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Post by TJR on May 10, 2016 21:21:05 GMT -5
...However, you need to remember that the biggest limitation is NOT going to be your Internet connection... "640 KB is all anyone is ever going to need" BTW, it's not all about US. US or not, not everyone lives in, or near, a major city and has access to a biggabits/sec connection. I live in the mountains and am lucky to have a 5Mb/s DSL connection (over 50+ year old wiring, inside and out) - actually, my modem reports that I'm getting 7 Mb/s. In any case, 7 Mb/s won't cut it for regular HD streaming, much less UHD, much less UHD/HDR streaming. So I still have a Netflix physical DVD account and won't be considering their streaming service. In other words, yes, my Internet connection IS the biggest limitation, for me, and I don't expect it to change any time soon, if ever, in this area. I'm not the only one in a similar situation, so don't assume that the UHD/HDR disc format will fade away and everyone will be merrily streaming instead. I'm waiting for OPPO's release as well. I just bought a 55" LG OLED and what few UHD/HDR demo files I can get my hands on do look spectacular. I'll be interested to see if Netflix starts renting UHD/HDR discs in the future. That said, I'm not suffering, since my music/movie ratio is on the order of 85%/15%. However, I would like to treat my eyes every now and then, while they're still functioning.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 10, 2016 21:24:38 GMT -5
I read an article (about two years ago now), that stated that only about one half to one third of US Netflix subscribers had fast enough connections to stream Netflix HD at its highest quality setting. Meanwhile the rest of the world...............is even further away from 4K streaming...........with a cost that makes one's nose bleed. Which are reasons why physical media will be around for a long time. Cheers Gary
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Post by cwt on May 11, 2016 2:51:27 GMT -5
I recently bumped up to 400 gig package, $190 Canadian. It would be cheaper to just buy the movie lol Ouch ; this may cheer you up if its accurate www.phileweb.com/sp/news/d-av/201605/06/38759.htmlGOOGLE translate may point too a transport with no useless multi analog outs ?
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Post by Axis on May 11, 2016 5:30:57 GMT -5
I recently bumped up to 400 gig package, $190 Canadian. It would be cheaper to just buy the movie lol Ouch ; this may cheer you up if its accurate www.phileweb.com/sp/news/d-av/201605/06/38759.htmlGOOGLE translate may point too a transport with no useless multi analog outs ? Last I read it was the 103 4k to come end of 2016 and the 105 4k in 2017.
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Post by cwt on May 11, 2016 6:07:37 GMT -5
Last I read it was the 103 4k to come end of 2016 and the 105 4k in 2017. That equates well to another reference that mentioned the holiday period thanks Axis . www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1453292591I hope the oppo's include the bd copy function the bda says is being currently worked on ; will save buying multiple disc packs and help prices drop hopefully Certainly dont need multi analog outs when discs will have object audio encoding so a 103 even without darbee will do ..
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Post by qdtjni on May 11, 2016 7:36:41 GMT -5
As for bandwidth around the world this is some interesting stats: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speedsKeith has a far point re the bottlenecks not necessarily being your own connection speed, instead the content providers and network operators would in many cases be the threshold. That can be overcome through caching as pointed out by Keith. Not saying that physical media might die soon, just that I would like to have high quality streaming as an alternative.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 11, 2016 11:24:45 GMT -5
The problem for many of us in rural locations is that the physical infrastructure may never be upgraded, we have power and POTS. For a while there seemed to be movement on ISPs providing service over power lines, but I haven't seen much new in years. Our ISP specializes in rural service via wireless, we get Internet access from a tower on a ridge about a mile away, luckily we're line of sight. Last summer I upgraded to their fastest "HD" package – a whopping 6 Mbps! I get faster service over 4G, but of course with data caps. So my only real 4K streaming option will be satellite, Dish has been our provider. Eventually wireless technologies may improve to give us faster Internet service, but for the moment I hope physical media remains an option.
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Post by KeithL on May 11, 2016 15:10:44 GMT -5
There are other services on the horizon (for example, Google has been experimenting with WiFi provided by large geostationary high-altitude balloons - yes, really).... DSL itself, over a POTS line, is also actually capable of over 30 mbps downstream speed (but only under certain conditions). It certainly seems likely that, as the demand increases, the availability will follow. It's also possible that, with the current "initiatives to bring broadband to the masses", the government may start subsidizing rural ISPs to build up their infrastructure sometime soon. In general, the way it works is that, once enough people in your rural area are willing to pay for high-speed Internet access, someone will find it worthwhile to run a fiber. However, satellite is a perfectly viable medium for 4k - especially if you're willing to settle for a combination of scheduled programming and "pre-streamed demand content". (That's where you get to ask for what you want on-demand, but you have to request it ahead of time, and download it before you can watch it. Check out Vidity - which should be able to deliver 4k content that way over any reasonably fast connection.) The problem for many of us in rural locations is that the physical infrastructure may never be upgraded, we have power and POTS. For a while there seemed to be movement on ISPs providing service over power lines, but I haven't seen much new in years. Our ISP specializes in rural service via wireless, we get Internet access from a tower on a ridge about a mile away, luckily we're line of sight. Last summer I upgraded to their fastest "HD" package – a whopping 6 Mbps! I get faster service over 4G, but of course with data caps. So my only real 4K streaming option will be satellite, Dish has been our provider. Eventually wireless technologies may improve to give us faster Internet service, but for the moment I hope physical media remains an option.
