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Post by ocezam on Feb 5, 2015 16:08:44 GMT -5
XPA-5 is too powerful for the speakers i am looking at i would think No such thing. And are you sure these speakers you are looking at will be the last speakers you buy? also it is so cumbersome and heavy,not easy to move around Yep. Not too sure people move their gear around much though.... so does Emotiva have any plans of making a 4 channel amp in the XPA line? Emotiva's amp line up is HUGE. They can't make an amp for every conceivable scenario. I doubt you'll see a 4 channel amp. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 5, 2015 16:22:24 GMT -5
Okay guys these are ceiling speakers. You want him to spend a $1000 to amp that setup with an XPA-5?! I'd say most he needs is a UPA-500.
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Post by ocezam on Feb 5, 2015 16:26:16 GMT -5
Okay guys these are ceiling speakers. You want him to spend a $1000 to amp that setup with an XPA-5?! I'd say most he needs is a UPA-500. I didn't recommend he spend anything. I just disagree with the XPA-5 being overpowered. And I think if anybody is waiting for a four channel amp, they're gonna be waiting a while. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 5, 2015 18:00:19 GMT -5
You may be able to find a UPA-500 as a b-stock item, if you check enough...
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Post by tsunamijhoe on Feb 6, 2015 11:25:36 GMT -5
XPA-5 is too powerful for the speakers i am looking at i would think No such thing. And are you sure these speakers you are looking at will be the last speakers you buy? also it is so cumbersome and heavy,not easy to move around Yep. Not too sure people move their gear around much though.... so does Emotiva have any plans of making a 4 channel amp in the XPA line? Emotiva's amp line up is HUGE. They can't make an amp for every conceivable scenario. I doubt you'll see a 4 channel amp. No such thing as an amp too powerful? So i must have dreamt the blown speakers i have had over the years, when my old onkyo power amp fried the coils when i cranked up the volume? Granted,i might not have checked the specs properly before hookup,but according to you, this shouldn't have happened anyways, correct? ;-) Also, why not make equal number amps 4 or 6 chan? Well,4 makes more sense than 6 chan,but still. We will not see LESS speakers in our theaters in the future,so making a lineup where you can mix and match to the exact number of speakers you have would make sense, and it isnt like it is a huge change for Emotiva,seeing as they already have the tech,designs and everything else, they need to make it,so i don't think it is totally inconcievable to see a 4 chan amp.. Other companies make them,so why not Emotiva? that said, XPA-200 is a better fit,easier to move, easier to re-sell, and lower trafo hum,which i get from my current xpa-5 and xpa-2 |
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 6, 2015 11:31:33 GMT -5
No need to wait for someday, as Emotiva has some great combos or multi channel amplifiers today. One to fit that particular application, and then some. Pick any solution here, it will make you happy.
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Post by garbulky on Feb 6, 2015 12:13:34 GMT -5
No such thing. And are you sure these speakers you are looking at will be the last speakers you buy? Yep. Not too sure people move their gear around much though.... Emotiva's amp line up is HUGE. They can't make an amp for every conceivable scenario. I doubt you'll see a 4 channel amp. No such thing as an amp too powerful? So i must have dreamt the blown speakers i have had over the years, when my old onkyo power amp fried the coils when i cranked up the volume? Granted,i might not have checked the specs properly before hookup,but according to you, this shouldn't have happened anyways, correct? ;-) Also, why not make equal number amps 4 or 6 chan? Well,4 makes more sense than 6 chan,but still. We will not see LESS speakers in our theaters in the future,so making a lineup where you can mix and match to the exact number of speakers you have would make sense, and it isnt like it is a huge change for Emotiva,seeing as they already have the tech,designs and everything else, they need to make it,so i don't think it is totally inconcievable to see a 4 chan amp.. Other companies make them,so why not Emotiva? that said, XPA-200 is a better fit,easier to move, easier to re-sell, and lower trafo hum,which i get from my current xpa-5 and xpa-2 If the denon was not very powerful, then the coils likely fried from the amp clipping at loud volumes (under powered amp). When it clips something like direct current goes through and fries stuff fast. Though it does happen with over powered amps, in practise, under normal conditions you don't accidentally fry a speakers due to a capable amp. Not that it doesn't happen. Usually when it does, there will be some hints like the speaker hitting its limits, sound being way too loud, or more importantly being way too loud for a long time. For instance my axiom m80's are rated for 400 watts/channel. The model was tested for seven straight days at 700 watts pumping metallica in their lab without failure. That's nearly double what it's rated for. Now crank a denon avr up, and those axioms would fail within the hour imo. As for the amp. I promise I'm not trying to be condescending but there is a chance you may not know this. A 5 channel amp like the UPA-500 or XPA-5, when only four channels is being used - delivers more power than it's capable of to the four channels. That's because emotiva amps are rated for all channels driven but in reality a lot of the unused power goes towards the amp channels that need it. So 80 watts per channel UPA-500 can deliver 160 watts per channel when only two channels are driven. Now the price difference between a UPA-200 and UPA-500 was very little. And so was the price difference with a UPA-700 when it was out. What that meant was one could buy an amp with more channels knowing that the extra power would mostly not go to waste. |
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Post by teaman on Feb 6, 2015 12:20:57 GMT -5
I think the statement of no amp is too powerful is accurate. Obviously you have to be responsible and when the volume is turned up....know the limits of your speakers. I have fried 200 wpc rated speakers with a 40 wpc receiver in my younger years. The receiver clips and distortion takes over. In my opinion you cannot blow speakers with a more powerful amp, just you have to watch what you do with the volume control. Obviously if you are pumping 100 wpc into twenty watt speakers you have to limit the output of the amp.
