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Post by eirik84 on Aug 1, 2016 5:12:33 GMT -5
The last podcast confirms that a lot more products in the BasX-series are coming this year.
More amps, cd-player, etc - But there have not been mentioned any DAC in the series (but maybe I have missed it).
I would really love a new "XDA-2 lookalike" DAC in the BasX-series!
Anyone heard anything?
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Post by Axis on Aug 1, 2016 6:52:14 GMT -5
eirik84 If you have been listening to all of the recent Podcast you have more info than 50 % of the people here. There has only been a couple comments from Emotiva personal here on the Lounge. Nothing that has not been said on the Podcast. The EGO's are there new DAC's and all the BASX gear that include a DAC in them are based on that DAC. Instead of a stand alone DAC like the XDA's they are making the $299 PT-100 Stereo Preamplifier/DAC/Tuner and the $399 TA-100 Stereo Preamp/DAC/Tuner with Integrated Amplifier. They are the new XDA-2 but include much more for the same price as the old XDA-2. Cast away the Past and Rejoice in the New !  emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/pt-100emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/pres-and-pros/ta-100 |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 1, 2016 8:44:31 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if they do build a new stand alone DAC that is in a traditional rack form...not everyone wants one built in and not everyone wants a tiny one for their desktop. They have not talked about one yet, but...who knows?
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 1, 2016 9:16:27 GMT -5
Emotiva has developed some serious expertise in 2 channel DAC design so I'll be really surprised if they didn't continue to release standalone DACs. However, I am biased since I think the XDA-2 Gen 2 is so underrated. Just a great DAC.
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Post by KeithL on Aug 1, 2016 10:11:22 GMT -5
It's a distinct possibility  Emotiva has developed some serious expertise in 2 channel DAC design so I'll be really surprised if they didn't continue to release standalone DACs. However, I am biased since I think the XDA-2 Gen 2 is so underrated. Just a great DAC. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 1, 2016 10:57:31 GMT -5
I predict a future CD player model will have DAC inputs. This is becoming more common so it would not surprise me.
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Post by drtrey3 on Aug 1, 2016 11:00:17 GMT -5
I am not sure how many stand alone cd players will be made anywhere. I read that the last vhs tape player was manufactured recently. Such is the way of rapidly changing technology.
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Post by geebo on Aug 1, 2016 12:55:26 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if they do build a new stand alone DAC that is in a traditional rack form...not everyone wants one built in and not everyone wants a tiny one for their desktop. They have not talked about one yet, but...who knows? Mark I'd like to see one of DC-1 quality or better. |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 1, 2016 13:02:08 GMT -5
Me, too.
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Post by Axis on Aug 1, 2016 14:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by gzubeck on Aug 2, 2016 21:57:36 GMT -5
I would think that even after $500 for a stand alone dac the laws of diminishing returns start kicking in hard. I just don't need paper in oil caps rolled on the virgin thighs of beautiful Russian girls for $10000 DACs. |
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Post by KeithL on Aug 3, 2016 10:41:01 GMT -5
I would think that even after $500 for a stand alone dac the laws of diminishing returns start kicking in hard. I just don't need paper in oil caps rolled on the virgin thighs of beautiful Russian girls for $10000 DACs. I also hate to be the cynic here (well, not really)... but... while I'm not claiming that the DC-1 is absolutely the best sounding DAC in the world... or that there might not be better ones out there for more money... I wouldn't BET that a $90k one would NECESSARILY sound better than ours. You're beyond the point of diminishing returns there... and beyond the point of measurable technical improvements... and well into the realm of "somebody thinks it sounds better". (We might all agree that a $50 bottle of wine usually tastes better than a $10 bottle... but are you convinced that a $50,000 bottle really tastes noticeably better than a $1000 bottle?) Throw in the fact that few, if any, recordings these days are mastered on an ADC that's anywhere near as good as either of them.... and there are some serious doubts to be had.  I would ABSOLUTELY want to hear them next to each other before coming to any conclusions (and that is totally ignoring the price tag). |
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Post by Axis on Aug 3, 2016 11:13:04 GMT -5
