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Post by lesliew on Sept 20, 2015 8:54:34 GMT -5
Still... going over the top is sooooo cool! And we're not asking for 32 channels just a paltry 16 channels so can hardly be considered as OTT
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Post by rhale64 on Sept 26, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -5
Definitely not ott. Unless we are talking about over head speakers .lol
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Post by cwt on Oct 12, 2015 0:29:40 GMT -5
Just noticed a nice feature on the new classe ssp pre pro which would likely mitigate hdmi lock on issues similar to the xmc1 dsd one thats about to be solved with 3.1 . Would be nice to list this as a XMR-1 update one day ..
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Post by Jim on Mar 28, 2016 13:04:35 GMT -5
Has there been anything new that's come out since October of last year?
I'm not caught up with all the podcasts, but it seems like the XMR-1 front has been very quiet.
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Post by cwt on Mar 29, 2016 1:04:39 GMT -5
Has there been anything new that's come out since October of last year? I'm not caught up with all the podcasts, but it seems like the XMR-1 front has been very quiet. Cant recall anything of note as you surmise Jim unfortunately ; the emphasis has shifted to the new emersa line which is about to go into production
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Post by lesliew on Mar 30, 2016 15:57:12 GMT -5
Last word was that the XMR-1 is not even on the drawing board yet.
But to put it into perspective Denon/Marantz have delayed their next flagship product (Successors to 7200WA/ 8802A) until the end of 2017 most likely because there just isn't significant advantage in bringing out 13.1 or 15.1 processor at the moment plus audio DSP technology needs to go to 64bits before processors are able to decode the extra channels. Sure 64bit DSP's have been out for a few years but the 3D audio toolchains need to be moved to a 64bit platform before CEMs can put them into a product.
This all means that Emotiva being a boutique brand isn't likely to get into 64bit 3D-audio DSP technology required by a 16 channels XMR-1 before the big boys have it in their own products.
XMR-1 -> mid to late 2018, my current opinion
There is certainly mileage in Emotiva developing an 11.1 channel XMC-2 in the interim.
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Post by Jim on Mar 30, 2016 19:10:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately with the newer level of communication "on the drawing board" or not just doesn't seem to be mentioned anymore. I suspect that it's there..... Since it takes a phenomenal amount of work... We just won't know what stage it's at....
Your mentions of where the other manufacturers is - is very interesting. I could easily see 2018. I'm okay with that. I have lots of other HT work to get done! I agree with the mentality of "not before the big boys get it".
I'd rather wait for a mature product than buy one twice. They were "slow" (or I could say careful) to launch the XMC-1 and I think it paid off.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 30, 2016 20:28:20 GMT -5
Last word was that the XMR-1 is not even on the drawing board yet Where did you hear that? Last I heard, it was fairly far along. Mark
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 30, 2016 20:31:17 GMT -5
Last word was that the XMR-1 is not even on the drawing board yet Where did you hear that? Last I heard, it was fairly far along. Mark Any idea what fairly far equates to?
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Post by Jim on Mar 30, 2016 20:47:57 GMT -5
"Fairly far" is the same thing as "soon".
It's much like this video: A mechanical calculator trying to divide by zero:
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Post by lesliew on Mar 30, 2016 21:00:36 GMT -5
Last word was that the XMR-1 is not even on the drawing board yet Where did you hear that? Last I heard, it was fairly far along. Mark Come on Mark .... keep up
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 30, 2016 21:14:22 GMT -5
I thought is was far along too. Seeing as though it was mentioned on a website as FIRST QUARTER 2016 release date. This is the same website that gave us the actual name of it. I believe it was the Audioholics website with the Dtsx press release.
I know of only one person that said it wasn't even on the drawing board yet. Even though Dan said it was moving along in the first podcast mention of it. Moving along and not even on the drawing board are polar opposites.
So where did the info of not even on the drawing board come from?
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Post by millst on Mar 31, 2016 3:06:45 GMT -5
The same site that mentioned the HDMI upgrade board would be available by the end of 2015...
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2016 4:52:28 GMT -5
I recall what rhale64 States, with words fro Emotiva like design complete, working prototype, etc. My suspicion is that there are two things holding it up. They have been busy with high priority (high volume) products (new XPA, Emersa, and BasX) and they are waiting for better video options.
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 31, 2016 7:39:39 GMT -5
This seems like the best answer. This stuff is going so slowly now. How long has 4k been here? And for Momentum to only have a 4in 1 out with only one of the 4 ins 4k that is sloooow in adopting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 7:49:41 GMT -5
they initially said first Q of 2016
but when the gen3 and emersa lines were introduced (fall tech show...Its name escapes me)...it was stated they are far off. only in development stages aka very far off.
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Post by lesliew on Mar 31, 2016 8:52:35 GMT -5
I recall what rhale64 States, with words fro Emotiva like design complete, working prototype, etc. My suspicion is that there are two things holding it up. They have been busy with high priority (high volume) products (new XPA, Emersa, and BasX) and they are waiting for better video options. Mark Listen, we're all probably right and probably wrong at the same time. Does a block diagram exist of the XMR-1s requirements which says we can re-use 50% of the XMC-1's logic and OS design, MDS 4K video card, MDS 3D audio card, Dirac/Dirac Unison etc etc well YES it probably does exist. Is this at an advanced stage, i.e Emotiva is 95% sure that it has the main building blocks of the XMR-1 identified, the answer again is probably YES. Does that mean its moving along nicely - well it depends on who you talk to. Has it moved beyond that initial requirements stage probably NOT. What I can summize and this is just my opinion is that at this stage there are so many missing parts which Emotiva are dependent on from 3rd parties there is little chance that the XMR-1 has entered the design stage of development and therefore the XMR-1 is a long... way off from being a finished product.
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Post by lesliew on Mar 31, 2016 8:57:04 GMT -5
This seems like the best answer. This stuff is going so slowly now. How long has 4k been here? And for Momentum to only have a 4in 1 out with only one of the 4 ins 4k that is sloooow in adopting Emotiva is actually in good company, Trinnov, Datasat, Theta and Emotiva are all waiting on Momentum's 4K video card.
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Post by Jim on Mar 31, 2016 9:38:40 GMT -5
This seems like the best answer. This stuff is going so slowly now. How long has 4k been here? And for Momentum to only have a 4in 1 out with only one of the 4 ins 4k that is sloooow in adopting Emotiva is actually in good company, Trinnov, Datasat, Theta and Emotiva are all waiting on Momentum's 4K video card. I realize that I'm pretty ignorant when understanding the processor ecosystem, but how does Momentum fit into everything? I'm familiar with their website, but do their products tend to be integrated into the higher end / modular processors? Whereas the Denon/Yammaha, etc of the world cram everything onto their own boards and develop things as one big monolithic topology? I heard Momentum a few times in the context of XMC-1 (mostly Emotiva being grateful for Momentum being such a good partner).
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Post by lesliew on Mar 31, 2016 10:06:03 GMT -5
Emotiva is actually in good company, Trinnov, Datasat, Theta and Emotiva are all waiting on Momentum's 4K video card. I'm familiar with their website, but do their products tend to be integrated into the higher end / modular processors? Whereas the Denon/Yammaha, etc of the world cram everything onto their own boards and develop things as one big monolithic topology?You hit the nail right on its head Its a case of having greater buying power, economies of scale that the larger CEM's are able to have their own in-house design teams, whereas smaller bespoke companies have to outsource some of the design and development to third parties. In Emotiva's case they are using a modified version of MDS's HDMI/hdcp 1.4 board in the XMC-1. Other boutiques have used an off the shelf MDS board.
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