I still say mate a good quality amp to a good quality speaker with about the same ratings for best results.
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Post by tsunamijhoe on Feb 6, 2015 14:09:59 GMT -5
I think the statement of no amp is too powerful is accurate. Obviously you have to be responsible and when the volume is turned up....know the limits of your speakers. I have fried 200 wpc rated speakers with a 40 wpc receiver in my younger years. The receiver clips and distortion takes over. In my opinion you cannot blow speakers with a more powerful amp, just you have to watch what you do with the volume control. Obviously if you are pumping 100 wpc into twenty watt speakers you have to limit the output of the amp. I still say mate a good quality amp to a good quality speaker with about the same ratings for best results. I get what you guys are saying, and i am way beyond the bad supermarket speakers of yesteryear,and i do have plans to upgrade my B&W to either a Klipsch THX Ultra 2 or a MK sound 150 set in the near future. But for now, like i mentioned in an earlier post,the UPA's do not have XLR and are thus not interesting, which again brings me back to XPA-200 which i would favor over the XPA-5 due to the simple fact,i can move them alone. Granted i dont plan on lugging them around,but from time to time you have to pull them out, add a cable or something,and this i cannot do with the XPA-2/5 they are simply too heavy for me. I even designed my own rack with wheels on it to house my current xpa-5/2, but this was a bad decision due to the fact that 90kg hifi equipment on heavy carpet makes wheels kinda obsolete,as they just dig in :-D **Note to self, never do wheels on carpets with amps that weigh as much as you do ;-)** This would also have been the case with a 4 chan amp should such exist, but since that discussion is moot, i might as well go over the current options,and chose what to me is the best choise. And XPA-200 seems like a great candidate, as i get smaller form factor, smaller toroidal=less hum, less weight per unit. |
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Post by garbulky on Feb 6, 2015 14:26:42 GMT -5
Go for it! The XPA_200 is a fantastic amp  |
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Post by bootman on Feb 6, 2015 14:57:05 GMT -5
Too much distortion is what kills speakers. Too much clean power never does. Well not before your ears start to give out first.  |
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Post by ocezam on Feb 6, 2015 21:30:28 GMT -5
No such thing as an amp too powerful? So i must have dreamt the blown speakers i have had over the years, when my old onkyo power amp fried the coils when i cranked up the volume? Granted,i might not have checked the specs properly before hookup,but according to you, this shouldn't have happened anyways, correct? Fact: You will fry drivers with clipping amps (read LOWER power) FAR sooner and much easier than an amp operating within it's range. Thankfully, I wasn't there when "your old onkyo power amp fried the coils when you cranked up the volume." Don't blame the amp, and don't blame your speakers, blame yourself. You over drove the driver, or the amp. Since I wasn't there, I do not know which YOU did. But with a lower powered amp, you could have fried the driver easier and sooner. If you'd had a 1000 watt amp we could be assured you didn't drive it to clipping. Do some research and get back with me. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 8, 2015 16:12:03 GMT -5
Since Emotiva is unlikely to be offering a 4 ch power amplifier in the near future, then the two XPA-200's option will certainly do the trick for extra Atmos speakers and then some. I personally haven't looked very hard at other manufacturer websites as of late, but I bet only a handful are offering up 4 channel amps these days. If you plan to go that route the only one I've found currently/readily available would be the NAD C245bee. Not much on the power side but certainly would be enough for surround and ceiling speakers. nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-245BEE-Four-Channel-Amplifier |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 8, 2015 16:52:44 GMT -5
If you are not in too big of a hurry - the UPA series 5-channel was just recently discontinued. But, it would surprise me if Emotiva didn't release a lower power 5 channel in the near future that is also lower in price than an XPA-5. Given the likely low power requirements of Atmos ceiling speakers, I would wait a few months if I could if I were you.
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Post by Jim on Feb 8, 2015 17:38:01 GMT -5
I vote for an XPR-5.
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Post by jlamo on Feb 8, 2015 21:39:03 GMT -5
XPA-5 is too powerful for the speakers i am looking at i would think No such thing. And are you sure these speakers you are looking at will be the last speakers you buy? also it is so cumbersome and heavy,not easy to move around Yep. Not too sure people move their gear around much though.... so does Emotiva have any plans of making a 4 channel amp in the XPA line? Emotiva's amp line up is HUGE. They can't make an amp for every conceivable scenario. I doubt you'll see a 4 channel amp. Emotiva does have a variety of amps but I thought that the 4 channel amp would work well as far as sales go due to the fact you can have one amp to biamp main speakers and if they made one it should come with a built in switch that you can choose to run two outputs from one input.Also for 6.1 systems . |
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Post by billz on Feb 15, 2015 11:34:59 GMT -5
I purchased the exact same equipment and I am searching for a 4 channel solution for Atmos ceiling speakers(also searching for a solution for these). I missed out on the UPA-500's that were recently available so may just go with 2 UPA-200's. Plenty of power (for my needs) but no XLR inputs so unfortunately these will not work for you.
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Post by moovtune on Mar 3, 2015 14:22:24 GMT -5
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