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Post by jcisbig on Feb 17, 2016 18:20:48 GMT -5
If I was setting up a room from scratch I would focus on 5.1 rather than 7.1 (leaving out other surround schemes.) I have 7.1 and do not really notice much difference at all between 5 and 7.1. Trey Really? I had the opposite experience! I had 5.1 for a while and then went to 7.1 and felt that it became much more immersive.
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 17, 2016 19:24:55 GMT -5
A lot of good advice here. I used gobs of Roxul in all the walls and ceilings. I also used decoupling barriers between the ceiling joists and paneling. For wire runs, I used 1" Carlon (Home Despot, Blowes etc stock it) This way I can always upgrade wires, HDMI cables etc as the ceiling is covered with fabric to stop glare from the projector. It's one of my favorite aspects of the build. Just posted my HT build pics here with links to progress pics. Feel free to mull for ideas. I know I ripped off lots of great designers for my build because I'm not one of them. lol Scott emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/45960/simpleman68-completed-basement-theater-picsI saw this when I was in Menards a few days ago, I was worried about only having 1" diameter to pull wires through. Have you found it to be sufficient? For speaker wires and HDMI it was more than sufficient given every wire run had its own conduit. You'll be fine with 12 gauge for runs up to 60' I think resistance on most 12 gauge is like 1/4 ohm for every 12' if I remember correctly. Scott
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Post by 509Paul on Feb 17, 2016 19:39:12 GMT -5
The ribbed interior looks like it would be tough to push wire through that stuff. Wouldn't normal plastic conduit with long sweeps be easier to use?
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Post by jlafrenz on Feb 17, 2016 21:25:42 GMT -5
The ribbed really isn't that hard to pull wire through. It comes on a long roll so you don't have to mess with cutting it and gluing fittings and bends in it.
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 17, 2016 22:41:03 GMT -5
The ribbed interior looks like it would be tough to push wire through that stuff. Wouldn't normal plastic conduit with long sweeps be easier to use? The ribs are fairly shallow and closely spaced. I had no trouble feeding 12 gauge runs with a good fibre fish. Scott
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Post by novisnick on Feb 17, 2016 22:49:49 GMT -5
The ribbed interior looks like it would be tough to push wire through that stuff. Wouldn't normal plastic conduit with long sweeps be easier to use? The ribs are fairly shallow and closely spaced. I had no trouble feeding 12 gauge runs with a good fibre fish. Scott So Scott,,,,,,your really good with your hose, eh??,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 17, 2016 23:09:27 GMT -5
The ribs are fairly shallow and closely spaced. I had no trouble feeding 12 gauge runs with a good fibre fish. Scott So Scott,,,,,,your really good with your hose, eh??,,,,,,,,,, Lol Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein. That conduit was an excellent idea as I'll never have to remove the ceiling over the top of the main theater. There are no electric wires and no plumbing in that part of the ceiling either. I really don't want to have to rip down the Fabric Mate material. It's a lot of work and very hard to get it right on ceilings. Walls are much easier. Scott
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Post by novisnick on Feb 17, 2016 23:16:02 GMT -5
So Scott,,,,,,your really good with your hose, eh??,,,,,,,,,, Lol Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein. That conduit was an excellent idea as I'll never have to remove the ceiling over the top of the main theater. There are no electric wires and no plumbing in that part of the ceiling either. I really don't want to have to rip down the Fabric Mate material. It's a lot of work and very hard to get it right on ceilings. Walls are much easier. Scott Yep, thats the only way to do it. Years ago we in construction would do the same, just not in plastic. Codes change ya know. Sweet stuff, not sure when ill be up, my fathers in a bad way. But I have to visit family eventually!!
