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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 10, 2017 13:21:27 GMT -5
The Datasat is a fantastic machine but it's also $23K. No matter what Big Dan said, some compromises will have to be made in order to stay below $5K. I don't see any other processor below the price of the Datasat which does 9.4.6. And unless I am mistaken, the Datasat is limited to a total of 16 channels, same as the RMC-1. Only difference is that one can have 4 independent subs, but this also means a 7.4.4 limit with Atmos.
I have no doubt the RMC-1 will also evolve like the XMC-1 does also.
And I have already adjusted my HT design to 9.3.4 using all 16 channels. Two subs behind L and R fronts, added a third at the 180° position. Fingers crossed that this is as good as 4 subs.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 10, 2017 13:55:19 GMT -5
With the advent of the RMC-1 now becoming a reality and the Emersa line of processors on the horizon, it makes me wonder what the role of the XMC-1 will be in the future. If everything delivers as planned, the RMC-1 will be their flagship $5K piece for music and cinema, and the Emersa their $1K piece (for those who don't need 16 channels and can live with 7.2.4). At $2500 what will the XMC-1 offer that the buyer can't get for $1K? Doesn't really have to offer that much more. That's how these things work. The car I drive is technically 99% identical to the other model from the same manufacturer but it costs only 60% of the price. That's image and marketing at work. The people who splash for the other model are confident that they bought the "daddy" and are very happy. Having a device at the 600/1000/2500 and 5000 price points is simply smart business. BTW, I don't know if the Emersa is Dirac capable? If not, there's your answer.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 10, 2017 15:39:57 GMT -5
The original Emersa was to have Dirac, but unclear as to what level Dirac; unknown whether the re-engineered Emersa will have it.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 10, 2017 16:08:55 GMT -5
Big Dan on the Emersa pre-pro: We're scrapping the current design and once the XMC and RMC platforms are completed, we'll do a 5.1.2 version with Atmos and DTS-X, and of course an AVR version too. Should be around summer of 2017 for release.
So it has 4 less Atmos channels than the "new" XMC-1
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Post by Albert on Jan 10, 2017 16:21:49 GMT -5
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Post by lesliew on Jan 10, 2017 18:52:21 GMT -5
^^^
Nice to see the closeups, Thanks
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Post by lesliew on Jan 10, 2017 23:00:15 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the slide in the background when Big Dan is presenting the RMC-1 says 7.3.6, whilst the RMC-1's case suggests 9.3.4, I know several reports have mentioned a 7.3.6 config I just assumed that they were mis-reporting hometheaterhifi.com/features/show-reports-film-festivals-concerts/ces-2017-show-report-day-3/ Please someone school me on this AFAIK its not possible for the RMC-1 to be both 9.3.4 & 7.3.6 capable, it's one or the other Can somebody from Emotiva please clarify this
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 10, 2017 23:27:12 GMT -5
Please someone school me on this AFAIK its not possible for the RMC-1 to be both 9.3.4 & 7.3.6 capable, it's one or the other I don't see why you couldn't have both options. You cannot have 9.3.6 however.
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Post by cwt on Jan 10, 2017 23:44:50 GMT -5
Big Dan on the Emersa pre-pro: We're scrapping the current design and once the XMC and RMC platforms are completed, we'll do a 5.1.2 version with Atmos and DTS-X, and of course an AVR version too. Should be around summer of 2017 for release.So it has 4 less Atmos channels than the "new" XMC-1 That's the quote I couldn't find yesterday Erwin as it illustrates the 3 differing levels of atmos capability for the price- 2 ceiling for the emp1 ;4 for the xmc1 and I think Dan said the RMC1 was flexible - 7.3.6 or 9.3.4 ? Certainly all the sites around like audioholics mention 7.3.6. And what Dan mentioned is good enough for me . Flexibility is key at this price
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Post by cwt on Jan 10, 2017 23:53:27 GMT -5
Please someone school me on this AFAIK its not possible for the RMC-1 to be both 9.3.4 & 7.3.6 capable, it's one or the other I don't see why you couldn't have both options. You cannot have 9.3.6 however. Yes if a Marantz 7702mk2 can do this vvv ; who knows what configs/zone options will exist
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 11, 2017 3:48:20 GMT -5
Flexibilty would be nice. In the Dolby Atmos commercial theatre guidelines, it is mentioned that one can sum 2 adjacent top speakers to 1 channel. So those who want to do 9.x.6 like my original intent was, could for example sum 2 side surrounds (of which one is in the "Width" position and run it in 7.x.6 until hopefully in a year or 2 the RMC-1 gets upgraded to proper 9.x.6...
OTOH, the Dolby Atmos Hometheatre guidelines only list 9.1.4 as a "standard" layout, no mentioning of 7.1.6 whatsoever.
