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Post by DavidR on May 29, 2016 9:54:15 GMT -5
Bryston has a 20 year warranty not lifetime and believe me you are paying a lot for that warranty period. I always found them to be bass shy. I just went to the Bryston site and if you look closely their digital products are only warranted for five years, not twenty. Maybe this is the new norm, different levels of warranty for different lines of products I was referring to their amps but thanks for the heads up.
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Post by novisnick on May 29, 2016 10:02:45 GMT -5
The same,,,,,,but different!! But im sure y'all get my point. Roof shingles,
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Post by srpawski on May 29, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
sh** on a shingle
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Post by leonski on May 29, 2016 11:06:55 GMT -5
You are RIGHT! 20 year, NOT lifetime! I don't know what I was thinking. That's for POWER AMPS. I cared less about 'the sound' than the warranty. Some people like it. Others? not so much. And YES, The Bryston Integrated or DAC has a shorter warranty than the Power Amps, it would appear. The warranty is transferrable EXCEPT for Bryston Speakers. Some Bryston stuff has ONLY 3 or 5 year coverage.
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Post by MusicHead on May 29, 2016 12:08:10 GMT -5
You are RIGHT! 20 year, NOT lifetime! I don't know what I was thinking. That's for POWER AMPS. I cared less about 'the sound' than the warranty. Some people like it. Others? not so much. And YES, The Bryston Integrated or DAC has a shorter warranty than the Power Amps, it would appear. The warranty is transferrable EXCEPT for Bryston Speakers. Some Bryston stuff has ONLY 3 or 5 year coverage. The D+M group does the same. Their Marantz brand offers a 3-yr warranty, more than their Denon siblings. Yes, different brands but the designs are shared. What Marantz claim are the differences between the "voicing" of their products and Denon's should be irrelevant to the extent of warranty length. My Fusion 8100 came with a 3-yr warranty, not five. I do not consider it a second class Emotiva product.
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Post by bigen27 on May 29, 2016 14:38:24 GMT -5
So my question is how would these compair to the fusion 8100? Would it be worth it to upgrade to the basX or should I wait for the emersa line? Thinking of waiting for the emersa line might be the better way to go.
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Post by repeetavx on May 29, 2016 15:27:42 GMT -5
Eagerly waiting aren't we. Until Emotiva releases them, and enough people buy them to form a concensus, we won't know how they compare.
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Post by mdanderson on May 29, 2016 18:35:07 GMT -5
I have a Marantz SR5010 receiver with 100 wpc and the sound is very good, but I am wondering how the BasX-A500 will sound compared to it. I had an Emotiva xpa-5 until a tornado wiped out my audio stuff last December. Sorry to hear about the tornado. Mother Nature can be punishing that way. IMHO your 'digms will thank you for the BasXA-500. Thanks hemster for your input. I think separates will always have an edge on receivers. The only thing that concerned me was the 80wpc all channels driven but my Marantz is probably not even putting that much out with all channels driven. Thanks again.
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Post by MusicHead on May 29, 2016 19:41:00 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about the tornado. Mother Nature can be punishing that way. IMHO your 'digms will thank you for the BasXA-500. Thanks hemster for your input. I think separates will always have an edge on receivers. The only thing that concerned me was the 80wpc all channels driven but my Marantz is probably not even putting that much out with all channels driven. Thanks again. I could not find the report for the SR-5010, but you can look at its predecessor, the SR-5009: www.soundandvision.com/content/marantz-sr5009-av-receiver-review-test-bench#grGmhSOpRxsflixM.97Notice however that the power was tested at 1kHz, not full bandwidth. It is not mentioned, but a while ago I sent them an email to ask and that is what they said :-)
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Post by srpawski on May 29, 2016 19:45:36 GMT -5
Love my SR-5010. No comparison with my XPA-5 Gen 2 doing the amplification. I think even at 80 wpc it would sound better than through the 5010.
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Post by MusicHead on May 29, 2016 19:59:00 GMT -5
So my question is how would these compair to the fusion 8100? Would it be worth it to upgrade to the basX or should I wait for the emersa line? Thinking of waiting for the emersa line might be the better way to go. The 8100 was said to be closely related to the Ultra series, sort of the UMC-200 combined with the UPA-700 and a smaller power supply. Dan says that the BasX has been improved over the Ultra (he got into some details in a previous post in this thread), thus I would expect better performance to some degree. Consider also that with the BasX you have separates, not exactly an apple to apple comparison. On the other hand, speaking of raw power alone, to get +3dB headroom you got to double the power. The Fusion 8100 is rated 7x65W all channels driven, the A-700 is 7x80W. If you are looking for more power, it might interesting to consider an A-300 for L/R main and an A-500 for the other channels. Last but not least, the Emersa line amps are Class-D. Nothing wrong with it, just another difference compared with the Fusion 8100 and the BasX.
