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Post by gus4emo on May 15, 2015 19:03:17 GMT -5
Hi all, when using 96 to 98 efficiency speakers and turning the volume up, the speakers will be loud, but the subs? Will they have to have the volume up as well? Of course calibration will be done, but won't the speakers be too loud compared to the subs? Since they are more efficient?
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Post by gus4emo on May 18, 2015 20:42:37 GMT -5
Anyone? There are no stupid questions.
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Post by novisnick on May 18, 2015 20:48:56 GMT -5
Posting your complete sig would help with any questions and would reap you a quicker response.
When you set your sub/subs , you are matching them to your towers woofers. So , no. Your subs will not be louder.
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Post by boomzilla on May 18, 2015 21:03:53 GMT -5
Actually, if I understand your question, gus4emo, I think that the subs WILL be louder. Note that there are up to three (or more) places to adjust subwoofer volume. From the front end: My Oppo BDP-105 has a "setup screen" where a test tone can be generated and the loudness of the subs matched to the output of the main speakers. I use this to set movie levels. Most AV processers or preamps that offer bass management offer "trim levels" for the sub vs. the main speakers. The sub(s) themselves have gain pots on them to adjust sensitivity. So when I'm listening to stereo, I set the volume on the sub by ear and then leave it alone. Once the sub volume is set (at the sub), I THEN calibrate the Oppo for movie use, adjusting the electronic volume in the Oppo setup menu to get equal volume from the sub & speakers. Note that I do NOT readjust the subwoofer's volume knob at this point. The Oppo's outputs do NOT affect stereo listening (even when the Oppo is the source) because I use a full range output from the Oppo to the preamp for music only & let the preamp do the bass management. When I select the "HT Bypass" switch on the preamp, the preamplifier's bass management is bypassed, and the Oppo's "movie level controls" are active. So to summarize - stereo music = full range output from the Oppo + bass crossover at the preamp + sub level matching at the subwoofer itself. movie sound = bass crossover and level setting in the Oppo + preamp is bypassed + sub level volume is not changed Clear as mud? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 21:51:44 GMT -5
Hi all, when using 96 to 98 efficiency speakers and turning the volume up, the speakers will be loud, but the subs? Will they have to have the volume up as well? Of course calibration will be done, but won't the speakers be too loud compared to the subs? Since they are more efficient? What equipment are you using? I use 99db efficient mains and have zero problem level matching my mains to my subs via the level tones in my xmc1. Just because your speakers play that loud doesn't mean they need to... if properly setup the mains volume will increase in perfect proportion to the subwoofer volume. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 18, 2015 22:45:15 GMT -5
What efficiency is the sub? It may well be 96 to 98 db, so you don't have a problem to worry about.
But let's say the sub has say a 92 db efficiency for example, then simply adjust the LFE output from the processor to +4 db. Then balance the volumes using the processor test tones.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by gus4emo on May 19, 2015 20:27:40 GMT -5
Question came because I'm thinking about getting Klipsch speakers which will be 96 to 98 db times 9 channels, I don't want them to leave the subs behind on the volume level, I have an NHT 12 inch sub that I love for music, and an Outlaw sub that I add for movies, I just don't want horn tweeters to take over the sound, if anything I can always get DefTech which are 92 db, please reply, thanks!
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Post by knucklehead on May 19, 2015 20:33:24 GMT -5
Get the Klipsch if that is what you want. Most any AVR or AVP will automatically adjust each channel trim for proper volume control. You might find your speakers at -10db and the sub at +6. Not much room for readjustment but it'll probably work out better than you think. Which electronics and room correction versions are involved?
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Post by gus4emo on May 19, 2015 20:51:28 GMT -5
Using Denon 4520 as preamp, Denon bluray player, Emotiva XPA7 and Emotiva XPA200 for height channels, Sony CD player, Sony cassette player, yes I have one of those, kept it because I transfer some old recordings I had made back to CD using a Sony CD recorder (by the way recording was perfect), lost some so I had to do over, have NHT for front 5 channels, DefTech for surround and surround back, can do all 9 channels with Klipsch or I can just add DefTech to the front 5 channels since I already have DefTech 800 monitors for the surround and surround back.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:56:48 GMT -5
The klipsch will level match just fine, double check after audyssey with an spl meter but like knucklehead said... you'll probably be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by gus4emo on May 19, 2015 21:07:04 GMT -5
OK, one more question guys, would the DefTechs be a good choice if I decide to go with them? Would do Studio Monitors 55 for LR, LR heights and 8040 center. THANKS!
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Post by knucklehead on May 19, 2015 21:36:04 GMT -5
Def-techs would be an excellent choice as well. However Klipsch are probably a better choice for HT. For music? IMO - not so much. One of my nephews has a full set of RF/RC/RS 52's - great sounding speakers for HT. Your 4520 should have no problem driving the Klipsch speakers.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:45:40 GMT -5
Never heard deftech but I'm not at all a fan of klipsch speakers.. might as well put a trumpet in front of your tweeters.
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Post by boomzilla on May 20, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5
I've used Definitive Technology, B&W, and PowerSound Audio subwoofers with Klipsch La Scalas (105dB / 1w / 1m) and been able to match levels without difficulty BUT,,, My bass-manager had a +10dB mode for the subwoofer! I used it!
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Post by boomzilla on May 20, 2015 7:08:22 GMT -5
OK, one more question guys, would the DefTechs be a good choice if I decide to go with them? Would do Studio Monitors 55 for LR, LR heights and 8040 center. THANKS! I think you'd be very happy with DefTech subs & mains. I've owned the DefTech 60s before, and they rocked. The 55s are actually better reviewed. I also once had a DefTech Trinity subwoofer (now discontinued). All I can say about that one is "WOW!" |
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Post by stiehl11 on May 20, 2015 9:03:08 GMT -5
OK, one more question guys, would the DefTechs be a good choice if I decide to go with them? Would do Studio Monitors 55 for LR, LR heights and 8040 center. THANKS! I'm not a fan of DefTech; and I'll leave it at that. I got a friend to switch from them and he was amazed at the difference in sound quality. But, to each their own. If you listen to it, like it, can afford it; go for what you like! As for me, my speaker preference is evident in my signature. |
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Post by pop on May 20, 2015 10:02:34 GMT -5
No, because you will set the subs to match the speakers.
What I have found with high sensitivity speakers is to turn up the gain a bit more, but mostly boost the sub DB in the processor menus.
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Post by gus4emo on May 20, 2015 14:45:48 GMT -5
Now I'm undecided, main use for the speakers will be movies, I have other ideas for stereo listening, so I need to be convinced on eather Klipsch or DefTech, I like movies loud but not want them too, too loud, my XPA7 and XPA200 will handle the load, so need more input guys, THANKS.
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