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Post by repeetavx on May 27, 2016 13:40:53 GMT -5
From the products page:
It looks like the A-500 and the A-700 have two output devices per channel. Where the A-300 looks like it has four output devices per channel. That doesn't prevent the Damping Factor from being greater than 500 for all of the outputs.
No discussion of transformer capacity. I'm assuming that they have a conventional power supply.
The signal to noise is > 100 dB (A-weighted); ref 1 watt for all of the amps.
Emotiva looks like they've standardized all of their amps to a voltage gain of 29 db.
Designed in Nashville, USA. Precision Crafted in China.
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Post by leonski on May 27, 2016 14:34:42 GMT -5
Damping factor is nearly irrelevent. Anything over maybe 50 (real world) will be fine. Don't forget that by real world, I ADD speaker wire resistance and crossover resistance.
Don't forget, too, that some speakers, mainly some single driver designs and Old-School BIG box speakers (Altec, Bozak, Klipsch) were designedto work properly with a DF of sometimes even LESS than 1.
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Post by yeeeha17 on May 27, 2016 15:21:25 GMT -5
Why only 3 years warranty and not the 5?
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Post by leonski on May 27, 2016 15:35:34 GMT -5
to keep price down. When you purchase something like an amplifier or even a car battery, potential warranty costs are part of the price. You just don't see it. If you want a 5 year warranty, be prepared to PAY for it up front. With car batteries, they sell essentially the SAME battery at different price points with Warranty and ProRate being the difference. Want a 12month free /24month prorate? CHEAP. Same battery with a 60 month free replacement? That'll cost a LOT more.
Besides? I personally believe and have seen LOTS of equipment in my time. Most will fail sooner than later IF it is going to fail. Unless abused, an amp that gets thru the first YEAR or so without problem will go the distance. Keep the abused part in mind. A hot cabinet? IMO, that's ABUSE. Over driven regularly? ABUSE. Asking it to play RAP or OPERA? ABUSE.
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Post by Cogito on May 27, 2016 15:59:14 GMT -5
I think the BasX amps would be off my short list for a secondary system. Why? Those damn fans that collect dust, make noise and fail way too often. I would rather have a larger "fool proof" heat sink.
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Post by teaman on May 27, 2016 16:25:15 GMT -5
to keep price down. When you purchase something like an amplifier or even a car battery, potential warranty costs are part of the price. You just don't see it. If you want a 5 year warranty, be prepared to PAY for it up front. With car batteries, they sell essentially the SAME battery at different price points with Warranty and ProRate being the difference. Want a 12month free /24month prorate? CHEAP. Same battery with a 60 month free replacement? That'll cost a LOT more. Besides? I personally believe and have seen LOTS of equipment in my time. Most will fail sooner than later IF it is going to fail. Unless abused, an amp that gets thru the first YEAR or so without problem will go the distance. Keep the abused part in mind. A hot cabinet? IMO, that's ABUSE. Over driven regularly? ABUSE. Asking it to play RAP or OPERA? ABUSE. I think they should have stuck with the 5 year warranty on all of their gear. No reason to cheap down on a warranty.
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Post by leonski on May 27, 2016 17:19:03 GMT -5
Question than becomes one of how much MORE is the amp worth with the 5 year VS 3 year warranty?
Don't forget that BRYSTON, which is fairly high priced has LIFETIME warranty on AMPS. This to original purchaser, I think. Bryston ALSO goes thru a lot of work prior to sale to weed-out any marginal or defective amps. They do some kind of stress test / burn in under load.
My Parasound is a 5 and 5 warranty.
Is the longer warranty worth 50$ for the '300? 100$? More?
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Post by garbulky on May 27, 2016 17:43:33 GMT -5
Transformer and capacitor ratings are not given. The four ohm ratings are now at 1% THD which is ten times higher than their standard 0.1% THD rating. Also note that the 1%THD is rated at 1khz (unlike the 20 to 20khz bandwidth of the 8 ohm rating). Now I assume that's to meet the "double power show for 4 ohms".