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Post by novisnick on Feb 17, 2016 23:19:35 GMT -5
So Scott,,,,,,your really good with your hose, eh??,,,,,,,,,, Lol Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein. That conduit was an excellent idea as I'll never have to remove the ceiling over the top of the main theater. There are no electric wires and no plumbing in that part of the ceiling either. I really don't want to have to rip down the Fabric Mate material. It's a lot of work and very hard to get it right on ceilings. Walls are much easier. Scott Yup!! Warren Scott
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 17, 2016 23:22:52 GMT -5
Lol Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein. That conduit was an excellent idea as I'll never have to remove the ceiling over the top of the main theater. There are no electric wires and no plumbing in that part of the ceiling either. I really don't want to have to rip down the Fabric Mate material. It's a lot of work and very hard to get it right on ceilings. Walls are much easier. Scott Yep, thats the only way to do it. Years ago we in construction would do the same, just not in plastic. Codes change ya know. Sweet stuff, not sure when ill be up, my fathers in a bad way. But I have to visit family eventually!! You ever find yourself anywhere near Eastern PA, look me up Nick. Would be nice to grab a cold one and contemplate life, chew the fat etc. I've met many fantastic folks on forums over the last 12 years. Scott
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Post by novisnick on Feb 17, 2016 23:31:01 GMT -5
Yep, thats the only way to do it. Years ago we in construction would do the same, just not in plastic. Codes change ya know. Sweet stuff, not sure when ill be up, my fathers in a bad way. But I have to visit family eventually!! You ever find yourself anywhere near Eastern PA, look me up Nick. Would be nice to grab a cold one and contemplate life, chew the fat etc. I've met many fantastic folks on forums over the last 12 years. Scott Emo South is always looking for more alumni!!! I've met many as well. I now call some of them family. Louisiana, central to south love to have a Sicilian Pie!!!!
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Post by 509Paul on Feb 17, 2016 23:34:41 GMT -5
What is emo south? I keep seeing it mentioned by members but have no idea what it is all about?
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Post by novisnick on Feb 17, 2016 23:44:20 GMT -5
What is emo south? I keep seeing it mentioned by members but have no idea what it is all about? I could tell you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,, but really, a group of members that have met at a couple of friends caves to audition and enjoy friendship and gear, as well as breaking bread to bond as lifetime audio friends. Our friendships have grown since our first meeting. great group of families that have grown on each other. All of pure heart are invited to come visit and join. its late, peace be with you. night all
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Post by pop on Feb 18, 2016 0:23:45 GMT -5
Lighting , lighting, and lighting.
Also, the movie rooms that set themselves apart from the rest are full acoustically treated.
if you plan on implementing Atmos, run the wires now. Why put in conduit to run at a later date? Save yourself the trouble while you have open walls.
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Post by yves on Feb 18, 2016 5:08:29 GMT -5
Also, the movie rooms that set themselves apart from the rest are full acoustically treated. Most movie rooms that I can see being discussed in forum posts here and elsewhere on the internet don't even have any bass traps in them, or they have bass traps that don't absorb any bass frequencies. It always knocks me unconscious why.