I would think that even after $500 for a stand alone dac the laws of diminishing returns start kicking in hard. I just don't need paper in oil caps rolled on the virgin thighs of beautiful Russian girls for $10000 DACs. I also hate to be the cynic here (well, not really)... but... while I'm not claiming that the DC-1 is absolutely the best sounding DAC in the world... or that there might not be better ones out there for more money... I wouldn't BET that a $90k one would NECESSARILY sound better than ours. You're beyond the point of diminishing returns there... and beyond the point of measurable technical improvements... and well into the realm of "somebody thinks it sounds better". (We might all agree that a $50 bottle of wine usually tastes better than a $10 bottle... but are you convinced that a $50,000 bottle really tastes noticeably better than a $1000 bottle?) Throw in the fact that few, if any, recordings these days are mastered on an ADC that's anywhere near as good as either of them.... and there are some serious doubts to be had. I would ABSOLUTELY want to hear them next to each other before coming to any conclusions (and that is totally ignoring the price tag). Guys I was being silly. I agree with Keith 100%.  The Chord Electronics Dave for $14000 and the Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300 seem to be the DAC's everyone is saying that are the best. There is whole gamut of other DAC's out there that are Delta Sigma or R2R that have huge price tags. I read about this stuff and wonder what exactly are people hearing that I do not hear on my sony Walkman and sony headphones. What I hear is detail and beautiful sounding. My DC-1 and Airmotiv speakers when my head is right in the sweet spot sound incredible. Ok, go ahead and spend the money and get that Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300. Enjoy it ! Come onto the Lounge and tell us it sounds great. I will be one of many that will be happy for you. I just want to say though that if you buy the DC-1 or if they make another DAC that has more features for a couple hundred dollars more, it is going to sound great. I do not see Emotiva making a DAC that cost a lot of money just to make people think that it is special. That's silly. |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 3, 2016 11:20:38 GMT -5
I also hate to be the cynic here (well, not really)... but... while I'm not claiming that the DC-1 is absolutely the best sounding DAC in the world... or that there might not be better ones out there for more money... I wouldn't BET that a $90k one would NECESSARILY sound better than ours. You're beyond the point of diminishing returns there... and beyond the point of measurable technical improvements... and well into the realm of "somebody thinks it sounds better". (We might all agree that a $50 bottle of wine usually tastes better than a $10 bottle... but are you convinced that a $50,000 bottle really tastes noticeably better than a $1000 bottle?) Throw in the fact that few, if any, recordings these days are mastered on an ADC that's anywhere near as good as either of them.... and there are some serious doubts to be had. I would ABSOLUTELY want to hear them next to each other before coming to any conclusions (and that is totally ignoring the price tag). Guys I was being silly. The Chord Electronics Dave for $14000 and the Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300 seem to be the DAC's everyone is saying that are the best. There is whole gamut of other DAC's out there that are Delta Sigma or R2R that have huge price tags. I read about this stuff and wonder what exactly are people hearing that I do not hear on my sony Walkman and sony headphones. What I hear is detail and beautiful sounding. My DC-1 and Airmotiv speakers when my head is right in the sweet spot sound incredible. Ok, go ahead and spend the money and get that Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300. Enjoy it ! Come onto the Lounge and tell us it sounds great. I will be one of many that will be happy for you. I just want to say though that if you buy the DC-1 or if they make another DAC that has more features for a couple hundred dollars more, it is going to sound great. I do not see Emotiva making a DAC that cost a lot of money just to make people think that it is special. That's silly.  |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2016 12:15:23 GMT -5
Well I did hear a better sound than the DC-1 and that came from the Asus Xonar Essence ST sound card...with one qualifier....it was connected to the analog preamp of the DC-1. I level matched within 0.5 db and the xonar was better. Just smidge more resolving. A bit less "grit" in the sound. Now I haven't tried it with the XPA-1s. So it was an unbalanced comparison with the UPA-2.
I recall the XPA-1 with the DC-1 in balanced mode was a different ball game, so the DC-1 may well win out here.
Also of note, running direct from the Xonar - the sound wasn't as good. It needed the preamp of the DC-1 to shine. The Xonar is a $200 sound card. However it doesn't have all the features of the DC-1 like dual headphone outs and digital inputs and a better preamp section.
