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Post by Bonzo on Jan 4, 2018 17:13:55 GMT -5
I'm just hoping it does in fact fall right smack dab in the middle, and is simply MORE than the XMC-1. I personally find the RMC-1 more and less than the XMC-1 at the same time. I don't want more and less, I just want more. I don't like making trade offs when spending more. Add to it that I really don't need 16 fully balanced channels.
Take the XMC-1 and then:
- Make the front 3 channels balanced and leave the rest unbalanced.
- Up it to 16 total channels (7.3.6). It is totally okay by me if the .6 ceiling speakers connections are unbalanced RCA only.
- Make it have all the Dolby Atmos / DTS:X .6 functions available.
- Keep all the available inputs/outputs and Zone outputs etc of the XMC-1 (don't lose them like the RMC-1 does, or even how the upgraded XMC-1 does).
- Price it at $4000.
The one place I could see losing some ability from the XMC-1 to save money is to just have the three front outputs as XLR, and then make the rest all RCA. The dual outputs of the XMC-1 are nice, but I have to wonder how many people actually use or need that ability (like the bi-amp folks). I think having 3 XLR's and then 13 RCA's would not only save rear restate, but also save cost.
JMO of course. Total rumor, no facts.
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Post by jcz06 on Jan 4, 2018 19:38:14 GMT -5
Anthem and Marantz are not bargain brands. The RMC is certainly expected to be more expensive, but improved renditions of the same model don't normally get jacked up in price. Take a gander at Marantz and Yamaha AVR offerings. From year to year, they tend to stay relatively close on price. Emotiva is a nice product, but its space is in the bargain brand slot. When prices match Anthem and Marantz, the big brands will get most of the business. Frankly, Dirac is the main reason I'm giving the XMC-1 a look. Arcam AV390 AVR is in the same general price range which also has Dirac. I went from a d2v to an xmc.....XMC sounded better....Dirac is superior in SQ but ARC is easier to use overall IMHO.... with that said, the RMC will be a better offering than the flagships from Marantz/Anthem in my opinion. |
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Post by cwt on Jan 5, 2018 7:04:44 GMT -5
Take the XMC-1 and then: - Make the front 3 channels balanced and leave the rest unbalanced. - Up it to 16 total channels (7.3.6). It is totally okay by me if the .6 ceiling speakers connections are unbalanced RCA only. - Make it have all the Dolby Atmos / DTS:X .6 functions available. - Keep all the available inputs/outputs and Zone outputs etc of the XMC-1 ( don't lose them like the RMC-1 does, or even how the upgraded XMC-1 does). - Price it at $4000. The dual outputs of the XMC-1 are nice, but I have to wonder how many people actually use or need that ability (like the bi-amp folks). 13 RCA's would not only save rear restate, but also save cost. I think you may get some of your wish list Bonzo eg 7.1.6 chipsets should be more prolific by the time the XMC2 turns up in the fullness of time  .Still leaves some leeway for the RMC1 On the other side of the ledger the lesser model to the RMC1 having more analog ins ? I see the RMC1 getting more via expansion slots[ as the tt pre amp for a start] possibly but the general trend is fewer imo.. Case in point no more permanent multi analog ins on the RMC1 . Which at least gives more real estate ; as does the demise of any analog video inputs . I think its indicative of which way the wind blows with redundancy when Dan says The RMC1 shows analog unbalanced pre outs have disappeared ; wouldn't that give buckets of room for all those atmos/dts-x xlr ch outs Ime thinking on the XMC2  All xlrs like the XMC1 is a good bet..Not fussed on bi amping too ; it needs speaker crossover manipulation to do it right anyway ; I do like a 2nd hdmi out for when the projector is off though so I don't burn through bulbs ;its de rigeur these days [ I don't need the 3rd one though on some makes ;certainly turf it  |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 5, 2018 8:03:10 GMT -5
Here's what Big Dan and Lonnie said of the XMC-2 at Emofest. See first post, toward the end in red font: ---> CLICK THIS LINK! <---Mark |
