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Post by qdtjni on Jun 1, 2015 14:09:37 GMT -5
What kind of monos do you use? I would love monos but space limitations and power requirements (20amp) would be an issue especially with the XPR 1's. I like to keep my system neat and tidy. If I get monos, there'll be a total of 3 Amps including the XPR 5 next to my main left speaker stacked high. stanlee- three amps are for sissies; a real man needs FIVE amps. LOL Russ View AttachmentThink I see a SL1200 there, right?
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Post by deltadube on Jun 1, 2015 14:40:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't take the Macintosh amp even if I got it for free. My reasons; A pair of XPR-1's cost around half what an MC452 costs, they are kidding themselves The MC452 is a whimp, only 452 watts, the XPR-1 is double that and then some into 8 ohms and triple that into 4 ohms. The MC452 has those fugly metres and handles, yucko The MC452 has a pissy damping factor of >40, the XPR-1 is >1,000, seriously no comparison The MC452 at 0.005% has double the THD of the XPR-1 at 0.0025%, twice as much distortion, pooo The MC452 has autoformers, really, a transformer coupled, solid state amp is totally oxymoronic My view, buy a pair of XPR-1's, save half you budget and get twice the amplifier. Cheers Gary Hey Gary.. you forgot you get free membership in the mono block society with the xpr 1s eh,,, cant get that with the mc452... but I do like the meters... lol cheers..
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Post by Lsc on Jun 1, 2015 15:38:28 GMT -5
What kind of monos do you use? I would love monos but space limitations and power requirements (20amp) would be an issue especially with the XPR 1's. I like to keep my system neat and tidy. If I get monos, there'll be a total of 3 Amps including the XPR 5 next to my main left speaker stacked high. stanlee- three amps are for sissies; a real man needs FIVE amps. LOL Russ View AttachmentIt looks very nice but those are like 2 1/2 amps.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 1, 2015 16:08:30 GMT -5
And on paper, you're absolutely right. If you're buying by specs, then there's no question that the Emotiva is the better bargain. If you're buying for durability, longevity, and sound, however... The answer is not so clear. Note that several of us who have actually owned Mac gear indicate that we might actually prefer the Mac. Unless you've actually tried one, don't be mislead by specs and theories. If you want to spend that much, McIntosh is definitely a serious contender. Respectfully - Boomzilla With due respect back. Although I have never owned any Mac gear (and never will) I've listen to many pieces many times over many years as a good friend of mine, a professional musician unfortunately no longer with us, was a Mac lover. Personally I simply don't like the Mac sound, it's just too " tuby" for my tastes. This is of course no accident, if Mac are good at one thing it's knowing their customer base, and they cater to their tastes very well. My view is that there is only one real reason for transformer coupling an SS amp and that's to give it a more tube like sound. The other stuff, like having the same power output regardless of speaker impedance, are simply by products. In regards to the damping factor, I'm convinced based on a lot of listening that the on paper numbers translate to the speaker output. It may be the tube sound signature but my ears tell me Macs don't have as much speaker control as I would like. I actually liked the old Technics amps, but they needed the right speakers, something English like Tannoys or KEFs. I did however prefer the Pioneers of the same vintage. Cheers Gary
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 1, 2015 16:45:28 GMT -5
stanlee- three amps are for sissies; a real man needs FIVE amps. LOL Russ Think I see a SL1200 there, right? A mint Mk. II but in need of a new cartridge. Russ
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 1, 2015 16:47:46 GMT -5
stanlee- three amps are for sissies; a real man needs FIVE amps. LOL Russ It looks very nice but those are like 2 1/2 amps. That produce 2,500 watts into 4 ohms.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2015 17:04:08 GMT -5
It looks very nice but those are like 2 1/2 amps. That produce 2,500 watts into 4 ohms. 2 X 3,500 watts . into 4 ohms
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 1, 2015 18:04:39 GMT -5
That produce 2,500 watts into 4 ohms. 2 X XPR-1 = 3,500 into 4 ohms Seriously Nick, plug a watt metre in and you would be lucky to see 200 watts per channel ever. That's including headroom ie; your normal listening is probably less than 10 watts and then you have 20 times that for the loud, dynamic, instantaneous db. It's overkill (of the XPA-1), of the overkill (of the XPA-1L) which is already overkill (of the XPA-100). It's the bear that's been trapped, shot, throat cut, bleed out, skinned, hung on the wall and then you've sprayed it with arsenic to make sure it's dead.
