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Post by DYohn on Jul 13, 2015 17:29:51 GMT -5
Let your budget be your guide...
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Post by pto189 on Jul 13, 2015 17:39:11 GMT -5
I have two more days before Summer sale ends with my E-club membership. Should I buy XPA-1, XPA-1L, or XPA-100? Focal Electra CC 1008 Be specification: Frequency response (+- 3dB): 55Hz-40kHz Low frequency point (-6dB): 50Hz Sensitivity (2.83V/1m): 91dB Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohm Minimum Impedance: 4.1 Ohm Crossover frequency: 500Hz-2200Hz Recommend amplifier power: 40W-200W In the end it comes down to your choice but I'm sure even the XPA-100 would be enough, my XPA-5 drives all five of my speakers just fine and I do at times listen loudly, never had any distortion issues of any kind while doing so, depending on placement issues I did find the XPA-1L was the warmest running XPA amp I have owned. Are your XPA-1 amps gen1 or gen2, only asking due to matching styling. My center speaker I run is a Chane Audio A2rx-c and has a 88.5db sensitivity and runs fine off my XPA-5, then again if I had the money I would like to own an XPR-5 just cause . Chad Chad, I have a pair of XPA-1 Gen 2. My center speaker is currently powered by one channel of XPA-5. As I said, I'll need one mono amp to drive the center when I add 3 ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos, may be by the end of this year. I have two days to buy a mono amp with a total of 19% discount.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 13, 2015 17:59:49 GMT -5
a money, if your directing this to me I respond as such. using more speaker usually requires less turn on the volume knob, ie: greater volume with less speakers and more amps involved.,,,,,,,, makes no sense?? The 5 speakers should create a larger more open soundscape requiring less power, the processor makes this happen, Only in two channel listening would you require more power to achieve equal decibels. That's not how it works. Since it's not all 5 speakers playing the same thing at the same time. If you were playing all stereo (basically stereo out of all the speakers aka party mode) then maybe. But with movies it's the same setup as 2 channel. At many times the center channel is the ONLY speaker emitting sound. So if your argument were to be true, then the center would need MORE power since it is playing by itself at times Please forward funds for an XPR-1 to my account ASAP!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 18:06:59 GMT -5
That's not how it works. Since it's not all 5 speakers playing the same thing at the same time. If you were playing all stereo (basically stereo out of all the speakers aka party mode) then maybe. But with movies it's the same setup as 2 channel. At many times the center channel is the ONLY speaker emitting sound. So if your argument were to be true, then the center would need MORE power since it is playing by itself at times Please forward funds for an XPR-1 to my account ASAP!! View AttachmentCheck your PayPal
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Post by novisnick on Jul 13, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -5
Please forward funds for an XPR-1 to my account ASAP!! Check your PayPal The heck with PayPal, just send me a XPR-1,,,,,,,,,or XPR-5,,,,,,,, I'll let you choose.
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jul 13, 2015 18:17:32 GMT -5
You never can have too many 1Ls. LOL.
Russ
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Post by creimes on Jul 13, 2015 18:46:41 GMT -5
In the end it comes down to your choice but I'm sure even the XPA-100 would be enough, my XPA-5 drives all five of my speakers just fine and I do at times listen loudly, never had any distortion issues of any kind while doing so, depending on placement issues I did find the XPA-1L was the warmest running XPA amp I have owned. Are your XPA-1 amps gen1 or gen2, only asking due to matching styling. My center speaker I run is a Chane Audio A2rx-c and has a 88.5db sensitivity and runs fine off my XPA-5, then again if I had the money I would like to own an XPR-5 just cause . Chad Chad, I have a pair of XPA-1 Gen 2. My center speaker is currently powered by one channel of XPA-5. As I said, I'll need one mono amp to drive the center when I add 3 ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos, may be by the end of this year. I have two days to buy a mono amp with a total of 19% discount. Well a 1L will match the XPA-1 Gen2 nicely
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Post by Tungx2 on Jul 13, 2015 18:58:10 GMT -5
Chad, I have a pair of XPA-1 Gen 2. My center speaker is currently powered by one channel of XPA-5. As I said, I'll need one mono amp to drive the center when I add 3 ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos, may be by the end of this year. I have two days to buy a mono amp with a total of 19% discount. Well a 1L will match the XPA-1 Gen2 nicely hmmm but maybe one should get xpa-1 anyways? just so that there's no "what if" factor? money is always an issue, but you gotta ask yourself, do you want to scratch your "upgrade" itch fully, or just most of the "itch" and finish it later?? hahaha man, I'm in the same boat. it's really getting itchy!
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 13, 2015 19:04:07 GMT -5
Speaking up for the often under rated XPA-100;
Do you really need a high bias Class A capable amplifier for what is going to be mostly dialogue?
In Class AB I'm hard pressed to hear any difference between an XPA-1L and an XPA-100 each playing demanding music in mono and stereo through one each of the front speakers.
I use my XPA-100 as a sub woofer amp powering a single 17" driver in a 140 litre dual vented enclosure with impedance dropping below 2 ohms at some frequencies. That's a difficult load which the XPA-100 handles easily.
Finally, is there something else that will give you better value for money than choosing an XPA-1L over an XPA-100?