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Post by pachieh on Jan 5, 2018 21:38:43 GMT -5
Here's what Big Dan and Lonnie said of the XMC-2 at Emofest. See first post, toward the end in red font: ---> CLICK THIS LINK! <---Mark Thanks for the link! So quickly after the RMC-1, so maybe 2Q18... $3499 target price... Above the AVM-60, but then again, I don't think the AVM-60 is fully differential on L/C/R... |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 5, 2018 23:52:06 GMT -5
Here's what Big Dan and Lonnie said of the XMC-2 at Emofest. See first post, toward the end in red font: ---> CLICK THIS LINK! <---Mark Thanks for the link! So quickly after the RMC-1, so maybe 2Q18... $3499 target price... Above the AVM-60, but then again, I don't think the AVM-60 is fully differential on L/C/R... If it comes out by Q4 2018, I’ll be pleasantly surprised and happy. |
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Post by jonas79 on Jan 6, 2018 4:14:22 GMT -5
Here's what Big Dan and Lonnie said of the XMC-2 at Emofest. See first post, toward the end in red font: ---> CLICK THIS LINK! <---Mark Thanks for the link! So quickly after the RMC-1, so maybe 2Q18... $3499 target price... Above the AVM-60, but then again, I don't think the AVM-60 is fully differential on L/C/R... 13 Channels on XMC-2 VS 11 Channels on Anthem AVM-60. So alot och of more speakers vs XMC-1 and seen on the retail store in Sweden that they take away XMC-1 With all upgrade boards to wait in XMC-2 so i think Q2 2018 is possible and "alot earlier then we expected as Dan Laufman says." |
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Post by Soup on Jan 6, 2018 6:03:18 GMT -5
From a quality/performance standpoint, the XMC is no "bargain brand" and aside from recent newer features is a superior product than the equivalent Marantz/Anthem counterparts. Assuming $3k is correct, they'll have: $599 - MC700 $1k - EMP-1 $3k - XMC-2 $5k - RMC-1 As a Anthem owner and fan, I would have to disagree....... My MRX 510 has performed FLAWLESSLY since released............ Which Anthem model are you comparing the XMC to? |
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Post by Soup on Jan 6, 2018 6:08:46 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for the RMC-5 before upgrading. It will support 16K video and Dolby Reality (object based sound, smells and physical content like rain, wind, debris and mosquitos). In that case, 50 Shades of Gray should be quite interesting!  Bring on Feel-a-Rama! Tactile movie-going experience. I'll be renting Caligula regularly then. I remember back when it was 1st released......Ground Breaking movie................................... |
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Post by cwt on Jan 6, 2018 6:22:56 GMT -5
13 Channels on XMC-2 VS 11 Channels on Anthem AVM-60. So alot och of more speakers vs XMC-1 and seen on the retail store in Sweden that they take away XMC-1 With all upgrade boards to wait in XMC-2 so i think Q2 2018 is possible and "alot earlier then we expected as Dan Laufman says." If it stays with the current 11 channel dsp limit Jonas it will be a 7.2.4 unit ; the AVM60 also has pre outs for 7.2.4 ;balanced and unbalanced so too its 7.2.4  Like most major components I see a lot of resources being applied to the RMC1 and like any new complicated device a few firmware upgrades ; not to mention all the potential XMC1 upgrades pushing things back , the emersa Emp1 too being on the back burner ; it all adds up but its better to be upbeat and we are all pleasantly surprised. Hope I don't sound too jaded  |
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Post by TyeDye on Jan 23, 2018 15:24:09 GMT -5
When will I get the upgrades to my xmc1 I was promised. ....... ??a year ago?  |
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Post by TyeDye on Jan 23, 2018 16:05:57 GMT -5