All that being said, I'm not too worried about the amp. It looks very similar to the UPA-200, 500 and 700 albeit with a price increase. The UPA-200 equivalent is now $50 more (reasonable) the 500 is now $100 more and the 700 $100 more which are a bit more of an increase. Couple that with a reduction of two years in warranty. But they seem like solid amps and they still use transformers so that is good.
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Post by garbulky on May 27, 2016 17:45:23 GMT -5
I think they should have stuck with the 5 year warranty on all of their gear. No reason to cheap down on a warranty. If it's reliable then there is no significant cost to offering 5 instead of 3. Am I wrong with that train of thought? As soon as I start to see shorter warranty - I start wondering what other fine print I'm missing. Yes and no. If they are as reliable as the previous models, let's say 1% failure rate in five years. And assuming they service all 1% then it costs them say $100,000 for five yeras. But let's say they lower their warranty by two years. Then the same 1% failure rate for five years will cost Emotiva less money as it's for less years.
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 27, 2016 18:01:15 GMT -5
We are offering a very solid warranty on the BasX series that is better then the majority of electronics out there. I am really surprised that this is even being discussed.
Oppo is 2 years. Marantz is 3. Most of the big companies out there are 1 or 2 years at best. The products are priced so competitively, I am not sure what what the issue is.
Oh well...
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 27, 2016 18:04:49 GMT -5
And by the way, these products are much better in terms of build quality, design, and performance than the earlier products they replace...
Thank god it's a long weekend... I'm going to turn off my computer before I have a stroke...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 18:05:35 GMT -5
We are offering a very solid warranty on the BasX series that is better then the majority of electronics out there. I am really surprised that this is even being discussed. Oppo is 2 years. Marantz is 3. Most of the big companies out there are 1 or 2 years at best. The products are priced so competitively, I am not sure what what the issue is. Oh well... Cause it screams out that you probably don't have confidence in the new components in this line of amps. And 3 years is all you'll do If you know everything is super solid and will be RARE if it breaks down then 5 years 10 years who cares?
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Post by Axis on May 27, 2016 18:06:13 GMT -5
We are offering a very solid warranty on the BasX series that is better then the majority of electronics out there. I am really surprised that this is even being discussed. Oppo is 2 years. Marantz is 3. Most of the big companies out there are 1 or 2 years at best. The products are priced so competitively, I am not sure what what the issue is. Oh well... Thank you for being here Dan. We want you here you more often. You have a lot of good stuff coming and we want to hear all about it ! This is fun for us and we know it is fun for you so please keep coming here !
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Post by Axis on May 27, 2016 18:07:50 GMT -5
And by the way, these products are much better in terms of build quality, design, and performance than the earlier products they replace... Thank god it's a long weekend... I'm going to turn off my computer before I have a stroke... I been telling them this. They just need to get it in there hands to know this !
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Post by dmraupp on May 27, 2016 18:49:37 GMT -5
And by the way, these products are much better in terms of build quality, design, and performance than the earlier products they replace... Thank god it's a long weekend... I'm going to turn off my computer before I have a stroke... Nice to know,I am very happy I sold those off.
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Post by monkumonku on May 27, 2016 18:51:42 GMT -5
The way I look at it, where else are you going to find amps with this much power and build quality for those kind of prices? To keep the prices low, something has to give and in this case it seems like the warranty period was shortened. 3 years is still comparatively generous compared to other brands. 5 channels each with 110 watts for $500... if you want a longer warranty buy a more expensive amp where the cost of repairs for two more years is built into the price of the amp. By the time 3 years is up, most folks will have purchased something else anyway and if you're wanting a longer warranty to preserve resale value, you're not going to recover that much on a $500 investment anyway.
For goodness sakes, stop asking for the world here. It's like the entitlement culture of this country has landed full force in the Lounge.
