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Post by thoff on Nov 30, 2016 20:12:22 GMT -5
So it does support HDR10, and the price has been dropped $100 due to high volume of sales. Getting more and more enticing.
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Post by frisco on Nov 30, 2016 21:49:00 GMT -5
For someone who wants better sound then a denon and otherwise has limited ht ambitions,, this is a no brainer. Now I have to just decide on amps .
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Post by Percussionista on Nov 30, 2016 22:32:35 GMT -5
Hi kids, I need to apologize for some confusion regarding the HDMI capabilities on the MC-700. The MC-700 DOES support HDR on three of its HDCP 2.2 enabled inputs as originally stated. The webpage is being correct as I type this. We reacted too quickly to some incorrect info.... Cheers, Dig Dan Cheers Big Dan indeed! Thanks for the official correction, so, the MC-700 goes back on my possibles list ;-)
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Post by melm on Nov 30, 2016 23:22:10 GMT -5
Does the processor also pass Dolby HDR?
Mel
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Post by niuguy on Nov 30, 2016 23:51:27 GMT -5
Does the processor also pass Dolby HDR? Mel My understanding is that additional data requires HDMI 2.0b, which this doesn't have. My gut tells me that HDR10 is going to be the standard anyways, even if it's not quite as good, just because its the open standard.
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Post by KeithL on Dec 1, 2016 9:47:19 GMT -5
That is correct.... The MC-700 is HDMI 2.0a (Dolby Vision requires HDMI 2.0b). However, while HDR10 is pretty widely supported, Dolby Vision is still sort of up in the air. (Remember that, in order to get either, you need a Disc that's encoded with it, and both your player and your TV have to support it. There seems to be a lot of question about which players do or will support Dolby Vision at the moment anyway. I believe that either should "fall back" if your equipment doesn't support it - but that part also seems to be sort of vague.) Does the processor also pass Dolby HDR? Mel My understanding is that additional data requires HDMI 2.0b, which this doesn't have. My gut tells me that HDR10 is going to be the standard anyways, even if it's not quite as good, just because its the open standard.
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Post by melm on Dec 1, 2016 10:48:56 GMT -5
My LG OLED does HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision is superior but may not catch on. Remember Beta v VHS? I'm waiting for the Oppo 4k player. It will ship without Dolby Vision because Dolby is still testing it. But it will be, they say, a firmware update. Hopefully Emotiva can do the same.
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Post by cwt on Dec 1, 2016 12:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by mesonto on Dec 1, 2016 13:32:35 GMT -5
Two things are making me consider the upgrade. First, is the additional HDMI inputs. Second, my UMC-200 does have the occasional audio dropouts that others have documented. Oh that is why... this is such an annoying issue. It happens to me so frequently that I have to keep rewinding video to understand anything I watch. I wonder if the MC-700 has that problem. I also wonder why Emotiva does not fix the bloody problem with a software update.
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Post by stereomac on Dec 1, 2016 14:33:40 GMT -5
This seems like a perfect product for me. In a perfect world it would be only stereo only as that is all i need, and have airplay support. But would be a relatively exotic product. Before I press the buy button, can anyone conform it has CEC. It should be a given with the hdmi standard, but not stated anywhere.
Also, is there anywhere to see total price with shipping.
In my case Norway.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 1, 2016 14:45:56 GMT -5
Two things are making me consider the upgrade. First, is the additional HDMI inputs. Second, my UMC-200 does have the occasional audio dropouts that others have documented. Oh that is why... this is such an annoying issue. It happens to me so frequently that I have to keep rewinding video to understand anything I watch. I wonder if the MC-700 has that problem. I also wonder why Emotiva does not fix the bloody problem with a software update. I don't have any drop outs with my UMC-200, haven't had a single one for over 2 years. It never happened with my Panasonic BD player or the Oppos that I use frequently. It never happened with either of the Apple TV's, ATV3 or ATV4. It never happened when using the Samsung or Sony panels that I have had as a source. I have used 4 different HDMI interconnects over the time I have had the UMC-200. It only ever happened, rarely, with the now 8 year old cable box. As soon as I updated to the current generation box no more drop outs. I believe that I can safely say that my very infrequent earlier drop outs had nothing whatsoever to do with the UMC-200. Cheers Gary
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Post by KeithL on Dec 1, 2016 15:05:02 GMT -5
You're missing part of the equation. You need HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 to pass the 4k UHD picture to begin with. HDR (HDR10) and Dolby Vision ( dynamic HDR) are extra features added on top of that. In order to have an 4k HDR picture, you first have to have a 4k picture. The MC-700 supports 4k UHD video, which is what requires HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 . The MC-700 supports HDMI 2.0a, which is required to handle HDR10 (which is the more standard standard). The MC-700 does not support HDMI 2.0b, which is required to support dynamic HDR (which is what Dolby Vision is). Some articles, like the one you quoted, confuse things even further by quoting theory that may not translate to practice. For example, it's theoretically possible to have a picture that is NOT 4k, but still uses Dolby Vision (you could have an HD picture with Dolby Vision). Some people have suggested that adding Dolby Vision to an HD picture, which would use very little extra bandwidth, yet might look significantly better, would make more sense than upscaling it to 4k. (But I haven't heard of anyone actually doing it yet - and I don't even know if a standard for it exists.)
