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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 11:12:16 GMT -5
Remember the XMC has a lot more potential for electronics induced noise and its still producing the same, according to you, SQ as the XSP. Now when you incorporate DIRAC we'll see how your opinion sways I ran Dirac several times last night and listened to 2 channel and a Brit Floyd concert in 7.2 via Oppo 103 and the appreciable difference just isn't there for the time and money I've spent. Maybe more listening is needed, I just don't know. I'm not completely sold on it. I still feel a sideways move from where I was. Do I want to tear it all down again? NOW? ? Not yet, or maybe even ever. It does open more space and gives me room to put my CD-1 back into use. the question is,,,,,,,,,,should you purchase the XMC-1??? In my opinion, if you have a XSP-1 and DC-1 combo and a processor that does the job and you like the sound, Don't buy, wait for the next iteration/RMC-1. If, you don't have this combo, then by all means, beg, barrow and whatever,,,,,,,get one,,,,,,,,,or two. now, to qualify my findings I'll have to spend another few weeks with "The One". its installed and I Do love it, So it may be time to sell the combo.$1,200.00 shipped. I'm pretty firm because I can return it, just wouldn't like to go through all that mess again. Time will tell.
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Post by dkami712 on Apr 13, 2015 11:24:16 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm...if you thought the XMC was a lateral move before AND after Dirac, maybe something isn't configured just right? What mic are you using?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 11:31:42 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm...if you thought the XMC was a lateral move before AND after Dirac, maybe something isn't configured just right? What mic are you using? I'm using the one that came with the unit, followed the directions and here I am. I have to say that my room is pretty accurate sound wise.
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Post by wizardofoz on Apr 13, 2015 11:40:09 GMT -5
I've had an xsp-1g1 in my 2 channel room for a while now and it has also been used with a umc-1 behind it. I was very happy with the sound...moving right along now with my 2nd xmc...I might be the only one with 2, but I digress. I am now listening to some blurays via HDMI in 2 channel mode. I will probably try the oppo direct balanced at some stage but for now I think the xsp will be relocated to a friends or family members place...I hate selling my gear.
Hearing a lot better detail from most material and have yet to do anything other than set speaker distances but with stereo only at this stage that's really not going to matter
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Post by Dark Ranger on Apr 13, 2015 11:42:25 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm...if you thought the XMC was a lateral move before AND after Dirac, maybe something isn't configured just right? Possibly. Perhaps his room is good enough that Dirac didn't help much. However, since noticeable improvements from new gear can be subjective and influenced by several things, it's also possible that with Nick's setup, there isn't much of an improvement over what he had. I mean, he IS coming from a DC-1 and XSP-1 which, let's be honest, are both well-regarded. novisnick, for what it's worth, I'm not too surprised that you don't hear a dramatic improvement from the XMC-1 itself (pre-Dirac) for various reasons. I won't get into that right now. But it may be worth double-checking that Dirac and the mic are both properly configured as suggested above. As an aside, sometimes a sideways move can be good for consolidating gear. You can gain more rack space, and maybe even recoup some cash by selling previous gear. Although not with an XMC-1, I did that myself last year and have no regrets. Spend some more time with it, but follow your gut and do what makes you happy. If you prefer the previous setup, for whatever reason, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2015 11:46:55 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm...if you thought the XMC was a lateral move before AND after Dirac, maybe something isn't configured just right? Possibly. Perhaps his room is good enough that Dirac didn't help much. However, since noticeable improvements from new gear can be subjective and influenced by several things, it's also possible that with Nick's setup, there isn't much of an improvement over what he had. I mean, he IS coming from a DC-1 and XSP-1 which, let's be honest, are both well-regarded. novisnick, for what it's worth, I'm not too surprised that you don't hear a dramatic improvement from the XMC-1 itself (pre-Dirac) for various reasons. I won't get into that right now. But it may be worth double-checking that Dirac and the mic are both properly configured as suggested above. As an aside, sometimes a sideways move can be good for consolidating gear. You can gain more rack space, and maybe even recoup some cash by selling previous gear. Although not with an XMC-1, I did that myself last year and have no regrets. Spend some more time with it, but follow your gut and do what makes you happy. If you prefer the previous setup, for whatever reason, there's nothing wrong with that. It's the monoblocks. They compensate for any and all deficiencies in the system regardless of severity so running Dirac isn't going to improve anything for him. Especially since he's the CEO of the Monoblock Society.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 11:51:07 GMT -5
I do need to state that with Dirac the rear and surround speakers are more pronounced after initial run. With the Yamaha YPAO I had to go into settings and turn them up a few db s to get them to the same engulfing sound.
I've yet to watch a movie with the XMC, I usually watch movies in 11.5 sound so this may not be a fair comparison,,,,,,or it may surprise me. I don't know yet. But for now having listened to two channel and DVD through both the XMC and the Yamaha 3020 and XSP-1 gen 2 it's too close to call, like I stated, sideways so far.
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Post by yeeeha17 on Apr 13, 2015 11:54:14 GMT -5
I am having second thoughts on getting the XMC becasue I am already happy with the SQ. I know if I get the XMC right now I will be buying another processor soon after they release some of the new codecs for 3d sounds.
