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Post by ocezam on Mar 11, 2015 16:04:59 GMT -5
I was comparing it to the XPR-2, not XPA-2. But I'll stand by my remarks. Any high end amp not RATED for 4 ohms is absurd. I personally don't mind if an amp doesn't double down into 4 ohms. Many really can't, and some manufacturers play games with the spec to make it appear to. However a high end amp should produce 170% or better into 4 ohms from it's 8 ohm spec. Otherwise I'd begin to question the stoutness of it's power supply. And again, I am far from being the only person claiming Levinson has lost much of it's ultra high quality since being bought by Harmon. When you ask $8K for a stereo amp it had better be incredibly upscale. I'd put the older Levinson stuff up there with Pass labs, but not any more. Also, I'd question what "several grades more refined" actually means? Beauty, and SQ, are in the eye of the beholder. Call me crazy but I wouldn't buy the No. 532H for half it's asking price. In fact the only amp in the group I'd consider (if I could afford it) is the Pass Labs X250.5. Then again that amp costs three times what I paid for my pair of XPR-1's straight from Emotiva. Yeah, I'll keep my XPRs.... I'm with you regarding the XPRs. I'd like to think I had a small role in your path to the XPR-1 by not acknowledging the XPA-1L's as true monoblocks...it goes without saying that the XPR-1s are TRUE MONOBLOCKS and then some!!!  Ha Ha. I do remember you giving me a hard time when I bought my XPA-1L pair. I didn't agree with you then, nor do I now, that an amp has to pass a certain threshhold of weight or power level before it's a certified mono-block. I don't think your remarks had much to do with my recent XPA-1 purchase, though I respect your opinion. I've owned a lot of Emotiva amps over the last 8 or so years. (Lot's of other brands in the preceding 35 years.) I've loved them each in it's own way. I also agree Emotiva doesn't have anything to prove. I think lots of mfgs have a lot of envy for Emotiva's popularity/success. And I guess I agree that Levinson's pricing is a bit more down to earth if you can wrap your head around an $8K amp being down to earth. I still do not personally lust after them. I do love Pass Labs though. Gorgeous! Peace |
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Post by Jim on Mar 11, 2015 16:35:32 GMT -5
The UPA-1 is a monobloc!!!
And here are some more explanation points for no reason!!!!!!
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2015 16:58:55 GMT -5
The UPA-1 is a monobloc!!! And here are some more explanation points for no reason!!!!!! I'll give you that! I think that's a great way to describe it. XPR-1 - MONOBLOCK!!!!!!! ARRGHHH!!!! XPA-1 - Monoblock! XPA-1L - monobloc All other mono amps under 70 lbs or don't need 2 people to lift - monobloc I guess my point with the $8k amps is that if I really want them, I can get them. But $20k amps...I don't care how badly I want them, I can't get em. That's my personal economics. But with my 2 amps, I don't lust after any amp just bc I know the cost / benefit ratio isn't there. ocezam, c'mon admit it! I raised your standards way way up there to the XPR-1!!!!! AARGH!!!! . |
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Post by Cogito on Mar 11, 2015 17:02:30 GMT -5
Nothing to get excited about. These folks already think the Emotiva is cheap, Chinese, Mid-Fi. After all, how could a $800 amp sound as good as amps costing thousands more, right? My expected result will most likely be something like "Emotiva held it's own under the constraints of it's budget, but for a more "refined" high-end performance, look elsewhere."
Then again, I COULD be wrong and they will be blown away "rethink high-end" like most Emotiva owners have.
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Post by garbulky on Mar 11, 2015 17:06:14 GMT -5
I'd be impressed if Emotiva can compete well against those more expensive offerings. Best of luck to them!
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Post by Jim on Mar 11, 2015 17:28:56 GMT -5
At least HTS has it in the comparison. I have to give them that much.
I'd be surprised if AVS would even include it in an evaluation.
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Post by Jim on Mar 11, 2015 17:30:54 GMT -5
Nothing to get excited about. These folks already think the Emotiva is cheap, Chinese, Mid-Fi. After all, how could a $800 amp sound as good as amps costing thousands more, right? My expected result will most likely be something like "Emotiva held it's own under the constraints of it's budget, but for a more "refined" high-end performance, look elsewhere." Then again, I COULD be wrong and they will be blown away "rethink high-end" like most Emotiva owners have. Hey. No writing their review for them! Sure would be nice if the review isn't a diplomatic "thanks but no thanks". |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 11, 2015 17:37:12 GMT -5
I'm with you regarding the XPRs. I'd like to think I had a small role in your path to the XPR-1 by not acknowledging the XPA-1L's as true monoblocks...it goes without saying that the XPR-1s are TRUE MONOBLOCKS and then some!!! Let me see if I got this right, you made a factual mistake in not acknowledging the XPA-1Ls' as true monoblocks. By making this huge mistake you tricked someone into buying something else and you claim credit for doing it 
Unbelievable 
Cheers
Gary
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Post by ocezam on Mar 11, 2015 17:55:51 GMT -5
ocezam, c'mon admit it! I raised your standards way way up there to the XPR-1!!!!! AARGH!!!! . Nope. I slowly made my own way through Emotiva's offerings. And it's been a really fun journey. Nothing to get excited about. These folks already think the Emotiva is cheap, Chinese, Mid-Fi. After all, how could a $800 amp sound as good as amps costing thousands more, right? My expected result will most likely be something like "Emotiva held it's own under the constraints of it's budget, but for a more "refined" high-end performance, look elsewhere." Nope. I could be wrong but I think the concensus of this particular "shootout" will result in the "all amps sound the same" vein. Heck it appears about half or so of the "testers" already believe this. I'd be impressed if Emotiva can compete well against those more expensive offerings. Best of luck to them! I'd expect it in a truthful world. Probably not in this world though. At least HTS has it in the comparison. I have to give them that much. I'd be surprised if AVS would even include it in an evaluation. Yep. AVS definitely isn't a member of the truthful world. I'm with you regarding the XPRs. I'd like to think I had a small role in your path to the XPR-1 by not acknowledging the XPA-1L's as true monoblocks...it goes without saying that the XPR-1s are TRUE MONOBLOCKS and then some!!! Let me see if I got this right, you made a factual mistake in not acknowledging the XPA-1Ls' as true monoblocks. By making this huge mistake you tricked someone into buying something else and you claim credit for doing it?