Anyway, I am no longer interested in TF/TM/TR layout. FH/TF/TR (30/45/135° vertical elevation) might be interesting though. This would enhance overhead panning in the long axis IMO. Edit: I adjusted my design once again and FH would be @ 22,5° vertical, nicely between Fronts and TF. Interesting!! Bring 9.x.6 please!
Even more flexibility would be nice such as the possibility to rename all the channels to mimic vectoring measurements. DTS claims you can put the speakers anywhere you want and by using multiple position measurements, the system would know where your speakers are and thus the processor could render/remap them to produce the proper sound field.. But the RMC-1 will (most likely) not be able to do this (the Trinnov does). But if we could enter in the RMC-1 settings for example that we don't have a side surround (@90°), but a "S1" (@75°) or a S2 (@105°), this could enhance things IMO.
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Post by Jim on Jan 11, 2017 6:10:14 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the slide in the background when Big Dan is presenting the RMC-1 says 7.3.6, whilst the RMC-1's case suggests 9.3.4, I know several reports have mentioned a 7.3.6 config I just assumed that they were mis-reporting hometheaterhifi.com/features/show-reports-film-festivals-concerts/ces-2017-show-report-day-3/ View AttachmentPlease someone school me on this AFAIK its not possible for the RMC-1 to be both 9.3.4 & 7.3.6 capable, it's one or the other Can somebody from Emotiva please clarify this Nice catch!
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Post by lesliew on Jan 11, 2017 8:12:38 GMT -5
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Post by lesliew on Jan 11, 2017 8:35:46 GMT -5
I don't see why you couldn't have both options. You cannot have 9.3.6 however. Yes if a Marantz 7702mk2 can do this vvv ; who knows what configs/zone options will exist My 7200WA can also do those layouts, doesn't make me any more hopeful.
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Post by mgbpuff on Jan 11, 2017 8:51:13 GMT -5
I assume that 2 speaker outputs would be assignable to either width or top speaker positions. I see no reason why this could not be done in the software.
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Post by yves on Jan 11, 2017 9:28:25 GMT -5
But the concept of adding an expansion module, or optional daughterboard onto a DAC section in order to increase the number of DAC channels is nothing particularly strange or new, nor necessarily has to be very expensive. For example, the ASUS Xonar Essence STX II 7.1, Essence ST, and HDAV 1.3 soundcards all have an optional daughterboard for that. Whether another company has a module has zero bearing on whether it would be inexpensive/easy for Emotiva to do likewise. It's Emo's platform, not Asus nor anyone elses, so you can assume things would be simple/cheap/easy but it's just that - an assumption. Actually no, that is not an assumption. Rather, it is a suggestion.
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Post by Jim on Jan 11, 2017 10:08:59 GMT -5
I assume that 2 speaker outputs would be assignable to either width or top speaker positions. I see no reason why this could not be done in the software. Nick likes it, therefore it must be possible! (kidding, of course!)
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2017 10:16:08 GMT -5
So much debate about 7.3.6 vs 9.3.4. I get it, because different folks have different rooms, capabilities, wants and needs. First of all, if you missed this, check Dan Laufman s post here back on page 35. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/864400/threadSecond, the fact that on the prototype they have 2 wides actually labeled as such (and not the .6 overheads, only .4), tells me they are not leaving the 9 folks out in the cold. They certainly have it in mind. Third, I think Dan knows by now that people here expect A LOT, and to limit the RMC-1 to doing one or the other would probably limit sales. Forth, why is anyone saying the RMC-1 couldn't do both? For sure not 7.3.6 and 9.3.4 at the same time, but are you saying that it's impossible for a processor to have speaker assigning capabilities in the set up scheme to handle one or the other? Yes? no? I'm fairly certain this just isn't true. Fifth, or is it since it appears Emotiva is dedicating 3 speaker outputs for subwoofers, which means "only" 13 channels are for speakers, you won't be able to do 9.1.6? I have no real knowledge here, so I'm purely guessing, but I'm guessing they need to dedicate a certain amount of "fixed" outputs to the subs to make processing work easier, or perhaps work at all? And the argument might be that why don't they make it 15 assignable and 1 fixed? Is this what people are saying? I guess I'm confused. In my particular room, a 9 base channel system won't work. My room does not allow for front placed wides, at all, in any configuration, period. But I most certainly could do 7.1.6, 7.2.6, and maybe 7.3.6.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2017 10:16:42 GMT -5
I assume that 2 speaker outputs would be assignable to either width or top speaker positions. I see no reason why this could not be done in the software. Exactly.
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Post by jdaddabbo on Jan 11, 2017 11:33:53 GMT -5
Yes, we simply want a choice of 7.3.6 -OR- 9.3.4 for a Total of 16 channels. I personally feel that more people (rooms) would benefit from 9.3.4 than they would 7.3.6, but more importantly the OPTION to choose should exist.. as this would ALSO benefit Emotiva since they would then grab business from BOTH parties
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