Cheers Gary
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Post by creimes on Jul 13, 2015 22:01:25 GMT -5
Speaking up for the often under rated XPA-100; Do you really need a high bias Class A capable amplifier for what is going to be mostly dialogue? In Class AB I'm hard pressed to hear any difference between an XPA-1L and an XPA-100 each playing demanding music in mono and stereo through one each of the front speakers. I use my XPA-100 as a sub woofer amp powering a single 17" driver in a 140 litre dual vented enclosure with impedance dropping below 2 ohms at some frequencies. That's a difficult load which the XPA-100 handles easily. Finally, is there something else that will give you better value for money than choosing an XPA-1L over an XPA-100? Cheers Gary hehe I hear ya, I was thinking more cause they have the same look with the Class A/B A switch, but in all honesty the XPA-100 would be fine, if I had more disposable income why not have an XPR-5 and a pair of XPA-1's but cash isn't even close to that free flow around here Chad
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Post by bolle on Jul 14, 2015 1:30:39 GMT -5
I would also suggest a third XPA-1. Personally I also think the center is the most important speaker for surround and needs the same power and quality of amplification like the main speakers.
My mains and center are fed by 3x500W each and active crossovers (3-way speakers)...
Best regards!
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 4:29:37 GMT -5
Since it's not all 5 speakers playing the same thing at the same time. If you were playing all stereo (basically stereo out of all the speakers aka party mode) then maybe. But with movies it's the same setup as 2 channel. At many times the center channel is the ONLY speaker emitting sound. So if your argument were to be true, then the center would need MORE power since it is playing by itself at times
You´re basically right. But some receivers (I´ve got a Denon X4000) have the ability to direct more or less of the center channel information to the front speakers. I direct 50% of the center info to the center speaker and 50% to the front speakers. The reason why I´m doing this is that my front speakers sounds better, plays louder and are powered by my Emo XPA-2, while my center speaker is powered by my Denon receiver together with 6 other channels. I think this way I can eat the cace and still have it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 5:52:17 GMT -5
Since it's not all 5 speakers playing the same thing at the same time. If you were playing all stereo (basically stereo out of all the speakers aka party mode) then maybe. But with movies it's the same setup as 2 channel. At many times the center channel is the ONLY speaker emitting sound. So if your argument were to be true, then the center would need MORE power since it is playing by itself at times
You´re basically right. But some receivers (I´ve got a Denon X4000) have the ability to direct more or less of the center channel information to the front speakers. I direct 50% of the center info to the center speaker and 50% to the front speakers. The reason why I´m doing this is that my front speakers sounds better, plays louder and are powered by my Emo XPA-2, while my center speaker is powered by my Denon receiver together with 6 other channels. I think this way I can eat the cace and still have it.
If 2 channel is your priority then ok Otherwise your setup is lacking. All three accords the front should be the same speaker and amplified the same The op is 50/50 so he should not have it setup the way you do.
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Post by michaelg523 on Jul 14, 2015 5:59:12 GMT -5
If 2 channel is your priority then ok Otherwise your setup is lacking. All three accords the front should be the same speaker and amplified the same And why is this? I have absolutely no problem with letting 50% of the center info go through the front speakers. They are bigger, they have more Power. I don´t see the problem You see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 7:34:57 GMT -5
If 2 channel is your priority then ok Otherwise your setup is lacking. All three accords the front should be the same speaker and amplified the same And why is this? I have absolutely no problem with letting 50% of the center info go through the front speakers. They are bigger, they have more Power. I don´t see the problem You see. Because that's not how 5.1 is specs to work. I have noticed on the lounge it's not a surround sound board and many don't know or care how to properly setup a surround system. It would be like me saying oh yeah. My 2 channel is setup so my left speaker is 10 ft away and my right speaker is 6 feet away. With one toed out and one toed in. But it sounds great to me I know this is extreme but I would be attacked in how wrong it is and how much better I can do Well This is the same for how you have your 5.1 setup. Does it sound ok. That's up to you. But it's wrong and can sound way better and I'm not talking marginally if you got a matching (exact same as your mains) speaker for your center and powered it the same as your mains Now again if it sounds good to you then God bless, but it's not setup properly and/or ideally
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Post by jmilton on Jul 14, 2015 7:42:23 GMT -5
And why is this? I have absolutely no problem with letting 50% of the center info go through the front speakers. They are bigger, they have more Power. I don´t see the problem You see. Now again if it sounds good to you then God bless, but it's not setup properly and/or ideally Maybe DTS:X doesn't care how you configure your speakers... www.soundandvision.com/content/dts-answers-atmos-dave-casey-dtsx#jQTqvAq7saAH0VzY.97
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 7:44:06 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think that's what they meant lol
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Post by jmilton on Jul 14, 2015 7:44:42 GMT -5
Oops...post amended!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 7:48:46 GMT -5
That's more of a submititiin I defeat in the Ht realm by DTS than anything else. There is still proper placement and setup. But this is a compromise
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 14, 2015 8:36:46 GMT -5
I fully agree with matching the sound signature of the centre speaker with the FL and FR speakers. In fact I've spent some time matching all 5 speakers in my 5.1 set up with help from the speaker manufacturer.
But perfectly matching amplifiers I just don't don't agree with. In my case I have a pair of XPA-1L's powering the FL and FR. With 3 channels of an XPA-5 powering the C, SR and SL. The other 2 channels are used to power another zone.
The choice of XPA-1L's was made purely for stereo 2.1 music listening, not for 5.1 movies. The XPA-5 did an exemplorary job of powering all 5 previously, prior to that an XPA-2 / XPA-3 combo did the same.
For sure the XPA1-L's gave a lift in performance for stereo music, but like the XPA-2, XPA-3 and XPA-5, I really don't notice any difference for 5.1 movies. In summary I just don't buy the argument that one should use an XPA-1 for the centre just because XPA-1's are used for the FL and FR.
Cheers Gary
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