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Post by teaman on May 28, 2016 13:24:09 GMT -5
If our idiotic political class would get off their high horses companies like Emotiva could further thrive. All of the stupid legislation that gets passed and makes it harder for small-medium companies remain profitable is sickening. Keep on keeping on Dan. I have faith in your company and was not trying to ruffle any feathers with my comments either. Enjoy the weekend!
Tim
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Post by guitarforlife on May 28, 2016 13:26:26 GMT -5
I think every one should own and operate a SUCCESSFULL small company before all the whining and nay saying. Especially in a era when a generation is growing up thinking by plugging ear buds in your ears from a IPhone is high end stereo.
I say way to go Emotiva, Big Dan, and crew. You cant make all happy. This thread is one reason I have spent so little time on the Ol' Emo forum.
Maybe you should spend more time listening and enjoying the music these fine products make. But from the lack of any real music discussion on a audio site what more could one expect. Even like Boom as well as Chuckie, There is not much here that really interest me any longer. Just a lot of nit picky over the length of a warranty. (Oh, by the way the warranty on a new corvette is three years and it cost $55k so you figure it out). Which is better or just as good as all the rest of the big boys out there. Peace Big Dan.
One other thing THANK YOU!!!! Big Dan for bringing some manufacturing back home. While most are going over seas you have tried to bring it back and for that I give you all my Thanks.
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Post by moovtune on May 28, 2016 14:07:24 GMT -5
Maybe this has been answered already, but how many watts are the 5 and 7 channel versions. 80 watts or 110 watts per channel - all channels driven. There is conflicting info on the product page.
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Post by repeetavx on May 28, 2016 14:12:37 GMT -5
From the specs. section.
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Post by moovtune on May 28, 2016 14:16:21 GMT -5
And from the list of amplifiers page :
7-Channel Power Amplfier 7 x 110 Watts into 8 ohms
5-Channel Power Amplfier 5 x 110 Watts into 8 ohms
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Post by repeetavx on May 28, 2016 14:22:15 GMT -5
Ok, yeah I see it. Each of the seven channels is capable of 110 watts if the other ones aren't being pushed. Clear as mud.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 28, 2016 14:41:00 GMT -5
Ok, yeah I see it. Each of the seven channels is capable of 110 watts if the other ones aren't being pushed. Clear as mud. Actually it's 110 watts two channels driven, 80 watts all channels driven: From the specs on the product page:
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 28, 2016 15:02:56 GMT -5
You might want to note that our all channels driven power rating is full bandwidth 20-20k, not just 1kHz. Also, it is less than .1% THD at this rated power. This is very a conservative power rating and will better the actual performance of most receivers rated at much higher power levels.
These amps sound huge. And incredibly musical and clean. The 2x50 watt BasX integrated just absolutely kills. You will not believe what 50 watts per channel of real power can sound like.
I predict this line will be a huge hit with seasoned audiophiles and entry level buyers alike. When something is good, it's good.
Just saying...
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Post by LCSeminole on May 28, 2016 15:24:49 GMT -5
You might want to note that our all channels driven power rating is full bandwidth 20-20k, not just 1kHz. Also, it is less than .1% THD at this rated power. This is very a conservative power rating and will better the actual performance of most receivers rated at much higher power levels. These amps sound huge. And incredibly musical and clean. The 2x50 watt BasX integrated just absolutely kills. You will not believe what 50 watts per channel of real power can sound like. I predict this line will be a huge hit with seasoned audiophiles and entry level buyers alike. When something is good, it's good. Just saying... I'm really looking forward to the A-100 powering my headphones.
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 28, 2016 15:46:00 GMT -5
The A-100 has a headphone output driven directly from the amplifier stage. It has a current liming resistor that can be overridden by a simple removable link or easily modified to optimize for a particular type of headphone load. It'll drive the pants off of low efficiency phones, like planars. Also, it's much quieter then the original A-100 and uses the new amplifier design too.
It's all good.
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Post by garbulky on May 28, 2016 15:49:05 GMT -5
The A-100 has a headphone output driven directly from the amplifier stage. It has a current liming resistor that can be overridden by a simple removable link or easily modified to optimize for a particular type of headphone load. It'll drive the pants off of low efficiency phones, like planars. Also, it's much quieter then the original A-100 and uses the new amplifier design too. It's all good. Very exciting! Do you have any power specs on headphone output? For instance the 300 ohm spec? That is my HD600. That kind of power could put a lot of other headphone amps to shame competing with Schiit's bigger amps too.