Unbelievable
Cheers
Gary
Thanks for the rescue Gary, but I wasn't tricked into anything. I truly have enjoyed my personal journey through Emotiva's amps. They are each great pieces of gear. Peace |
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Post by Jim on Mar 11, 2015 18:24:50 GMT -5
3...2....1.... Silly monoblock battle.
Next up, Latin history, word roots and dividing by zero.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2015 19:39:41 GMT -5
I'm with you regarding the XPRs. I'd like to think I had a small role in your path to the XPR-1 by not acknowledging the XPA-1L's as true monoblocks...it goes without saying that the XPR-1s are TRUE MONOBLOCKS and then some!!! Let me see if I got this right, you made a factual mistake in not acknowledging the XPA-1Ls' as true monoblocks. By making this huge mistake you tricked someone into buying something else and you claim credit for doing it
Unbelievable
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2015 19:44:58 GMT -5
ocezam, c'mon admit it! I raised your standards way way up there to the XPR-1!!!!! AARGH!!!! . Nope. I slowly made my own way through Emotiva's offerings. And it's been a really fun journey. I'm sure you know that I was just joking around. In the end you got the XPR-1s...that's all that matters. The journey led you to the promised land...great job! And I never said anything about tricking anyone...that's just silly. |
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Post by creimes on Mar 11, 2015 20:32:39 GMT -5
Keep it civil guys, would rather not have the thread locked haha
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Post by Dark Ranger on Mar 11, 2015 20:35:09 GMT -5
No way! The XPA-1Ls aren't true monoblocks? Hmm, I guess I've been duped. Dan & Lonnie have LIED to me! LIED I tell you. The nerve. Here I thought that buying three XPA-1Ls would increase the size of my gentleman sausage (it's now quite large, you know). This new knowledge took the wind out of my sails and the stuffing out of my Johnson. Man, now I feel inadequate and depressed and want to eat a whole gallon of ice cream. In any case, the only thing that matters is that everyone is happy with their gear. Some don't need XPR-1s due to smaller rooms, smaller speakers, or low-level listening preferences. I fall into that category. The XPR-1s would be a complete waste of money and power, not to mention lack of space. My back also appreciates the 64 pound weight savings for each amp. The XPA-1L very much satisfies the technical description of a true monoblock. |
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Post by Dark Ranger on Mar 11, 2015 20:50:35 GMT -5
And here are some more explanation points for no reason!!!!!! I think your explanation points need more exclaiming. Or was that exclamation points need more explaining?  |
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Post by Jim on Mar 11, 2015 20:58:41 GMT -5
And here are some more explanation points for no reason!!!!!! I think your explanation points need more exclaiming. Or was that exclamation points need more explaining? I don't know if I agree so I'm just going to quote you and say: +1 |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2015 21:43:00 GMT -5
No way! The XPA-1Ls aren't true monoblocks? Hmm, I guess I've been duped. Dan & Lonnie have LIED to me! LIED I tell you. The nerve. Here I thought that buying three XPA-1Ls would increase the size of my gentleman sausage (it's now quite large, you know). This new knowledge took the wind out of my sails and the stuffing out of my Johnson. Man, now I feel inadequate and depressed and want to eat a whole gallon of ice cream. In any case, the only thing that matters is that everyone is happy with their gear. Some don't need XPR-1s due to smaller rooms, smaller speakers, or low-level listening preferences. I fall into that category. The XPR-1s would be a complete waste of money and power, not to mention lack of space. My back also appreciates the 64 pound weight savings for each amp. The XPA-1L very much satisfies the technical description of a true monoblock. My bad Dark Ranger. You don't need to defend your amps to me or anyone else. I'm sure you made the best decision for your situation and Emotiva sure gave us a lot different options. We all have our preferences and pet peeves. I'm sure the 30 watts of class A and it being fully balanced is pretty cool at a great price. Maybe I'm suffering from Monoblock envy . |
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Post by ocezam on Mar 11, 2015 21:51:45 GMT -5
Keep it civil guys, would rather not have the thread locked haha I think we're all just having fun. Gonna crash now though. See (read) you all later... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 22:01:57 GMT -5
Disappointing...
The title of this thread was pertaining to Emotiva not having a amplifier in the shootout.
Now that Emotiva has an amplifier available for testing
This discussion should be closed at this point.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2015 22:52:45 GMT -5
I agree..it's my fault. Let's stay on topic and comment on the XPA-2 when the results come in.
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