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Post by mdanderson on Jun 1, 2016 21:40:43 GMT -5
Thanks hemster for your input. I think separates will always have an edge on receivers. The only thing that concerned me was the 80wpc all channels driven but my Marantz is probably not even putting that much out with all channels driven. Thanks again. I could not find the report for the SR-5010, but you can look at its predecessor, the SR-5009: www.soundandvision.com/content/marantz-sr5009-av-receiver-review-test-bench#grGmhSOpRxsflixM.97Notice however that the power was tested at 1kHz, not full bandwidth. It is not mentioned, but a while ago I sent them an email to ask and that is what they said :-) Thanks musichead for that info.
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Post by ilok on Jun 3, 2016 21:15:34 GMT -5
Damping factor is relevant, but speaker cable length just destroys it. You can hear the power of damping mainly in active monitors only.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 3, 2016 21:45:43 GMT -5
Damping factor is relevant, but speaker cable length just destroys it. You can hear the power of damping mainly in active monitors only. Would not mono blocks with short speaker wire be the same?
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Post by leonski on Jun 3, 2016 23:40:03 GMT -5
Active monitors have the 'advantage' of the crossover being prior to amplification. So, not only are the drivers pretty much directly connected to the amp but the amp no longer has to reproduce 'out of band' information. A win-win. Speaker level crossovers are resistive, in addition to capacitive and inductive. This is what REALLY destroys damping factor. In real-world situations, anything over about 50 is considered good enough.
Amount of damping needed is VERY design dependent. It is not Always a 'mo-betta situation.
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Post by oldschoolpolk on Jun 4, 2016 6:14:43 GMT -5
The new BasX line looks great to me. Seriously, the new facia, great specs, value priced. I got the A-100 for $149 last December and can't believe what it can drive. Looking forward to the new BasX300 but am interested in the ICEPower units coming soon so will wait.
Cheers to Dan and his team.
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Post by eirik84 on Jun 4, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5
You are RIGHT! 20 year, NOT lifetime! I don't know what I was thinking. That's for POWER AMPS. I cared less about 'the sound' than the warranty. Some people like it. Others? not so much. And YES, The Bryston Integrated or DAC has a shorter warranty than the Power Amps, it would appear. The warranty is transferrable EXCEPT for Bryston Speakers. Some Bryston stuff has ONLY 3 or 5 year coverage. The D+M group does the same. Their Marantz brand offers a 3-yr warranty, more than their Denon siblings. Yes, different brands but the designs are shared. What Marantz claim are the differences between the "voicing" of their products and Denon's should be irrelevant to the extent of warranty length. My Fusion 8100 came with a 3-yr warranty, not five. I do not consider it a second class Emotiva product. In Norway we get 6 years warranty on Denon, NAD, Cambridge, Dali and B&W-products
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Post by leonski on Jun 4, 2016 15:55:16 GMT -5
What is more expensive for EQUAL product? The Denon or Marantz? I'd expect the more expensive to have longer warranty. Is that correct?
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Post by bolle on Jun 7, 2016 14:21:00 GMT -5
And from the list of amplifiers page : 7-Channel Power Amplfier 7 x 110 Watts into 8 ohms 5-Channel Power Amplfier 5 x 110 Watts into 8 ohms In fact one of the first Posts regarding BasX on a big german Forum was about this - 7 x 110 Watts shown on the first page which are in fact "only" 7 x 80. I would rethink the Statement on the first page since it causes confusion. Takes 2 minutes to Change - just a friendly Suggestion.
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Post by deftech on Jun 7, 2016 23:09:40 GMT -5
I invite all of you to shop around. I believe you'll find that we are not such bad guys after all. And for the moment, it's still a free country. Vote with your wallets if you think we're charging you too much or not taking care of you properly. I know how hard we're working to do just that, so I'll take my chances. Cheers, Big Dan Big Dan, I bought my XPA Gen 3 BECAUSE it is MADE IN AMERICA. So I thank you for that. PS: I love it, and will continue to buy your products as long as you keep it built in U.S.A.
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