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Post by bigen27 on May 28, 2016 16:26:48 GMT -5
We are offering a very solid warranty on the BasX series that is better then the majority of electronics out there. I am really surprised that this is even being discussed. Oppo is 2 years. Marantz is 3. Most of the big companies out there are 1 or 2 years at best. The products are priced so competitively, I amendment not sure what what the issue is. Oh well... Well, Dan I'm sorry that some people are ungreatfull and can never be pleased but some of us are thankful for the oppertunity to own better quality audio equipment for cheaper than the industry standards. Can't wait to see the rest of your offering especially the speakers.
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Post by pbernotas on May 28, 2016 16:49:13 GMT -5
Exciting!
but to be honest....'
I don't care about warranty. It's electronics and they are better engineered than ever.
I don't care what people think is better than the last. To me, my XPA-200 is much better than the BasX line because I can listen to my XPA thru my Klipsch speakers and get a huge smile and all I can do with the BasX line is read and wish!
Right now my system is the best there is..... to me.
But I can dream and wish! Great announcement on your BasX line, Dan
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Post by pelennor on May 28, 2016 20:01:29 GMT -5
Perfect timing - just as I'm in the market for a new amp. So at the moment I've got a Crown XLS-1000 driving my mains (4 ohm circa 91 sensitivity kit speakers), and my Emotiva ERD-1 surrounds are sitting undriven Center channel is a similar spec kit speaker driven by a UPA-1, all controlled by a UMC-1. So I'm thinking a BASX A-300 to drive the mains (largely due to it's lower THD than the Crown, even though in theory slightly less power), and relegate the Crown to the surrounds. I don't really listen at high volumes these days, so overdriving shouldn't be too much of a problem. The only thing I'm wondering about is whether it's up to driving two 4 ohm loads. Although the specifications quote 300wpc into 4ohms with two channels driven, under the minimum recommended load impedance section they state "Minimum Recommended Load Impedance 4 Ohms; which equals one 4 Ohm load or two paralleled 8 Ohm loads.". So does that mean that it can only drive a single 4 ohm load in bridged mode? Or am I misreading here. I'd really like to go Emotiva for my next amp for the convenience factor of the triggers, but I don't have the funds to go for the XPA line, so it's really between the BASX A-300 and a newer and higher spec Crown XLS.
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Post by garbulky on May 28, 2016 21:15:11 GMT -5
There's no bridged capability in Bas-X. It will drive an 8 ohm speaker or a 4 ohm speaker at the wattages mentioned. It can't or is not designed do lower in impedance 4 ohms
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Post by rbk123 on May 28, 2016 22:01:43 GMT -5
It's deja vu - same back and forth being rehashed as when the XPA G3 details came out; we're 2 for 2 on new gear. Hopefully when the speakers come out, we won't go for the trifecta. With all due respect to our forum family, you guys do not really understand our thinking as it relates to dealers and how we accommodate them. We can only accept a certain percentage of our business from dealers or our margins suffer too much. Repeating... We do not raise prices because of the dealers. This actually should go in a sticky or somewhere visible. It's going to come up again and again (considering how it already has kept coming up again and again), either amongst people not reading this thread or new visitors to the site. Most on here loathe dealers and will continue to assume any type of interaction with them will inevitably end up in a greater cost.
