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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 19, 2017 13:23:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that. Or... we are bonkers!
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Post by rhale64 on Jan 19, 2017 15:23:25 GMT -5
I vote for the we are all bonkers. Some more than others.
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Post by junchoon on Jan 19, 2017 20:30:39 GMT -5
wait, all these talks of 16-32channels make my head spins, I thot 2ch is king? but I heard mono might be much better, or should have reduce the number of channel further???
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Post by novisnick on Jan 19, 2017 20:32:59 GMT -5
wait, all these talks of 16-32channels make my head spins, I thot 2ch is king? but I heard mono might be much better, or should have reduce the number of channel further??? There's music in my head! And it doesn't stop!!
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Post by lesliew on Jan 20, 2017 19:05:08 GMT -5
Meeting with the Auro guys in Franklin a couple of weeks... fingers crossed! It's going be pretty exciting over the next year or so... 😁 Glad to hear that Auro is a possibility. I think at this price point its expected that Auro should be available and I don't think that there could be any objections to seeing it available as a paid upgrade for the RMC-1. I had Auro in a Denon 5200 and have no complaints about it as an upmixer - especially with music, when I upgraded to the Denon 7200 I didn't bother paying again for the privilege but I would consider it with the RMC-1 as I expect that to have a much longer lifespan.
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Post by ekpen on Jan 20, 2017 19:09:25 GMT -5
George, I agree with Russ: it looks like you're shooting for something far beyond the market for which the RMC-1 is targeted. There are some 32-channel solutions out there from Datasat and Trinnov. But these will be very expensive solutions ... Amplifiers are of course easy since they simply pass pre-amplifier signals on to speakers. You just need to decide how much power, etc. you need. The Emotiva XPA Gen3 solutions are likely to satisfy any need you have there for very reasonable costs. Casey Greetings: I know I was going to draw lots of fire from forum members regarding my first post. Here is my take... D&M believes in product Differentiation, so there is Denon and Marantz. Around 2007/2008 the AVP was sold. Most enthusiasts are looking for a replacement for the AVP. Datasat/Trinnov are too costly for most folks. The way I look at it, Emotiva should try to poke in to the void created by ultra expensive makes like Datasat/Trinnov, and the non existence of AVP2 from Denon SSP, then design the RMC-2. . Remember - "one size does not fit all". There is a niche there for Emotiva engineers to take advantage of it and get a second product out to complement the RMC-1 Do you realize how many advanced forum members would take advantage of it. Two years ago, the buzz word was 4k, now very soon it will be 8K. Nothing stands "still" in the electronics world. The Emotiva engineers already have the blueprint for the RMC-1, let this stay with those who do not have a need for it, but for those who want more channels/options etc, let them pay for it. Look at the speaker line, Emotiva is already differentiating, the same is true for the amps line, 11, and 14 channels line up Personally, I will not mind paying $1,000.00-$2,000.00 more for the RMC-2, or something that performs like it. I have an inkling that Yamaha and D&M will be thinking along this line and bring some products out that would compete with Trinnov/Datasat Lots of advanced forum members have been requesting more affordable channels capability from Yamaha and D&M, etc.. Emotiva as a company- you are a low cost manufacturer, stick your nose in there and challenge the "Big Boys" in the game. Folks already looking at the high ends would now be re-evaluating their options. I am still interested in this RMC-1, I will like to patronize the Emotiva company as a brand, since I was disappointed by Pioneer, I swore "Never" to give my $ to the big players again unless there is a real compelling reason to buy from them.. Thanks to all. George
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Post by qdtjni on Jan 20, 2017 19:12:54 GMT -5
Do you realize how many advanced forum members would take advantage of it. Do you?
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 20, 2017 19:19:31 GMT -5
I would rather see a reference line of amps first, we all know that emotiva can build them they just need to price them accordingly so they can still make money.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 20, 2017 19:32:18 GMT -5
How can I become an advanced forum member?
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Post by hemster on Jan 20, 2017 19:37:19 GMT -5
How can I become an advanced forum member?
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Post by Jim on Jan 20, 2017 19:40:37 GMT -5
I would rather see a reference line of amps first, we all know that emotiva can build them they just need to price them accordingly so they can still make money. You mean the XPR amps that didn't sell well?
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Post by novisnick on Jan 20, 2017 19:44:59 GMT -5
How can I become an advanced forum member? Grow old!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he,,,,,,he,,,,,,,,,he,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Erwin.BE
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Post by Erwin.BE on Jan 20, 2017 20:00:09 GMT -5
George, I agree with Russ: it looks like you're shooting for something far beyond the market for which the RMC-1 is targeted. There are some 32-channel solutions out there from Datasat and Trinnov. But these will be very expensive solutions ... Amplifiers are of course easy since they simply pass pre-amplifier signals on to speakers. You just need to decide how much power, etc. you need. The Emotiva XPA Gen3 solutions are likely to satisfy any need you have there for very reasonable costs. Casey Personally, I will not mind paying $1,000.00-$2,000.00 more for the RMC-2, or something that performs like it. Thanks to all. George $1K-2K extra for 16 ch extra? Where do I sign?
