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Post by Darksky on Mar 11, 2015 22:55:21 GMT -5
I think that it was well said that : Emotiva has nothing to prove.
Emo does have a cult following, as it well should. We all know why.
I look forward to the results of this comparison.
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Post by deltadube on Mar 11, 2015 23:03:05 GMT -5
I think that it was well said that : Emotiva has nothing to prove. Emo does have a cult following, as it well should. We all know why. I look forward to the results of this comparison. hi Darksky.. nice to see you back posting ! cheers
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 11, 2015 23:23:52 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to reading what weasel wording they use to get around the problem when the XPA-2 punches way, way above its weight (in $'s). Cheers Gary
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 23:25:04 GMT -5
I agree..it's my fault. Let's stay on topic and comment on the XPA-2 when the results come in. LSC, I look forward to meeting you at EmoFest if it occurs. ANY MAN that can accept any blame or admit to his faults publically IS A GOOD MAN in my book! Well done and I would like to personally thank you! The next step is to delete those post to clean up for this discussion and hopefully others will do the same. Many thanks and much Respect!
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Post by creimes on Mar 17, 2015 19:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by teaman on Mar 17, 2015 21:02:32 GMT -5
Although they have not discussed in detail anything of significance the one judge says he will likely purchase an XPA-3. Good so far.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 17, 2015 21:06:52 GMT -5
Interesting Cheers Gary
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2015 21:14:23 GMT -5
Interesting Cheers Gary I reread that paragraph a couple times when I read the thread. I couldn't figure out why the change in tone? To go from not impressed to a favorite is rather dramatic.
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2015 21:16:22 GMT -5
I was cracking up reading it. The summary so far is "there may or may not be statistical significance to what some people heard". Ohhhkay. So we are back to "some amps sound different" and "all well designed solid state amps sound the same". Clear as mud! Hoping they post some of the actual results soon.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 17, 2015 21:27:19 GMT -5
Interesting I reread that paragraph a couple times when I read the thread. I couldn't figure out why the change in tone? To go from not impressed to a favorite is rather dramatic. I read it as he wasn't impressed that Emotiva was even included in the comparison. That changed after listening to wanting an XPA-3. Cheers Gary
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2015 21:31:30 GMT -5
I reread that paragraph a couple times when I read the thread. I couldn't figure out why the change in tone? To go from not impressed to a favorite is rather dramatic. I read it as he wasn't impressed that Emotiva was even included in the comparison. That changed after listening to wanting an XPA-3. Cheers Gary Ok. That would make sense. I thought maybe he had a strong expectation bias going into it.
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Post by Dark Ranger on Mar 17, 2015 21:35:40 GMT -5
I've been following the thread for several days, although no results have been posted. However, I've been getting a kick out of the guy (essentially) boasting about his Krell since this GTG was mentioned. Now he's suddenly considering an XPR-5.
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Post by creimes on Mar 17, 2015 21:44:27 GMT -5
I have kind of skimmed through and didn't see much mention of Emotiva yet, so if they get some sales from the event do I get some commission from bringing it to their attention haha joking of course. I myself can't see the Emotiva getting poor results unless they are meant to by someone who has beef with the product and pricing, while I have never had Krell, Bryston or any of those other expensive amps in my system Emotiva has always has done wonders for my system and my ears I'm wondering if any of them are going to buy that XPA-2 or if it is going back to Emotiva, I'm sure they all own quite a bit of gear already
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2015 21:45:39 GMT -5
I've been following the thread for several days, although no results have been posted. However, I've been getting a kick out of the guy (essentially) boasting about his Krell since this GTG was mentioned. Now he's suddenly considering an XPR-5. I can't get the thought of Krill out of my mind everytime I hear Krell. Then in my head I hear "Swim away!". Because I've seen Finding Nemo one too many times.
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Post by rocky500 on Mar 17, 2015 23:10:10 GMT -5
Interesting Cheers Gary I reread that paragraph a couple times when I read the thread. I couldn't figure out why the change in tone? To go from not impressed to a favorite is rather dramatic. I took it as he was saying he might purchase an XP3 (meaning they were subtle differences between the amps and he would be happy with a XPA3) or he might buy one of the other amps (which were his favorites)
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Post by unsound on Mar 18, 2015 0:14:58 GMT -5
I reread that paragraph a couple times when I read the thread. I couldn't figure out why the change in tone? To go from not impressed to a favorite is rather dramatic. I read it as he wasn't impressed that Emotiva was even included in the comparison. That changed after listening to wanting an XPA-3. To me, that meant the Emotiva wasn't impressive when compared to another amp, but Is good enough on its own. That is, the SQ difference is very small and easily ignored due to the cost advantage.
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Post by brand on Mar 18, 2015 7:23:37 GMT -5
Here are some quotes:
"We went in assuming that we would perceive some differences, but that it would be very hard to support them in blind testing."
?? If you can't support them you're not perceiving anything!
" I'll briefly satisfy the naysayers by saying that we completely failed to identify amps consistently in ABX comparisons"
"The backbone of the system might need to be supportive more to help distinguish differences (power, isolation, conditioning, cords, etc) which could attribute to help reveal these differences"
etc.
"Overall, however, we were correct only 39% of the time, worse than chance"
following the statement above somebody writes this:
"Seems there is a decent amount of evidence to support the theory that differences between amps can be heard. The evidence also suggests that there are select few who can detect the differences by ear, and under very specific conditions. "
WHAT? How could you possibly get that from 39%??
Desperately trying to hold onto their claims. It goes on, whole thing is a mess.
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Post by Lsc on Mar 18, 2015 10:02:06 GMT -5
So sending the xpa-2 has some merit....glad they didn't send the xpr-2 or xpr-1s to this thing, but I do appreciate them trying the comparison however. It's just too chaotic and they needed a smaller list of components to compare. I think my local dealer can do a better job and he invited me to bring the XMC-1 and XPR amps but it's too freaking heavy to lug the XPR over. They got the McIntosh 1.2kW monos and the 450 watt stereo amp which would be a good comparison to the xpr-2, but there is no point for me to do this though because it's not like I'm going to sell the xpr-2 and buy the McIntosh anyway .
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Post by Poodleluvr on Mar 18, 2015 11:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by creimes on Apr 13, 2015 1:51:34 GMT -5
It doesn't look as if much has been updated in the thread, lots of talk of the Denon receiver, not sure how some can obsess over a receiver so much, the best thing I did for my system was going UPA-1 power from my Yamaha's internal amp, was hoping to hear more on the XPA-2 with those speakers haha, oh well I know how much I enjoy my Emo amps , maybe soon I will have another one or two or three lol
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