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Post by sycraft on May 29, 2016 1:39:25 GMT -5
Ok, yeah I see it. Each of the seven channels is capable of 110 watts if the other ones aren't being pushed. Clear as mud. How is that unclear? That's pretty normal for amp ratings. Remember that max power isn't a magic setting inside the amp, it is based on whatever component happens to limit the power, and there are several that can do it. The biggest two potential limitations are the output devices, meaning the actual transistors that drive the signal, or the power supply. Now if you are making a single channel amp, the relationship between those is simple: Make a power supply big enough to supply the necessary current to fully drive your output devices to full level. You match power input and output basically. Slightly more complex in reality (you have to decide what actual max output you want to target, with regards to distortion level) but that's the basic idea. I make a monoblock with transistors that can handle 100 watts, I give it a PSU that outputs enough juice to them to hit 100 watts output. Well that all goes out the window with multi-channel. Now I have a bunch of options. You could make an amp where you add all the output stages max power together and give them a PSU to handle it. Thing is, that is going to push up the cost with very little real world benefit. Bigger PSUs cost bigger dollars. Go look at computer PSUs for an easy idea of how pricing works. Putting in a big PSU makes it cost more, makes it heavier and the thing is sound is rarely all channels, all the time. If you monitor the sound output in a movie or in surround audio you find the surrounds do not put out the big hits much if at all. Generally only a couple channels, the fronts and maybe the center, get driven really hard. So when making a multi-channel amp it can make sense to trade off a smaller PSU for either less cost or for spending more money on the output stage. You make each channel capable of bigger hits at a given price point. You see that with pretty much all amps. Look at the Gen 3 X series: They'll do 300wpc in to 8 ohms per channel card. That's the limit of their output devices (or rather the limit at the distortion level Emotiva has chosen to target). However big as the PSU is, it can't maintain that for lots of channels. So if you have 7 channels and drive them all to max, you get only 200wpc. Each and every channel is capable of 300wpc, but not all at the same time. There actually you are hitting limits of the current that a wall socket can deliver. If you run it off a 240 volt line, the figures will go up as the amp has more input power now, and thus can do more output. So same deal on a smaller scale going on with the BasX and wit any multi-channel amp you'll find. It is very, VERY rare for a company to choose to limit their output stages such that the PSU is big enough to allow them all to be driven to the highest level, because that is just an unusual situation. Far more flexible to allow for higher level output as needed. As some other comparison point look at the MiniDSP PWR16: A small 16 channel class D amp for HT or distribution. Each channel can pull 80 watts output, but it only has a 400 watt PSU to keep size, cost and heat down. So all channels driven it is only 25wpc. What's more it is only spec'd to do it for about 80 seconds, due to the fact it doesn't have a lot of heat dissipation. All in all it allows them to put a ton of amplification in a 1RU space, with very low power draw, and still provide a good amount of output. It is very flexible. Even big stage amps usually can't handle all outputs maxed all the time. Like the Crown I-Tech 4x3500HD. It is rated to 2100wpc 8ohms, or 3500wpc 2ohms and it a 4 channel amp. However drive all 4 channels at the same time and it drops to 1900wpc 8 ohms, and 2100wpc 2ohms. Still imprssive, but not full rating. Oh, and to do that it needs a 230v 40a power input.
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Post by saturnx on May 29, 2016 8:11:21 GMT -5
You might want to note that our all channels driven power rating is full bandwidth 20-20k, not just 1kHz. Also, it is less than .1% THD at this rated power. This is very a conservative power rating and will better the actual performance of most receivers rated at much higher power levels. These amps sound huge. And incredibly musical and clean. The 2x50 watt BasX integrated just absolutely kills. You will not believe what 50 watts per channel of real power can sound like. I predict this line will be a huge hit with seasoned audiophiles and entry level buyers alike. When something is good, it's good. Just saying... When will the 2x50 watt Basx integrated be available? Sorry if I am behind the times, but this sounds interesting. Thanks Steve
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Post by DavidR on May 29, 2016 8:33:47 GMT -5
Question than becomes one of how much MORE is the amp worth with the 5 year VS 3 year warranty? Don't forget that BRYSTON, which is fairly high priced has LIFETIME warranty on AMPS. This to original purchaser, I think. Bryston ALSO goes thru a lot of work prior to sale to weed-out any marginal or defective amps. They do some kind of stress test / burn in under load. My Parasound is a 5 and 5 warranty. Is the longer warranty worth 50$ for the '300? 100$? More? Bryston has a 20 year warranty not lifetime and believe me you are paying a lot for that warranty period. I always found them to be bass shy.
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Post by teaman on May 29, 2016 9:47:00 GMT -5
Question than becomes one of how much MORE is the amp worth with the 5 year VS 3 year warranty? Don't forget that BRYSTON, which is fairly high priced has LIFETIME warranty on AMPS. This to original purchaser, I think. Bryston ALSO goes thru a lot of work prior to sale to weed-out any marginal or defective amps. They do some kind of stress test / burn in under load. My Parasound is a 5 and 5 warranty. Is the longer warranty worth 50$ for the '300? 100$? More? Bryston has a 20 year warranty not lifetime and believe me you are paying a lot for that warranty period. I always found them to be bass shy. I just went to the Bryston site and if you look closely their digital products are only warranted for five years, not twenty. Maybe this is the new norm, different levels of warranty for different lines of products
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