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Post by fyrn on Oct 13, 2015 14:23:18 GMT -5
Hi, I would like to venture into the world of vinyl, but know nothing about it, so I need some advice.
I have seen some music hall turntables that Emotiva sells. Are those any good? (Like the USB-1). I'm thinking that (digitizing an LP)would defeat the purpose of vinyl to begin with, but I think it does analog as well.
Is there a better table for around the same price point?
Any suggestions as to where to begin would be welcome or is this a waste of time.
Thanks
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Post by drtrey3 on Oct 13, 2015 15:00:03 GMT -5
Hey there fyrn, welcome to the nuthouse! The USB turntable you speak of has a reputation of having issues with speed control and speed stability. If you are not interested in digitizing, I would look at the next model up in price. Rega also makes very nice entry level turntable setups, and they will last!
I do not think that vinyl is a waste of time.
Trey
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Post by adaboy on Oct 13, 2015 15:25:09 GMT -5
Hey there fyrn, welcome to the nuthouse! The USB turntable you speak of has a reputation of having issues with speed control and speed stability. If you are not interested in digitizing, I would look at the next model up in price. Rega also makes very nice entry level turntable setups, and they will last! I do not think that vinyl is a waste of time. Trey I agree with Trey on this and welcome! To be honest I was in your boat about a year ago. I started with the newest Project Debut Carbon DC with the highly regarded Ortofon 2M Red cartridge (True Giant Killer) I listen to it for a while then slowly started to upgrade based on what I collectively gathered were improvements. Acryl-it platter, Puck-it (weight), then made a huge step up in cartridge Ortofon Quintet Blue MC, then added the Emotive XPS -1 phono stage (dramatic improvement), record washer (important), then I've tried out various phono stages since to see what the differences were. My best advice is get a good starter table listen to it for a while then make upgrades, this way you will be able to see what you like versus don't like. |
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Post by fyrn on Oct 13, 2015 15:42:26 GMT -5
[/quote] My best advice is get a good starter table listen to it for a while then make upgrades, this way you will be able to see what you like versus don't like.[/quote]
What are some good models around $300 or less to start with? Since I'm starting I'll probably end up with garage sale or thrift store LP's to get my feet wet. Will those records destroy the needle or they all do that?
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Post by adaboy on Oct 13, 2015 15:51:45 GMT -5
My best advice is get a good starter table listen to it for a while then make upgrades, this way you will be able to see what you like versus don't like. What are some good models around $300 or less to start with? Since I'm starting I'll probably end up with garage sale or thrift store LP's to get my feet wet. Will those records destroy the needle or they all do that? Check out the Needle Doctor and they will give you a range of starter tables, I'd stick with belt driven tables but the Project Debut Carbon DC model ($399.00)is probably the best starter table since it comes with the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge and the speed controller built in. Now that doesn't mean that the other starter tables are bad it just mean you will need to add a speed controller and upgrade cartridge to match pace. Music Hall, Denon, U-turn Audio. Not pushing the Project just for the sake of pushing, I've heard it, I own it, and therefore I can honestly recommend it. |
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 13, 2015 16:27:58 GMT -5
If you are inheriting allot of vinyl, it is real fun hearing what might complement your music collection. I think the USB tables like the Music Hall and others mentioned here are great without killing the budget. A decent cleaning system will also let you hear more of what vinyl is about. Yeah you have picked a great place for things go round and round, records and music too!  Welcome to our music Ole plenty. |
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Post by trinhsman on Oct 13, 2015 16:39:03 GMT -5
Hi, I would like to venture into the world of vinyl, but know nothing about it, so I need some advice. I have seen some music hall turntables that Emotiva sells. Are those any good? (Like the USB-1). I'm thinking that (digitizing an LP)would defeat the purpose of vinyl to begin with, but I think it does analog as well. Is there a better table for around the same price point? Any suggestions as to where to begin would be welcome or is this a waste of time. Thanks Welcome. I am kind of a vinyl nut. I have a CD player, but enjoy vinyl best when it is done right. I don't stream or listen to files on a computer. I am old school to say the least. I started with a Pro-Ject Debut turntable, upgraded it quite a bit, went to a Music Hall 7.1, and have now settled on the Music Hall 9.1 with an Ortofon 2M Black cartridge. That's about as high as the wallet is going to allow. My suggestion on a first table would be either the Pro-Ject Debut III or Music Hall 2.2. The first upgrade after that is a speed control unit. It's the biggest bang for the buck upgrade. Next, the cartridge. I went to an Ortofon 2M Blue before I got to the Black. Finally, if the table doesn't have it, get an acrylic platter............or just skip the upgrades and save a little while and get the Music Hall 9.1.IMHO |
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Post by Loop 7 on Oct 13, 2015 16:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by fyrn on Oct 13, 2015 18:25:57 GMT -5
How much life can I expect out of a cartridge?
I have an XSP-1 that I would connect it to, so I'm assuming the phone pre amp is taken care of.
Is the speed controller the same as the old 33/45 switch (I guess not all have them anymore) or is it something different?