Who can get excited about products that are only speculated about? The XMC2 can't be real, because Lonnie and Emotiva have not found a way to deliver on their promise of an XMC-1 Upgrade. If they can't do something that simple then I don't beleive the XMC2 will see the market for at least 2 more years of broken promises. Any company that earns the respect of its consumers has done so because they live up to their promises and deadlines? We were promised the Newest 4K and audio upgrade In July 2017, then August 2017, Then in October 2017, and then that was amended to by the end of 4th Quarter 2017. Its now 1st qtr 2018 and All other comparable brands have very good products and they are real (I mean ... just read some of the above posts ... Its like a kid daydreaming and wishful thinking about products that arent even real ...... I compared the Marantz 7704, the Marantz 8802, and the Anthem AVM .... They are all great. They have been on the market 4K for more that a year and with all of the features and audio that I hear these Posts just wishful thiinking about. I bought the Marantz 7704 I heard almost no differenc in the 3 .... I'm still an Emotiva Fanboy (for now) and I will upgrade my Emotiva XMC-1 (audio and video) if it is ever produced and sold. If the XMC1 upgrades are just empty promises I will move to a brand that stays Up To Date, an Industry Leader ..... How can one be an industry leader if the products promised never come to fruition .... come on Emotiva I'm pulling for you .... but I won;t wait much longer .... |
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Post by jcz06 on Jan 23, 2018 16:43:20 GMT -5
Who can get excited about products that are only speculated about? The XMC2 can't be real, because Lonnie and Emotiva have not found a way to deliver on their promise of an XMC-1 Upgrade. If they can't do something that simple then I don't beleive the XMC2 will see the market for at least 2 more years of broken promises. Any company that earns the respect of its consumers has done so because they live up to their promises and deadlines? We were promised the Newest 4K and audio upgrade In July 2017, then August 2017, Then in October 2017, and then that was amended to by the end of 4th Quarter 2017. Its now 1st qtr 2018 and All other comparable brands have very good products and they are real (I mean ... just read some of the above posts ... Its like a kid daydreaming and wishful thinking about products that arent even real ...... I compared the Marantz 7704, the Marantz 8802, and the Anthem AVM .... They are all great. They have been on the market 4K for more that a year and with all of the features and audio that I hear these Posts just wishful thiinking about. I bought the Marantz 7704 I heard almost no differenc in the 3 .... I'm still an Emotiva Fanboy (for now) and I will upgrade my Emotiva XMC-1 (audio and video) if it is ever produced and sold. If the XMC1 upgrades are just empty promises I will move to a brand that stays Up To Date, an Industry Leader ..... How can one be an industry leader if the products promised never come to fruition .... come on Emotiva I'm pulling for you .... but I won;t wait much longer .... I went from an xmc-1 to a 7704 as well and find the 7704 not as clean and dynamic......waiting on the RMC |
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Post by TyeDye on Jan 23, 2018 18:48:44 GMT -5
I too felt like I was missing something, so I brought over 7 audiophile friends (and a bartender) and did an AB comparison (2 of which put Emotiva and Marantz in the Low End Audio Market) out of the 7 friends one brought his Anthem AVM60.
At 7.1 I felt the Marantz was better in audio and 5 heard no difference. Switching to Dolby Atmos all preferred the Marantz. All of them much preferred the Video from the Marantz. (4K HDR Video which is the issue.).
When AB ing with the dolby atmos it was a toss up between the Marantz or Anthem. When ABing just Stereo all preformed well .... I preferred the XMC1 in stereo
The Test was unfair due to Emotiva is 4 years behind the Tech curve.
Everyone thought the bartender (my son) was the best part.
I understand the RMC1 will be for special installs only, very limited production, and the XMC2 is available to mass market but not anytime soon How did you compare .... Emotiva does not have a similar product to the Marantz ..... Emotiva is more than a year behind in technology.
If the AUDIO AND VIDEO UPGRADES EVER ARE AVAILABLE FOR MY XMC1 ...... I can do a proper AB comparison. If Emotiva pulls the one eyed willy again and dosent offer the upgrade I will never know because if I get burnt, I won't buy the XMC2 or the RMC1.
