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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 14:36:15 GMT -5
Hello all I may want to enter the vinyl craze BUT I also may want out of the vinyl craze so I don't want to invest too much up front. If you look at my signature that is the system it will be attached to...My personal taste is soundstage I am a depth freak. My budget on a turntable/cartridge would be around $500. I don't need new and I am not sure about the phono stage pre-amp either I currently use a Sherbourn PT-7030 for a pre-amp...
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Post by garbulky on Feb 10, 2016 14:42:32 GMT -5
If you want to get some nice depth make sure that you treat your room. I use an ats acoustics room panel behind the couch wall at head level. It really helped depth perception
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Post by autiger on Feb 10, 2016 15:37:02 GMT -5
If you live in a decent size city, buy used. craigslist, stereo store trade in etc.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 10, 2016 15:46:53 GMT -5
For a cost of $548 (brand new), a Pro-ject Debut Carbon ($399 - complete with an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge) paired with an Emotiva XPS-1 ($149) would be a fantastic setup for your needs and "should" be a fairly easy sell if you decide vinyl's not for you.
Since your PT-7030 doesn't have a built in phono preamp, you will need the XPS-1 (or similar)
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Post by mshump on Feb 10, 2016 16:16:33 GMT -5
For a cost of $548 (brand new), a Pro-ject Debut Carbon ($399 - complete with an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge) paired with an Emotiva XPS-1 ($149) would be a fantastic setup for your needs and " should" be a fairly easy sell if you decide vinyl's not for you. Since your PT-7030 doesn't have a built in phono preamp, you will need the XPS-1 (or similar) I agree with doc, nice set up he suggested. |
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Post by GreenKiwi on Feb 10, 2016 17:04:35 GMT -5
I'm with doc1963 It's what I'd go for... |
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Post by vneal on Feb 10, 2016 18:56:32 GMT -5
second the ProJect Carbon
check AUDIO ADVISOR
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 10, 2016 19:12:55 GMT -5
For new check out Needle Doctor.
You could pick up a nice older Denon, Technics, Or Marantz on ebay for a couple of hundred bucks.
Just to see if vinyl is something you may like.
I have listen to vinyl since I was a kid in the early 70's And still listen to some of the same LP's from that time.
It may not be for everyone but it is for me. I have to agree with the others on the pro ject set up also.
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Post by lionear on Feb 11, 2016 1:12:32 GMT -5
There's also the Pioneer PLX-1000, which is supposed to be a really well made SL-1200 clone, and it goes for $700.
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Post by yves on Feb 11, 2016 8:04:37 GMT -5
There's also the Pioneer PLX-1000, which is supposed to be a really well made SL-1200 clone, and it goes for $700. For $700 you should be able to find a used, non-battered original Technics SL-1200. Mostly due to the vinyl resurgence of recent years, prices of used SL-1200 turntables are now ~$200 higher than they were ~5 years ago, but nevertheless IMHO it's a better turntable than the Pioneer PLX-1000. In fact, the SL-1200 is so good that Panasonic have officially announced a remake, the SL-1200G (and the limited anniversary edition SL-1200GAE). www.technics.com/us/introduction/hifi-direct-drive-turntable-system-sl-1200gae/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 10:33:46 GMT -5
Looks like "Doc's" suggestion of a Pro-Ject with the Emo pre-amp may be a winner...I just don't know enough to buy an older TT I'm afraid I would be an easy mark! Looking forward to trying vinyl again...Now maybe someone can tell me what to look for in the record itself...Is first press the best or is it best to get a new press... |
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Post by lionear on Feb 11, 2016 11:13:25 GMT -5
There's also the Pioneer PLX-1000, which is supposed to be a really well made SL-1200 clone, and it goes for $700. For $700 you should be able to find a used, non-battered original Technics SL-1200. Mostly due to the vinyl resurgence of recent years, prices of used SL-1200 turntables are now ~$200 higher than they were ~5 years ago, but nevertheless IMHO it's a better turntable than the Pioneer PLX-1000. In fact, the SL-1200 is so good that Panasonic have officially announced a remake, the SL-1200G (and the limited anniversary edition SL-1200GAE). www.technics.com/us/introduction/hifi-direct-drive-turntable-system-sl-1200gae/Have you heard the SL-1200 and the Pioneer. How do they sound? What made you prefer the SL-1200? (The new SL-1200 has a new motor and other changes. It's a new turntable design. It will be interesting to see whether the new one has better sound - as Technics claims.) |
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 11, 2016 12:07:31 GMT -5
Looks like "Doc's" suggestion of a Pro-Ject with the Emo pre-amp may be a winner...I just don't know enough to buy an older TT I'm afraid I would be an easy mark! Looking forward to trying vinyl again...Now maybe someone can tell me what to look for in the record itself...Is first press the best or is it best to get a new press... You know, I thought about that after I suggested a used table from ebay. For a first time buyer you don't know what you may get. And that could sour you on the whole vinyl experience. Like I stated in my last post I have always had a TT that was state of the art when I first got into stereo in the early 70's. My point is this don't make it harder then what it is and do not over think things. I still think Doc's advise is very good. There are some cheaper options for turn tables but again a sub par TT could sour the whole thing for you. I have given Guitar lessons most of my life and the first thing parents do is go out and buy their child a $100 unplayable piece of junk the kid cant play it gets frustrated and then hates guitar. I know it is a catch 22. This is the point I'm trying to make with the whole vinyl experience. Oh, one other thing I'm not a believer that you need a $80,000.00 Turn Table to get great results. Results are speculative to the user anyway. |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 11, 2016 13:01:24 GMT -5