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Post by leonski on May 27, 2016 18:54:22 GMT -5
to keep price down. When you purchase something like an amplifier or even a car battery, potential warranty costs are part of the price. You just don't see it. If you want a 5 year warranty, be prepared to PAY for it up front. With car batteries, they sell essentially the SAME battery at different price points with Warranty and ProRate being the difference. Want a 12month free /24month prorate? CHEAP. Same battery with a 60 month free replacement? That'll cost a LOT more. Besides? I personally believe and have seen LOTS of equipment in my time. Most will fail sooner than later IF it is going to fail. Unless abused, an amp that gets thru the first YEAR or so without problem will go the distance. Keep the abused part in mind. A hot cabinet? IMO, that's ABUSE. Over driven regularly? ABUSE. Asking it to play RAP or OPERA? ABUSE. I don't agree with that. Batteries are consumable with a short lifespan. And some environments (heck - states) are worse than others. Besides - a battery with a longer warranty may have a higher build quality. I don't think it's fair at all to compare a disposable part to a solid state amp. I brought in car batteries because that is a clear case of 'BUYING WARRANT' with price increases. There are only 2 or maybe 3 car battery manufacturers in the US today. And yes, local price difference probably do exist and in no small part driven by local and state law. I bought a battery just YESTERDAY. I brought the OLD one in. The 15$ 'core charge' was ADDED to the bill, that sum was TAXED (8.% around here) THAN the 15$ was subtracted! TAXED for nothing! It is a 44 month battery. Across ANY given line you will see a clear relationship of PRICE to WARRANTY LENGTH for any given battery. IOW? You are Pre Buying the warranty. Some batteries DO have a higher build quality or maybe you are paying for materials and a different fabrication process. Like AGM batteries. They'll take ANYTHING and are good in off road racing cars AND high speed power boats, like OffShore Racers. IN either application, a regular battery will last a couple hours. The rugged AGM stuff? Can't kill it. But you are paying quite a premium. For normal automotive use? Nice, but not quite necessary. As for EMO equipement? I'd expect the majority of Warranty Claims in the first year and tapering off after that. From 3 to 5 years? Maybe 10% or so. Maybe less. Maybe more. But length of coverage DOES cost more. Were they to offer a lifetime warranty? They'd have to upgrade some parts (higher MTBF), perhaps increase the number of quality steps AND maybe even do a burn-in of complete amps. And BOY, would the price go UP.
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Post by dmraupp on May 27, 2016 19:01:26 GMT -5
We are offering a very solid warranty on the BasX series that is better then the majority of electronics out there. I am really surprised that this is even being discussed. Oppo is 2 years. Marantz is 3. Most of the big companies out there are 1 or 2 years at best. The products are priced so competitively, I am not sure what what the issue is. Oh well... Oppo actually started with a 1 year warranty and then implemented a 2 year warranty standard.That was a 100% increase,Emotiva used to have a 5 year warranty then implemented a 3 year warranty almost a 50% decrease,just saying.
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Post by geebo on May 27, 2016 19:12:46 GMT -5
The way I look at it, where else are you going to find amps with this much power and build quality for those kind of prices? To keep the prices low, something has to give and in this case it seems like the warranty period was shortened. 3 years is still comparatively generous compared to other brands. 5 channels each with 110 watts for $500... if you want a longer warranty buy a more expensive amp where the cost of repairs for two more years is built into the price of the amp. By the time 3 years is up, most folks will have purchased something else anyway and if you're wanting a longer warranty to preserve resale value, you're not going to recover that much on a $500 investment anyway. For goodness sakes, stop asking for the world here. It's like the entitlement culture of this country has landed full force in the Lounge. Three years is very good for a product such as these.
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Post by geebo on May 27, 2016 19:21:45 GMT -5
Three years is very good for a product such as these. In that case, 2 years should be very good too. Right? /Just playing the slippery slope argument for some Friday night fun... Editorial note: I'm not saying 3 years is bad for a budget amp. 3 is half again as good as 2. If 2 is very good then 1 should be too, right?
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