Im rooting for Emotiva to get on board with staying current with technology
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Post by klinemj on Jan 23, 2018 18:59:16 GMT -5
I understand the RMC1 will be for special installs only Where did you hear that the RMC-1 would only be for "special" installs? I agree it likely has a more limited market than a lower price unit like the current XMC-1 or the new one coming...but, I don't see anything that would limit it to "special" installs (which, to me, implies having to have a pro coming out to set it up). As for whether or not Emotiva has or ever will have what meets your needs - as they often say...if they don't have what you need, look elsewhere. After all, I don't go into my local Porsche dealer and complain they don't have an F350 equivalent. Mark |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 23, 2018 19:24:44 GMT -5
As for whether or not Emotiva has or ever will have what meets your needs - as they often say...if they don't have what you need, look elsewhere. That's bit narrow Mark, it's not like buying hamburger to consume now and buy another, different, hamburger tomorrow. Because today's processor decision affects us for years to come and to some extent we all rely on the manufacturer's product release timing. No, not "promises", but reasonable expectations surely, based on what they have said. But you would complain if they told you could get an F350 equivalent next month, then in 6 months, then in yet another 3 months and then sometime in the next 3 months. I think most people would complain, particularly Porsche buyers, they're a demanding lot. Cheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 23, 2018 19:30:15 GMT -5
As for whether or not Emotiva has or ever will have what meets your needs - as they often say...if they don't have what you need, look elsewhere. That's bit narrow Mark, it's not like buying hamburger to consume now and buy another, different, hamburger tomorrow. Because today's processor decision affects us for years to come and to some extent we all rely on the manufacturer's product release timing. No, not "promises", but reasonable expectations surely, based on what they have said. But you would complain if they told you could get an F350 equivalent next month, then in 6 months, then in yet another 3 months and then sometime in the next 3 months. I think most people would complain, particularly Porsche buyers, they're a demanding lot. Cheers Gary It seriously doesn't matter whether we're talking burgers or time travel machines, or if a company said they'd have one or the other or not. If they don't have what you need - go elsewhere. It's. Just. That. Simple. Same thing it the tariffs are too high were you live or...whatever...if they don't have it for the delivered price you want...just move on. Mark |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 23, 2018 21:46:20 GMT -5
That's bit narrow Mark, it's not like buying hamburger to consume now and buy another, different, hamburger tomorrow. Because today's processor decision affects us for years to come and to some extent we all rely on the manufacturer's product release timing. No, not "promises", but reasonable expectations surely, based on what they have said. But you would complain if they told you could get an F350 equivalent next month, then in 6 months, then in yet another 3 months and then sometime in the next 3 months. I think most people would complain, particularly Porsche buyers, they're a demanding lot. Cheers Gary It seriously doesn't matter whether we're talking burgers or time travel machines, or if a company said they'd have one or the other or not. If they don't have what you need - go elsewhere. It's. Just. That. Simple. Same thing it the tariffs are too high were you live or...whatever...if they don't have it for the delivered price you want...just move on. Mark A good number of customers bought the xmc-1 with its modular design and misnomer of timely upgrades feel they have not got what they bought into, i.e. timely upgrades |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 23, 2018 21:49:12 GMT -5
It seriously doesn't matter whether we're talking burgers or time travel machines, or if a company said they'd have one or the other or not. If they don't have what you need - go elsewhere. It's. Just. That. Simple. Same thing it the tariffs are too high were you live or...whatever...if they don't have it for the delivered price you want...just move on. Mark A good number of customers bought the xmc-1 with its modular design and misnomer of timely upgrades feel they have not got what they bought into, i.e. timely upgrades Can’t argue with that sentiment. 😢 |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 23, 2018 22:05:56 GMT -5
It seriously doesn't matter whether we're talking burgers or time travel machines, or if a company said they'd have one or the other or not. If they don't have what you need - go elsewhere. It's. Just. That. Simple. Mark Obviously we see it differently Mark, to me it definitely does matter. If it's something that I consume every day, week, month I only have to put up with it for exactly that a day, week or month. It's not a big decision to move away from a preferred supplier for a day, or a week, or a month. I know my favourite hamburger joint isn't open on Mondays, so if I want a hamburger on Monday I know I have to go elsewhere not as good. But equally I know that I can go back on Tuesday and get the taste of that second rate hamburger out of my mouth. We aren't talking days, weeks or months here, it's years with an XMC-1. So to me it is different, very different. Cheers Gary |
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All xlrs like the XMC1 is a good bet..Not fussed on bi amping too ; it needs speaker crossover manipulation to do it right anyway ; I do like a 2nd hdmi out for when the projector is off though so I don't burn through bulbs ;its de rigeur these days [ I don't need the 3rd one though on some makes ;certainly turf it 