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Post by KeithL on May 11, 2016 16:14:46 GMT -5
Don't make assumptions like that..... I can;t speak for the actual 4k CONTENT infrastructure - but check out this list of the average Internet download speed people have in various countries..... www.internetsociety.org/map/global-internet-report/?gclid=CN7b_9_30swCFYQ8gQodzZQCTA#download-speed-fixedHint... starting from the fastest, the US ranks #21.... I read an article (about two years ago now), that stated that only about one half to one third of US Netflix subscribers had fast enough connections to stream Netflix HD at its highest quality setting. Meanwhile the rest of the world...............is even further away from 4K streaming...........with a cost that makes one's nose bleed. Which are reasons why physical media will be around for a long time. Cheers Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on May 12, 2016 1:13:30 GMT -5
Meanwhile the rest of the world...............is even further away from 4K streaming...........with a cost that makes one's nose bleed. Which are reasons why physical media will be around for a long time. And ...... wait for it ............ where's that drum role...........Australia is 46th Cheers Gary
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Post by cwt on May 12, 2016 6:28:19 GMT -5
And ...... wait for it ............ where's that drum role...........Australia is 46th Gary I feel a bit cheated sitting here in the 7th biggest city in Aus and not getting the 15.73 Mbits/s avg download speed but about 5 over the old adsl2 Not looking too much better with the broadband + copper to the house thats still coming
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Post by bolle on Mar 21, 2017 2:24:01 GMT -5
I can assure you that our new HDR capable HDMI board IS coming along nicely. You can purchase the XMC-1 with complete confidence knowing that it will be kept up to date. Thanks for your confidence in Emotiva! Cheers, Big Dan Hi Dan, 11 months later - how is the progress on this HDMI board? Thank you and best regards Fabian
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Post by bigsam411 on Mar 21, 2017 7:11:38 GMT -5
I can assure you that our new HDR capable HDMI board IS coming along nicely. You can purchase the XMC-1 with complete confidence knowing that it will be kept up to date. Thanks for your confidence in Emotiva! Cheers, Big Dan Hi Dan, 11 months later - how is the progress on this HDMI board? Thank you and best regards Fabian You can order it from here: emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/hdmi-20-upgrade-boardThat has been available on the site since before I have been looking at Emotivas products back in January.
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Post by bolle on Mar 21, 2017 7:19:07 GMT -5
What you linked is a different board - HDMI 2.0, not 2.0a!
As far as I know you need HDMI 2.0a for HDR...
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Post by geebo on Mar 21, 2017 7:21:33 GMT -5
What you linked is a different board - HDMI 2.0, not 2.0a! As far as I know you need HDMI 2.0a for HDR... What he said. The current board is HDMI 2.0 for one input and one output only. The new board will be 2.0a for all inputs and outputs.
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 21, 2017 7:28:19 GMT -5
What you linked is a different board - HDMI 2.0, not 2.0a! As far as I know you need HDMI 2.0a for HDR... You're correct on both counts. The currently available upgrade board (which also ships pre-installed with all new purchases) is HDMI 2.0 and does not support HDR. The upcoming board will support HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 and HDR on all inputs (not just one). Still waiting for this one.....
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 21, 2017 7:34:19 GMT -5
What you linked is a different board - HDMI 2.0, not 2.0a! As far as I know you need HDMI 2.0a for HDR... You're correct on both counts. The currently available upgrade board (which also ships pre-installed with all new purchases) is HDMI 2.0 and does not support HDR. The upcoming board will support HDMI 2.1a/HDCP 2.2 and HDR on all inputs (not just one). Still waiting for this one..... Me too. Hopefully soon.
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Post by geebo on Mar 21, 2017 7:38:01 GMT -5
What you linked is a different board - HDMI 2.0, not 2.0a! As far as I know you need HDMI 2.0a for HDR... You're correct on both counts. The currently available upgrade board (which also ships pre-installed with all new purchases) is HDMI 2.0 and does not support HDR. The upcoming board will support HDMI 2.1a/HDCP 2.2 and HDR on all inputs (not just one). Still waiting for this one..... HDMI 2.1a?
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 21, 2017 8:25:17 GMT -5
You're correct on both counts. The currently available upgrade board (which also ships pre-installed with all new purchases) is HDMI 2.0 and does not support HDR. The upcoming board will support HDMI 2.1a/HDCP 2.2 and HDR on all inputs (not just one). Still waiting for this one..... HDMI 2.1a? Yeah, didn't you get the memo... LOL... Just kidding, it was a typo. Now fixed...
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Post by geebo on Mar 21, 2017 8:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, didn't you get the memo... LOL... Just kidding, it was a typo. Now fixed... Hey, you never know with HDMI and their version changes.
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