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 18, 2016 9:05:58 GMT -5
Also, the movie rooms that set themselves apart from the rest are full acoustically treated. Most movie rooms that I can see being discussed in forum posts here and elsewhere on the internet don't even have any bass traps in them, or they have bass traps that don't absorb any bass frequencies. It always knocks me unconscious why. I had acoustic treatments up to catch 1st order reflections and found I went overkill. I'm in the process of making them smaller. I greatly prefer the sound of the untreated room in my case. I shouldn't say "untreated" entirely. The entire floor has extra thick padding and carpet and the entire ceiling was done with homasote and heavy fabric. The room is almost too dead. Bass traps is a whole other animal and I've been studying it for some time. Seems like most of the corner traps yield minimal results below 150 Hz and the more effective traps require a substantial amount of dead space between two layers which eats up a ton of room space. All the resources I've read over the years suggest it requires a ton of mass to effectively reduce standing waves etc in the lower spectrum. What I've done instead is to focus on speaker placement, optimal room setup and it's gotten me pretty close. Initial Dirac readings showed my room much flatter than I initially expected. It's a work in progress but if you're ever in the area, feel free to stop in and give a listen. Scott
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Post by fbczar on Feb 18, 2016 13:27:50 GMT -5
Most movie rooms that I can see being discussed in forum posts here and elsewhere on the internet don't even have any bass traps in them, or they have bass traps that don't absorb any bass frequencies. It always knocks me unconscious why. I had acoustic treatments up to catch 1st order reflections and found I went overkill. I'm in the process of making them smaller. I greatly prefer the sound of the untreated room in my case. I shouldn't say "untreated" entirely. The entire floor has extra thick padding and carpet and the entire ceiling was done with homasote and heavy fabric. The room is almost too dead. Bass traps is a whole other animal and I've been studying it for some time. Seems like most of the corner traps yield minimal results below 150 Hz and the more effective traps require a substantial amount of dead space between two layers which eats up a ton of room space. All the resources I've read over the years suggest it requires a ton of mass to effectively reduce standing waves etc in the lower spectrum. What I've done instead is to focus on speaker placement, optimal room setup and it's gotten me pretty close. Initial Dirac readings showed my room much flatter than I initially expected. It's a work in progress but if you're ever in the area, feel free to stop in and give a listen. Scott Scott, I agree that getting everything as right as possible with speaker placement, etc. is definitely the way to begin the process of finding the best sound. You may be interested to know that GIK produces bass traps with capabilities in the 50Hz range. I am sure there are other companies that could do the same, but I know GIK does. Therefore, if you have specific problems a some low frequencies it might actually be possible to address them.
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Post by yves on Feb 18, 2016 14:12:47 GMT -5
Most movie rooms that I can see being discussed in forum posts here and elsewhere on the internet don't even have any bass traps in them, or they have bass traps that don't absorb any bass frequencies. It always knocks me unconscious why. I had acoustic treatments up to catch 1st order reflections and found I went overkill. I'm in the process of making them smaller. I greatly prefer the sound of the untreated room in my case. I shouldn't say "untreated" entirely. The entire floor has extra thick padding and carpet and the entire ceiling was done with homasote and heavy fabric. The room is almost too dead. Bass traps is a whole other animal and I've been studying it for some time. Seems like most of the corner traps yield minimal results below 150 Hz and the more effective traps require a substantial amount of dead space between two layers which eats up a ton of room space. All the resources I've read over the years suggest it requires a ton of mass to effectively reduce standing waves etc in the lower spectrum. What I've done instead is to focus on speaker placement, optimal room setup and it's gotten me pretty close. Initial Dirac readings showed my room much flatter than I initially expected. It's a work in progress but if you're ever in the area, feel free to stop in and give a listen. Scott Viewing the measured frequency response of a room doesn't tell you much about how the room sounds: www.gikacoustics.com/understanding-decay-times/Pressure based bass traps do not take up a lot of floor space: www.gikacoustics.com/understanding-different-bass-trapping/That said, I have seen two boatloads of pictures taken by people who have more than enough room space for very thick (Supertips Superchunk) velocity based corner bass traps floor to ceiling in the corners behind the front Left + Right speakers, but the vast majority of them still don't have any bass traps. What they do have is a really very cool looking soffit all the way around their ceiling, complete with fancy lighting built into it and everything, but I hardly ever see a soffit that factually is a soffit bass trap. I still can't for the life of me understand why that is. P.S. - Here's a discussion thread you might find interesting: www.gearslutz.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/707711-gik-scopus-tuned-trap.html
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Post by audiosyndrome on Feb 18, 2016 14:59:06 GMT -5
I think the number of dedicated circuits may be a bit of overkill. I have two 20 amp dedicated circuits. Three mono blocks on one, two mono blocks on the other. That leaves three free outlets, one of which I use for my PS Audio Dectet power center. All my other equipment is plugged into the Dectet. I never feel like I have a dynamics problem and the two lines are 55 feet long (to the circuit breaker box).
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Post by yves on Feb 18, 2016 15:14:54 GMT -5
{...} it might actually be possible to address them.
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