The LH labs sound card did do better than the DC-1 in certain aspects in treble detail. Once again, there was more resolution there. However when taking the overall sound as a whole, I couldn't declare it a winner over the DC-1. The DC-1 won out in tone.
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Post by Axis on Aug 3, 2016 13:46:13 GMT -5
Well I did hear a better sound than the DC-1 and that came from the Asus Xonar Essence ST sound card...with one qualifier....it was connected to the analog preamp of the DC-1. I level matched within 0.5 db and the xonar was better. Just smidge more resolving. A bit less "grit" in the sound. Now I haven't tried it with the XPA-1s. So it was an unbalanced comparison with the UPA-2. I recall the XPA-1 with the DC-1 in balanced mode was a different ball game, so the DC-1 may well win out here. Also of note, running direct from the Xonar - the sound wasn't as good. It needed the preamp of the DC-1 to shine. The Xonar is a $200 sound card. However it doesn't have all the features of the DC-1 like dual headphone outs and digital inputs and a better preamp section. The LH labs sound card did do better than the DC-1 in certain aspects in treble detail. Once again, there was more resolution there. However when taking the overall sound as a whole, I couldn't declare it a winner over the DC-1. The DC-1 won out in tone. I was not targeting you Garbulky. I have already said my piece before on the improvement I think any red blooded human can hear from high dollar DAC's. I read a lot over at Head-Fi and there are many more discussions there about DAC's than here. It is all over the chart with opinions but the little experiment that Tyll did over at InnerFidelity was enough evidence for me to think that where there may be some improvement it is not easy to tell. Participants were asked if they could tell the difference and the answer was more often no. If you got the right gear and have plenty experience like DYohn you may hear it but I think to tell everyone that they should spend a lot more money for a DAC to get improvement is still an open debate. There are so many other things in an high end system that should be addressed for improvement, But if your already there and the Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300 is the ticket to improve your system, by all means. |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2016 13:54:09 GMT -5
Well I did hear a better sound than the DC-1 and that came from the Asus Xonar Essence ST sound card...with one qualifier....it was connected to the analog preamp of the DC-1. I level matched within 0.5 db and the xonar was better. Just smidge more resolving. A bit less "grit" in the sound. Now I haven't tried it with the XPA-1s. So it was an unbalanced comparison with the UPA-2. I recall the XPA-1 with the DC-1 in balanced mode was a different ball game, so the DC-1 may well win out here. Also of note, running direct from the Xonar - the sound wasn't as good. It needed the preamp of the DC-1 to shine. The Xonar is a $200 sound card. However it doesn't have all the features of the DC-1 like dual headphone outs and digital inputs and a better preamp section. The LH labs sound card did do better than the DC-1 in certain aspects in treble detail. Once again, there was more resolution there. However when taking the overall sound as a whole, I couldn't declare it a winner over the DC-1. The DC-1 won out in tone. I was not targeting you Garbulky. I have already said my piece before on the improvement I think any red blooded human can hear from high dollar DAC's. I read a lot over at Head-Fi and there are many more discussions there about DAC's than here. It is all over the chart with opinions but the little experiment that Tyll did over at InnerFidelity was enough evidence for me to think that where there may be some improvement it is not easy to tell. Participants were asked if they could tell the difference and the answer was more often no. If you got the right gear and have plenty experience like DYohn you may hear it but I think to tell everyone that they should spend a lot more money for a DAC to get improvement is still an open debate. There are so many other things in an high end system that should be addressed for improvement, But if your already there and the Schiit Yggdrasil for $2300 is the ticket to improve your system, by all means. Oh absolutely. I actually was responding to Keith. I don't think you would target anyone! I think the DC-1 is a fantastic value. That's why it's in my system. |
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Post by macauley86 on Aug 9, 2016 10:51:53 GMT -5
The last podcast confirms that a lot more products in the BasX-series are coming this year. More amps, cd-player, etc - But there have not been mentioned any DAC in the series (but maybe I have missed it). I would really love a new "XDA-2 lookalike" DAC in the BasX-series! Anyone heard anything? How does the Emotiva line of BasX DAC/amplifier compare in sound signature to the Yamaha A-Sx01 line? Are they darker, brighter, same? |
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