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Post by jmilton on Dec 1, 2016 15:47:53 GMT -5
They change the standards all the time. All HT equipment is basically obsolete in 5 years. This is where they screw you. They keep changing the standards and you keep on having to buy new HT receivers and Pre-amp. I bought a B&K Ref 10 processor for almost $2k when it was released in the mid 1990s. It processing capability- Dolby Digital and Pro Logic. It video was Composite and S-Video. It actually has an input labeled LD - Laser Disc. So it has been 20 years. The processor still works great, but for most would be obsolete. What all has changed? Everything except the PCM 2 channel standard. When you are ready to buy HT items just do it. There is always a new video or sound codec around the corner. Just for reference on the video side we have seen since Laser Disc: DVD, HD-DVD, Blue Ray, now 4K Blue Ray, and add streaming in there. On the video side we have gone 780i, 780p, 1080i, 1080p and 4K When you are ready just jump in and realize that it will be obsolete soon. ...at least cell phones and automobiles don't change from year to year! Anyway, Hooray for HDMI 2.0a!!!
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Post by KeithL on Dec 1, 2016 16:04:50 GMT -5
How long things remain "useful" depends on how you feel about new features..... I know a few people who seem to "need" a new iPhone every year or two (or the latest Android if you prefer). And I'm sure your last year's model car doesn't have "lane change warning".... and your kids can't play two different movies at the same time in the back seat. (If you believe the commercials, that last one is a critical feature you just can't survive without.) There are plenty of people who have high end HD projectors, and good 5.1 or 7.1 systems, who see no need to upgrade them to this years fads (4k and Atmos). (To put that differently: How many discs do you actually own that won't play on your 7.1 channel HD system?) But, yes, you asked for HDR, and you got it .......................... ...at least cell phones and automobiles don't change from year to year! Anyway, Hooray for HDMI 2.0a!!!
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Post by Percussionista on Dec 1, 2016 16:05:41 GMT -5
Have taken the plunge. And, UFL (upgrade for life) applies - to the MSRP price - which is still an extra savings of $50 over the current promotion. This should arrive around the same time as the Oppo 203, though they still haven't said when "for sure" yet. Hopefully so, so that I can try them together.
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Post by dmbaer on Dec 1, 2016 16:31:42 GMT -5
I have a few issues with my UMC like occasional audio glitches with Satellite TV viewing, so I'm game for an upgrade at this price. My concern is that my other UMC issue is too slow a handshake with digital music (CDs, etc.). I loose the first half-second of content when starting a disk is using any kind of digital connection. So, using the analog inputs has been a satisfactory workaround. However ...
I also do a fair amount of SACD listening, so loss of the analog inputs is a concern if the digital connection doesn't handshake fast enough. I would like to assume that the new unit will have resolved those problems.
So, my question: if I order now, will I have (what I understand to be) the usual 30-day period in which to return it if it does not perform satisfactorily on these points?
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 1, 2016 18:16:36 GMT -5
I have a few issues with my UMC like occasional audio glitches with Satellite TV viewing Based on my experience (and several others I have helped) it's far more likely to be the satellite box than the UMC-200. As a result I suspect that changing to the MC-700 won't help you. Cheers Gary
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Post by Percussionista on Dec 1, 2016 18:43:09 GMT -5
I have a few issues with my UMC like occasional audio glitches with Satellite TV viewing Based on my experience (and several others I have helped) it's far more likely to be the satellite box than the UMC-200. As a result I suspect that changing to the MC-700 won't help you. That would be my thoughts as well. I do get occasional audio dropouts while watching TV via the Comcast DVR myself, through a UMC-200.
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Post by cwt on Dec 2, 2016 1:01:13 GMT -5
You're missing part of the equation. You need HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 to pass the 4k UHD picture to begin with. HDR (HDR10) and Dolby Vision ( dynamic HDR) are extra features added on top of that. In order to have an 4k HDR picture, you first have to have a 4k picture. The MC-700 supports 4k UHD video, which is what requires HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 . The MC-700 supports HDMI 2.0a, which is required to handle HDR10 (which is the more standard standard). The MC-700 does not support HDMI 2.0b, which is required to support dynamic HDR (which is what Dolby Vision is). Some articles, like the one you quoted, confuse things even further by quoting theory that may not translate to practice. For example, it's theoretically possible to have a picture that is NOT 4k, but still uses Dolby Vision (you could have an HD picture with Dolby Vision). Thanks Keith ; various articles have mentioned 2.0 and 2.1 being required for dynamic metadata for HDR 10 ; that clarifies it . Its not a pressing matter at the moment until the discs turn up in 2017 and its nice to know that the mc700 unlike so many others is modular to accept a future 2.0b pcb board no doubt
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Post by dmbaer on Dec 2, 2016 18:44:42 GMT -5
I have a few issues with my UMC like occasional audio glitches with Satellite TV viewing Based on my experience (and several others I have helped) it's far more likely to be the satellite box than the UMC-200. As a result I suspect that changing to the MC-700 won't help you. Cheers Gary
Actually, I don't think it's the Dish receiver. Example: I press some button that interrupts the audio like Skip 30 Sec. When audio resumes the sound is very occasionally muffled because the audio processor has gone into stereo mode and all I'm getting are the two front side channels. Sometimes (not often) I get a behavior that some people might call motorboating - I loud and very irritating distortion that sounds a bit like an outboard small boat motor reving up. In all cases, pausing the receiver momentarily and restarting clears up the problem. There's an issue with the handshake protocol, I'm guessing. Also, I never had these problems with the Integra processor that the UMC replaced. Same Dish receiver, however. So, I'm pretty sure the receiver is not the culprit.
I still would like to get my main question answered. If I order the MC-700 for shipment at end of Dec., do I have a 30 day window in which to evaluate it and return it if it exhibits problems?
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