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Post by ansat on Apr 13, 2015 18:42:43 GMT -5
I do need to state that with Dirac the rear and surround speakers are more pronounced after initial run. With the Yamaha YPAO I had to go into settings and turn them up a few db s to get them to the same engulfing sound. I've yet to watch a movie with the XMC, I usually watch movies in 11.5 sound so this may not be a fair comparison,,,,,,or it may surprise me. I don't know yet. But for now having listened to two channel and DVD through both the XMC and the Yamaha 3020 and XSP-1 gen 2 it's too close to call, like I stated, sideways so far. There is no dirac filters in direct and reference direct. Make sure your using stereo when testing dirac on 2ch. Tony
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 18:51:32 GMT -5
I do need to state that with Dirac the rear and surround speakers are more pronounced after initial run. With the Yamaha YPAO I had to go into settings and turn them up a few db s to get them to the same engulfing sound. I've yet to watch a movie with the XMC, I usually watch movies in 11.5 sound so this may not be a fair comparison,,,,,,or it may surprise me. I don't know yet. But for now having listened to two channel and DVD through both the XMC and the Yamaha 3020 and XSP-1 gen 2 it's too close to call, like I stated, sideways so far. There is no dirac filters in direct and reference direct. Make sure your using stereo when testing dirac on 2ch. Tony Thanks Tony, that's what I've been basing my opinions on. I just reran Dirac again after lowering my surround speakers and now they are less pronounced when watching the same DVD. What do you think about this?,I did prefer the more pronounced sound.
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Post by ansat on Apr 13, 2015 18:55:39 GMT -5
There is no dirac filters in direct and reference direct. Make sure your using stereo when testing dirac on 2ch. Tony Thanks Tony, that's what I've been basing my opinions on. I just reran Dirac again after lowering my surround speakers and now they are less pronounced when watching the same DVD. What do you think about this?,I did prefer the more pronounced sound. I suspect, but not fully tested, that your curve and curtains have a big effect on the levels. In a treated room though, I like my 2ch in reference stereo. Tony
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 18:59:45 GMT -5
Thanks Tony, that's what I've been basing my opinions on. I just reran Dirac again after lowering my surround speakers and now they are less pronounced when watching the same DVD. What do you think about this?,I did prefer the more pronounced sound. I suspect, but not fully tested, that your curve and curtains have a big effect on the levels. In a treated room though, I like my 2ch in reference stereo. Tony My wife has the curves and the curtains are in front of the windows,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, please point me to where I need to go and understand what the Dickens your talking about. Live read some about this topic but I'm in desperate need to understand,,,,,,,please!, This goofy smile should tell you that I need all kinds of help,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,
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Post by ansat on Apr 13, 2015 19:01:08 GMT -5
I suspect, but not fully tested, that your curve and curtains have a big effect on the levels. In a treated room though, I like my 2ch in reference stereo. Tony My wife has the curves and the curtains are in front of the windows,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, please point me to where I need to go and understand what the Dickens your talking about. Live read some about this topic but I'm in desperate need to understand,,,,,,,please!, This goofy smile should tell you that I need all kinds of help,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, Typing up a pm now. Tony
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 19:05:15 GMT -5
My wife has the curves and the curtains are in front of the windows,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, please point me to where I need to go and understand what the Dickens your talking about. Live read some about this topic but I'm in desperate need to understand,,,,,,,please!, This goofy smile should tell you that I need all kinds of help,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, Typing up a pm now. Tony Bless you, the Pope may not think your a Sait,,,,,,,but I know that many/most of us here think you are one!!
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Post by meldhache on Apr 13, 2015 19:14:37 GMT -5
I have Tried to run the full version of dirac on my AirMac 2003 model twice and the program hang itself on the last measurement ... Any problems with this boys and gals ? Mel
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 19:35:16 GMT -5
I have Tried to run the full version of dirac on my AirMac 2003 model twice and the program hang itself on the last measurement ... Any problems with this boys and gals ? Mel Last night while running Winders my Dirac crashed on the last measurement,,,,,,I had not very nice words come to mind!!,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sure, I'm giggling now,,,BUT!!!!!! Last night, not so much. Only crashed once so far. I've made a few measurements and then moved some speakers and started over. After spending this much time and effort ( and I really haven't gotten into it yet ) I should just go and sell all the other gear so I can't turn back!!!!!!! What cha think of that! !!!??!?!?!?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 19:39:29 GMT -5
Now I'm getting even more curious about the sound in stereo,,,,,,,,,,,,,time to drag the Yamaha back to the cave? Cause this time stereo sounds very different? Or is it SRV? He sure sounds good!!! plug it all back in?? OH MY GOODNESS??? I just don't have time for this right now,,,,,but it'll be fun when I get a chance! 8)
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Post by brand on Apr 13, 2015 19:57:08 GMT -5
I think to actually make any sort of reasonable statement you would need to hear each setup for a prolonged time, meaning weeks not days. Take it easy Nick ;D Personally Dirac didn't impress me much when it came to music. I listen to Direct or Reference Stereo and I much prefer that. When it comes to movies in combo with the XMC itself it easily beats my old Denon so I'm a happy camper. There simply isn't anything that compares to the XMC at the price I got it. Now I can sit back and relax while the XMR is being developed. No front height and wides for me at the time. Edit: Going to sleep now. Looking forward to more progess in the Novis XMC Process, the NXP as we like to call it at the place where I work.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 20:53:20 GMT -5
Tony, 90* narrow or 1/3 octave??
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Post by novisnick on Apr 13, 2015 21:31:30 GMT -5
PM Tony, measurements are done.
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