Looks like "Doc's" suggestion of a Pro-Ject with the Emo pre-amp may be a winner...I just don't know enough to buy an older TT I'm afraid I would be an easy mark! Looking forward to trying vinyl again...Now maybe someone can tell me what to look for in the record itself...Is first press the best or is it best to get a new press... I'm glad to see you go this route. It's where a lot of us started our journey "back" into vinyl and I don't think you'll be the least bit disappointed with this setup. As far as where to start collecting your vinyl, I would simply start by browsing your local shops that specialize in used vinyl. Look for clean records with a nice glossy sheen in the "dead wax". Avoid, obviously, major scuffs and scratches. Minor scuffs (usually caused by the paper sleeve) are generally not a big issue and need not be avoided. If you don't have any specialty shops around you, "discogs.com" is a great place to find used vinyl. Just make sure you check the feedback of the seller you're purchasing from. All sellers are "supposed" to use an industry standard grading system, but (just as with anything else) the seller's grading can be a matter of opinion. His opinion of "Mint" might not be the same as mine or yours, but you will likely see how "experienced" the seller is reflected in his feedback. Experienced "buyers" can be very vocal if the seller isn't grading fairly. I've made quite a few purchases through discog's sellers and I've only been disappointed once. Most reputable record shop owners also have an "online" presence through Discogs as well. I would, however, avoid eBay. I've been burned there several times and will no longer entertain the effort. When a seller rates a record "near mint" because the vinyl is clean, but totally disregards the HUGE lip warp, I'm out...  Keep in mind that, at some point (and I would bet it'll be "soon"), you will need to consider purchasing a decent record cleaner of some sort. This will be a necessity if you're purchasing used vinyl. The "Spin Clean" is almost always a good start and, for some, is all that's needed. Personally, I scrub, double rinse and vacuum. But since this is an entirely different subject, I'll just leave it at that for now. Since you're just getting back into vinyl, don't worry too much about chasing "first pressings". In most cases, it generally doesn't matter and just drives the cost up. There are, however, some exceptions. Steely Dan's "Aja" comes to mind. I own three different pressings and the first pressing (a "mint" copy) does "sound" the best. Better, even, than the newest "reissue". Most collectors would consider the "club" pressings (Columbia House and RCA/BMG) to be inferior, so you might choose to avoid those. As a teenager ( many years ago), I amassed a huge collection through those record clubs and never knew the difference. So for a buck or two, and if I really want the record, who cares. As you gain experience, you'll know what to avoid. Hope this helps...  |
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Post by audiogeek on Feb 11, 2016 13:02:05 GMT -5
I have the Pro-Ject and XPS-1 in my system... I can highly recommend it for the money.
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Post by guitarforlife on Feb 11, 2016 13:28:25 GMT -5
As far as vinyl. I have a ton original vinyl I have had forever. I'm fortunate to have a two great record stores at my disposal.
I have ordered new 180g vinyl from Amazon with great results. If there is some thing I just have to have and it is not perfect I can accept the few clicks and pops
( anyone remember the old ADC click and pop machine). To me it is just part of the whole vinyl experience.
As for ME I have only used the good old fashioned Discwasher(not the new RCA mad one) to clean my LP's. But that is another discussion all together. Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:03:19 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your advise...I am looking forward to starting. I am now actively looking and will let everyone know what I ended up with and how it sounds...
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Post by yves on Feb 11, 2016 20:21:15 GMT -5
For $700 you should be able to find a used, non-battered original Technics SL-1200. Mostly due to the vinyl resurgence of recent years, prices of used SL-1200 turntables are now ~$200 higher than they were ~5 years ago, but nevertheless IMHO it's a better turntable than the Pioneer PLX-1000. In fact, the SL-1200 is so good that Panasonic have officially announced a remake, the SL-1200G (and the limited anniversary edition SL-1200GAE). www.technics.com/us/introduction/hifi-direct-drive-turntable-system-sl-1200gae/Have you heard the SL-1200 and the Pioneer. How do they sound? What made you prefer the SL-1200? (The new SL-1200 has a new motor and other changes. It's a new turntable design. It will be interesting to see whether the new one has better sound - as Technics claims.) To get you an idea of what the original SL-1200 actually is capable of, here is an article that IMO describes it nicely. www.tonepublications.com/analogaholic/sl-1200-upgrades-sound-hifi/From what I gather, the newly announced SL-1200G will be a $4,000 piece of Hi-Fi equipment. I think it's going to be another hit. |
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Post by lionear on Feb 11, 2016 23:34:31 GMT -5
Have you heard the SL-1200 and the Pioneer. How do they sound? What made you prefer the SL-1200? (The new SL-1200 has a new motor and other changes. It's a new turntable design. It will be interesting to see whether the new one has better sound - as Technics claims.) To get you an idea of what the original SL-1200 actually is capable of, here is an article that IMO describes it nicely. www.tonepublications.com/analogaholic/sl-1200-upgrades-sound-hifi/From what I gather, the newly announced SL-1200G will be a $4,000 piece of Hi-Fi equipment. I think it's going to be another hit. I wanted to know why you thought the SL-1200 was better than the Pioneer - and the only thing that matters is how they sound. It doesn't seem like you have heard them. OK, thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 0:52:48 GMT -5
I wanted to know why you thought the SL-1200 was better than the Pioneer - and the only thing that matters is how they sound. It doesn't seem like you have heard them. OK, thanks. The only way he would be able to compare how they sound is if he heard them A/B with the same exact cartridge in the same exact system with all other components and connectors exactly the same. I doubt that. Enjoy the Rice Krispies .......... snap, crackle and pop. |
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