director of Fury Road and he said he had no input into the HT Atmos mix, the sound mixer made the calls based on the system limitations. There are substantial differences between the commercial mix, real time rendering, and the HT mix which is severely limited by bandwidth. Hence why the HT mix does not include the 128 objects encoded. I'm not as close to the movie industry as I was but I'm still close enough to hear the chatter about stalled adoption of technology like 3D and the reluctance to fall for it again. This year, but what about next year, is that the year of Auro? Or the year after, DTS-X turn? An example perhaps; I fee like I'm dealing with middle schoolers. And the Atmos population is a very tiny part of that small population. Dolby launched Atmos in April 2012, that's ~4 years. The first Atmos theatre was opened late in 2012. So Atmos encoding has been around for quite a while, the issue was in adapting it for HT use, which proved to take some time and involved a number of compromises. Compromises that still exist, compromises that are not necessary in DTS-X. Unlike Atmos, DTS-X has no speaker positioning limitations which is somewhat important for HT enthusiasts. As I mentioned previously and perhaps more importantly for movie studios it is a "mix once" process for all installations, no remixing required. And the big killer is that DTS-X is open format, licensing fee free. It's easy, just turn off notifications. Cheers Gary
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Post by unsound on Dec 19, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -5
If they are 2-channel purists why do they need an Atmos AVR? If you mean they don't need any correction in 2-channel mode, the XMC can accommodate that (Reference Stereo) and it can accommodate Dirac in multi-channel mode. So, your alternate system doesn't match up. You can prefer the presence of Atmos to the presence of Dirac - that's your choice. But, you can't say both those systems are equivalent. Umm you can be a 2 channel purist when listening to....wait for it...2 channel! And still have a need for multichannel for movies And guess what?! I HAVE Atmos and Dirac!! Oh my gosh. Say it ain't so.....and guess what....2 channel sounds amazing. Just as it did when I had xmc1.....blasphemy!!!!! My god do you really need it spelled out for you??? Or are you just angle shooting me I've said my peice. I can't take the fan boyism If emotiva had atmos I guarantee there would be much less naysaying I'm done with this discussion. I fee like I'm dealing with middle schoolers. Let's get this straight. You suggested that a $700 AVR with Atmos + DC-1 + XSP-1 is the equivalent of the XMC-1. I'm saying that those 2 are not equivalent. They may be equivalent in 2-channel listening, but there was no such constraint in the discussion leading up to your post. If saying those 2 are not equivalent makes me a fan boy. So be it. To me, it makes me a normal person that isn't desperately trying to push some agenda. Do note, that I never said which one is better, just that they are not equivalent. To me, the fact that you can't accept that you made a simple mistake, indicates that you have some agenda and you don't care about what's right and what' isn't. Now, you mention having Atmos and Dirac. Good for you. But, that has nothing to do with your original post that I pointed out wasn't accurate. If you had said, like you have before that the 7702 + Minidsp gives you everthing the XMC-1 does, I wouldn't have posted what I did. So grow up and learn to accept when you've made a mistake if you want people to take you seriously. Hope that's spelled out enough for you.
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 19, 2015 16:47:33 GMT -5
Now that this thread has officially outlived its usefulness and most members have repeated themselves more than a few times at this point, I'll be locking it at 17:00/5pm EST in an attempt to keep what peace may actually exist. If you have something that you just have to say, now is the time. Clock is ticking.
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Post by unsound on Dec 19, 2015 16:57:01 GMT -5
Holy Christ almighty... why the hell can't people understand that no one is bashing emotiva and atmos isn't the greatest thing under the sun and that the f'n ignorance on this board is so deep in the f'n loyalists that they turn around someone's words to make themselves feel like their the only ones who could ever be correct... this place has far more knowledge and information than other places yet you all act like there is only one f'n brand worthy of approval. As far as I can tell, not too many people have an issue with someone saying Atmos is great. Most people are taking issue with claims that the XMC-1 is obsolete or outdated. It is clear to everyone that the priorities that went into the XMC-1 had more to do with audio quality and less to do with a list of features. Everyone is free to like and buy what the want. But, to claim that something is outdated because of its price (that's the first time I've seen that claimed) or obsolete because it doesn't have bleeding edge technology just isn't accurate. I'm assuming you would consider all movie theaters that don't have Atmos to be obsolete?
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 19, 2015 17:05:45 GMT -5
Now that this thread has officially outlived its usefulness and most members have repeated themselves more than a few times at this point, I'll be locking it at 17:00/5pm EST in an attempt to keep what peace may actually exist. If you have something that you just have to say, now is the time. Clock is ticking. .........thread closed.
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