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 20, 2017 20:51:46 GMT -5
I would rather see a reference line of amps first, we all know that emotiva can build them they just need to price them accordingly so they can still make money. You mean the XPR amps that didn't sell well? I'm not aware that they didn't sell well. I don't see any stock left anywhere. They had a bad ROI probably but that doesn't mean that they can't adjust it accordingly. I know i lot of folks regretting not getting an xpr amp after they were killed.
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Post by Jim on Jan 20, 2017 20:54:41 GMT -5
There were a few posts alluding to the poor sales. I believe the shipping weight (shipping safely) was also a concern.
I imagine part of it was that many people didn't need the power... and many people didn't want to pay the "reference" price point. I doubt if they increased the price for a better ROI it would have helped much....
Even the face plates were expensive to manufacture from what I understand.
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 20, 2017 20:59:38 GMT -5
There were a few posts alluding to the poor sales. I believe the shipping weight (shipping safely) was also a concern. I imagine part of it was that many people didn't need the power... and many people didn't want to pay the "reference" price point. I doubt if they increased the price for a better ROI it would have helped much.... Even the face plates were expensive to manufacture from what I understand. If you have an x amount of money to invest you prioritize. Emotiva did, thats why we see basx killing it. But if you have x and y money to invest now, things change. Their pre/pros will go from $600 to $5k range, i bet if Dan had all the money to invest that range will be applied to their entire product line.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 20, 2017 21:38:29 GMT -5
I also would like to see "Reference Amplifiers" to go with the RMC-1 ... at least for my Legacy Left/Center/Right channels. Right now I have the MPS-1 and it's not clear to me that the XPA Gen3's are better ... It's also not clear that they aren't better. Unfortunately I can't find anyone who's compared them.
Casey
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Post by ekpen on Jan 20, 2017 23:25:03 GMT -5
Also, why would you ever build in Chromcast? Bad idea. It changes every year... That's what your HDMI ports are for!! 👍 S%*#! They change every year too!!! 😜 Oh well, you get the idea... Greetings: Nothing in the electronics world is static. Emotiva products could evolve with the changing condition. Tvs update, avrs update and most appliances updates nowadays. I am sure the Emotiva RMC-1 or better will have to updates its firmware at one point. I have seen newer AVR/SSP with built in Chrome cast. . I have JRiver media center server both Linux and Windows. Wth the Android JRemote, Gizmo and EOS , I can play my mkv movies and Flac titles on the handset and send directly to the SSP, then the SSP with its codec will then play back on the TV. What a joy.!!!. I currently do this with my Samsung Galazy Note 3, Jremote then send the contents to my Mitsubishi WD 92840 rear projector. I have a UHD version of chrome cast stick and the non uhd.. Sir-- the cost should not be a factor. A Chrome cast with uhd costs less then $70.00 , which will have no impact on the cost of a flagship. Example, a $5000.00 in dash stereo in a luxurious car such as Benz, Jaguars and the Rolls Royce will not affect the purchasing decision. It looks like newer lost cost Denon , Yamaha Marantz are coming with chrome cast features. It is good to find a way to add more functionality to the SSP. I hope the RMC xxx will be able to switch 3D. My Pioneer Elite Susano Sc-09 was not able to switch 3D, despite its almost $6000.00 cost, it just became obsolete at less than one year old. Thanks. George
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Post by Lsc on Jan 21, 2017 0:22:28 GMT -5
You mean the XPR amps that didn't sell well? I'm not aware that they didn't sell well. I don't see any stock left anywhere. They had a bad ROI probably but that doesn't mean that they can't adjust it accordingly. I know i lot of folks regretting not getting an xpr amp after they were killed. The XPR amps came in a world where there was cheap labor in China to produce things for cents on the dollar. The well dried up and so did the XPRs. I love mine and I don't look forward to the day I have to replace them. If shipping is so expensive maybe they can sell it as a kit and ship it in multiple boxes. And the user can put the amp blades in or whatever it requires to put it together. I know it's a pretty crazy idea. 😊
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Post by novisnick on Jan 21, 2017 1:29:21 GMT -5
I'm not aware that they didn't sell well. I don't see any stock left anywhere. They had a bad ROI probably but that doesn't mean that they can't adjust it accordingly. I know i lot of folks regretting not getting an xpr amp after they were killed. The XPR amps came in a world where there was cheap labor in China to produce things for cents on the dollar. The well dried up and so did the XPRs. I love mine and I don't look forward to the day I have to replace them. If shipping is so expensive maybe they can sell it as a kit and ship it in multiple boxes. And the user can put the amp blades in or whatever it requires to put it together. I know it's a pretty crazy idea. 😊 Im so happy that I purchased a pair of such great amps at an Emotiva steal of a price. World class amps at bargain pricing. I would never had been in a position to own such a wonderfully sounding and looking amps if not for Big Dan and company!
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