Cheers Gary
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 1, 2015 18:10:54 GMT -5
C'mon Gary I know Nick and I don't have to tell you speaker sensitivity, size of room, type of music listened too, etc. etc.
Russ
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 1, 2015 18:19:36 GMT -5
C'mon Gary I know Nick and I don't have to tell you speaker sensitivity, size of room, type of music listened too, etc. etc. Russ I'm a Nick stalker Russ, I know everything Cheers Gary
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2015 18:29:26 GMT -5
2 X XPR-1 = 3,500 into 4 ohms Seriously Nick, plug a watt metre in and you would be lucky to see 200 watts per channel ever. That's including headroom ie; your normal listening is probably less than 10 watts and then you have 20 times that for the loud, dynamic, instantaneous db. It's overkill (of the XPA-1), of the overkill (of the XPA-1L) which is already overkill (of the XPA-100). It's the bear that's been trapped, shot, throat cut, bleed out, skinned, hung on the wall and then you've sprayed it with arsenic to make sure it's dead.
Cheers Gary Almost! I figured id finish the debate before it really got started,,,,,,,,thats all. You did go a little far throwing the XPA-100 into that mix though.,,,,, And , Hey! Who was talking about power used? ??,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2015 19:05:47 GMT -5
C'mon Gary I know Nick and I don't have to tell you speaker sensitivity, size of room, type of music listened too, etc. etc. Russ I'm a Nick stalker Russ, I know everything Cheers Gary I thought I recognized you,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 1, 2015 20:53:59 GMT -5
You did go a little far throwing the XPA-100 into that mix though. Don't underestimate the XPA-100 (nee UPA-1) Nick, they are one hell of a good monoblock amplifier. As I have posted previously when I was doing some service work for another Aussie on an XPA-1L I had the XPA-100 driving the other channel with mono selected on the pre amp. I had a really hard time telling the difference, the XPA-100 more than held its own. I could pick it a little easier with the XPA-1L in Class A, but with both in Class AB there's not much in it. If someone said to me I had to live with a pair of XPA-100's I wouldn't be disappointed. Cheers Gary
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2015 21:25:06 GMT -5
You did go a little far throwing the XPA-100 into that mix though. Don't underestimate the XPA-100 (nee UPA-1) Nick, they are one hell of a good monoblock amplifier. As I have posted previously when I was doing some service work for another Aussie on an XPA-1L I had the XPA-100 driving the other channel with mono selected on the pre amp. I had a really hard time telling the difference, the XPA-100 more than held its own. I could pick it a little easier with the XPA-1L in Class A, but with both in Class AB there's not much in it. If someone said to me I had to live with a pair of XPA-100's I wouldn't be disappointed. ZCheers Gary " If someone said to me I had to live with a pair of XPA-100's I wouldn't be disappointed. " nor would I! Im sure the 100 is all that and then some, i was differentiating it from the balaned differential monoblocks, thats all. I have yet to be disappointed with any amp produced by Emotiva!!
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 1, 2015 21:46:30 GMT -5
...I have yet to be disappointed with any amp produced by Emotiva! +1
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 1, 2015 23:35:44 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the XPA-100 (nee UPA-1) Nick, they are one hell of a good monoblock amplifier. As I have posted previously when I was doing some service work for another Aussie on an XPA-1L I had the XPA-100 driving the other channel with mono selected on the pre amp. I had a really hard time telling the difference, the XPA-100 more than held its own. I could pick it a little easier with the XPA-1L in Class A, but with both in Class AB there's not much in it. If someone said to me I had to live with a pair of XPA-100's I wouldn't be disappointed " If someone said to me I had to live with a pair of XPA-100's I wouldn't be disappointed. " nor would I! Im sure the 100 is all that and then some, i was differentiating it from the balaned differential monoblocks, thats all. I'm having a deja vu moment we've debated this before XPA-100's are balanced and dual differential monoblocks. So to be perfectly accurate you need to say "differentiating it from the quad differential monoblocks"
And so say all of us Cheers Gary
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Post by garbulky on Jun 2, 2015 1:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 2, 2015 10:37:38 GMT -5
Gary- only the three -1 amplifiers are fully balanced. The description for each of the three starts with " fully balanced......" The description for the -100 omits that descriptor.
Russ
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Post by bub on Jun 2, 2015 12:25:30 GMT -5
Great show Orange is the new Black.
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Post by stanlee on Jun 6, 2015 9:10:06 GMT -5
Is the xpr 2 quad balanced?
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