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Post by trinhsman on Oct 13, 2015 18:38:04 GMT -5
How much life can I expect out of a cartridge? I have an XSP-1 that I would connect it to, so I'm assuming the phone pre amp is taken care of. Is the speed controller the same as the old 33/45 switch (I guess not all have them anymore) or is it something different? Provided you clean your records first, then make sure they are brushed with a cleaner brush, and keep your stylus clean, 1000-2000 hours. As to the speed control box, it is nothing more than an electronic box that regulates the speed more precisely than the player motor and belt can do on its own. I believe the Pro-Ject turntable may have one installed from the factory. My Dubut III did not, but the Debut Carbon just might. If it does, it is a bargain at the 399 price. |
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Post by mfeust on Oct 13, 2015 19:06:54 GMT -5
Alot of great advice. You have a great start with XSP-1. Phono-stage in the XSP-1 is excellent. I would stress that CLEAN vinyl is the most important thing for good sound.
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Post by adaboy on Oct 13, 2015 21:37:39 GMT -5
How much life can I expect out of a cartridge? I have an XSP-1 that I would connect it to, so I'm assuming the phone pre amp is taken care of. Is the speed controller the same as the old 33/45 switch (I guess not all have them anymore) or is it something different? Provided you clean your records first, then make sure they are brushed with a cleaner brush, and keep your stylus clean, 1000-2000 hours. As to the speed control box, it is nothing more than an electronic box that regulates the speed more precisely than the player motor and belt can do on its own. I believe the Pro-Ject turntable may have one installed from the factory. My Dubut III did not, but the Debut Carbon just might. If it does, it is a bargain at the 399 price. It does as long it is the DC version. The Espirt DC has both the speed controller and option to change speed of platter at the flip of a switch. Music Hall is a good choice as well since they are made in the same factory. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Oct 13, 2015 23:04:10 GMT -5
Alot of great advice. You have a great start with XSP-1. Phono-stage in the XSP-1 is excellent. I would stress that CLEAN vinyl is the most important thing for good sound. So many vinyl lovers sidestep or ignore the importance of clean LPs. It can offer a night and day difference. |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 14, 2015 1:06:56 GMT -5
Alot of great advice. You have a great start with XSP-1. Phono-stage in the XSP-1 is excellent. I would stress that CLEAN vinyl is the most important thing for good sound. So many vinyl lovers sidestep or ignore the importance of clean LPs. It can offer a night and day difference. Lots of novices also forget how dirty the cutting floor is in the manufacturing of LPs, it may be the most important cleaning an LP ever gets! Dragging all of that mess around a new LP is the quickest way to shorten quality sound life of an LP. just sayin. |
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Post by wizardofoz on Oct 14, 2015 2:52:18 GMT -5
one reason for ripping your LP's to digital is to have them available on other sources and to reduce the wear on our precious vinyl - each play takes a little away so a favourite LP will suffer after many plays. I do enjoy showing off the TT and going down memory lane with stuff you can't get on CD's easily. My TT is a DIY with a custom semi DIY arm - TransFi Terminator Pro.  |
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Post by villock on Oct 14, 2015 6:47:33 GMT -5
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Post by vneal on Oct 14, 2015 7:37:39 GMT -5
I would consider entry level tables from
Pro-Ject
Music Hall
Rega
VPI
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Post by mshump on Oct 14, 2015 8:14:21 GMT -5
Music Direct has some closeout deals on the Pro-ject Debut III and Debut Carbon. Both are good entry level (I personally have a Debut III). They are good turntables to start with and also popular enough that if you decide to really upgrade later then you can trade/resell it for a decent price.
A couple things to keep in mind The stock cartridge with the Debut III is an Ortofon OM-5, and the Debut Carbon is and Ortofon red. The red is a much better cartridge. You will most likely get upgradeitis for a better cartridge soon. You can get much better sound for $2-300.00
Cleaning your vinyl like some others have stated is very important for good sound, and taking care of the cartridge.
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Post by fyrn on Oct 14, 2015 10:17:16 GMT -5
one reason for ripping your LP's to digital is to have them available on other sources and to reduce the wear on our precious vinyl - each play takes a little away so a favourite LP will suffer after many plays. How is the sound quality when you digitize your LP's? I like the idea of having the same SQ of vinyl without the hassle. Just pull the CD out and play. Save the vinyl for the special occasions. |
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Post by wizardofoz on Oct 14, 2015 10:26:13 GMT -5
I have some rips from friends and have no issues with the results but normally very much depend on the deck you use and the preamp quality. I have about US$7K invested in my deck, arm, cart and phono pre...but have yet to actually use it for ripping...will possibly use the ADC option in the XMC and digital out to my MAC or 3.5mm Line in from REC out probably with Pure Vinyl app when I do get around to it...I have a few hundred LP's to be cleaned before I get close to starting to rip it all. there are samples of ripped LP tracks out there to listen to. FAQ on PV here www.channld.com/purevinyl/pure-vinyl-faq.html |
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