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Post by foggy1956 on May 13, 2017 18:08:50 GMT -5
Absolutely zero, until they ARE released Oh, that's how it works? I guess that explains why Emotiva's sales on unreleased products is terrible. I wonder how sharing pre-release information and driving up interest in unreleased products... and sharing information on R&D (In part because of people constantly asking) works? Could it work something like "Hey, in the future we are going to have a product that's does xyz and we think you'll really like it"? "I can't wait until the product comes out... so stop talking about it". LOLOLOOLLOLLL Pretty light on your feet😎
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Post by Jim on May 13, 2017 18:10:59 GMT -5
Oh, that's how it works? I guess that explains why Emotiva's sales on unreleased products is terrible. I wonder how sharing pre-release information and driving up interest in unreleased products... and sharing information on R&D (In part because of people constantly asking) works? Could it work something like "Hey, in the future we are going to have a product that's does xyz and we think you'll really like it"? "I can't wait until the product comes out... so stop talking about it". LOLOLOOLLOLLL Pretty light on your feet😎 Meh
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Post by bootman on May 13, 2017 19:36:40 GMT -5
and if you are offended.....
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Post by Loop 7 on May 13, 2017 22:35:28 GMT -5
I predict Emotiva's first electric vehicle line will suffer nearly endless delays.
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Post by beardedalbatross on May 14, 2017 1:03:40 GMT -5
Yes please stop. Because it's so hard to wait for things like a grown adult. Are we there yetttttttt? (Seriously? Finding out about things "too far in advance" is now a complaint?) You're right, those people who are miffed are all just children. I mean c'mon man what is this? "It's ok for me to crap on others, it's them who are the children" There is a comment in one of the Secrets of Home Theater's videos on Emersa that says "announced last year for 2016! When can we expect these for real?" so it's not like I'm making this up. Check it out yourself. Yes announcement timing is important. I imagine if Emotiva could go back and fix the mess-up they had with the early Emersa reveal they would. I wonder how many people complaining about the delay in new products are actually going to buy new products? We're doing this now? I buy Emotiva stuff. I practically shill for them on reddit. Off the top of my head, I have or have owned an XDA Gen2, Airmotiv 5s, Airmotiv B1, Airmotiv 3b, two BasX S10 subs, a PT-100, a BasX A-100, the A-300, USP-1, a bunch of odds and ends, and yes I will purchase an Emersa preamp if it is cost effective and has the feature-set I want. Maybe I don't buy enough high-ticket items to pass the forum purity test or something.
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2017 5:47:49 GMT -5
And this in a nutshell is why Emotiva has always struggled with how much information to share.
Perhaps it's time for Emotiva to stop talking entirely about unreleased products like almost all large companies do.
Or you can just take the information you're given (that you know is subject to change by its very nature) and not make a huge frickin deal about it.
So you buy a lot. That must make you entitled to have Emotiva gear being released on the schedule that YOU EXPECT. You used I/I'm 8 times in one post, so you've passed some kind of benchmark.
Have you tried calling them up and asking them to release the gear that you want? Maybe they'll do it just for you. You "do buy a lot of gear" after all and blab on Reddit.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 14, 2017 6:30:43 GMT -5
And this in a nutshell is why Emotiva has always struggled with how much information to share. Perhaps it's time for Emotiva to stop talking entirely about unreleased products like almost all large companies do. Or you can just take the information you're given (that you know is subject to change by its very nature) and not make a huge frickin deal about it. So you buy a lot. That must make you entitled to have Emotiva gear being released on the schedule that YOU EXPECT. You used I/I'm 8 times in one post, so you've passed some kind of benchmark. Have you tried calling them up and asking them to release the gear that you want? Maybe they'll do it just for you. You "do buy a lot of gear" after all and blab on Reddit. Do they make a pill for this illness
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Post by charlieeco on May 14, 2017 8:08:48 GMT -5
I wonder how many people complaining about the delay in new products are actually going to buy new products? Good question. I´m waiting to pull the trigger on new amps
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Post by charlieeco on May 14, 2017 8:13:51 GMT -5
Absolutely zero, until they ARE released Oh, that's how it works? I guess that explains why Emotiva's sales on unreleased products is terrible. I wonder how sharing pre-release information and driving up interest in unreleased products... and sharing information on R&D (In part because of people constantly asking) works? Could it work something like "Hey, in the future we are going to have a product that's does xyz and we think you'll really like it"? "I can't wait until the product comes out... so stop talking about it". LOLOLOOLLOLLL It's a shame that the popularity and demand of Emotiva products also makes them.... eh who cares. As my 6 year old would say "Daddy, waiting is haaaaard" I understand what you say, but it is different when they show up the entire line up of new products in AXPONA, I was waiting to see all those new products on the web page the next day.
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2017 8:15:39 GMT -5
Do they make a pill for this illness Yeah. It's called Millennial-tol. It increases the human body's tolerance of millennial-like behavior in others. It's an experimental drug though. And the release date keeps changing. People are really sick of waiting for it though because they keep releasing other drugs in the meantime. I've asked the manufacturer to "stop talking about it" in the meantime.
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Post by beardedalbatross on May 14, 2017 8:27:42 GMT -5
And this in a nutshell is why Emotiva has always struggled with how much information to share. Perhaps it's time for Emotiva to stop talking entirely about unreleased products like almost all large companies do. Or you can just take the information you're given (that you know is subject to change by its very nature) and not make a huge frickin deal about it. So you buy a lot. That must make you entitled to have Emotiva gear being released on the schedule that YOU EXPECT. You used I/I'm 8 times in one post, so you've passed some kind of benchmark. Have you tried calling them up and asking them to release the gear that you want? Maybe they'll do it just for you. You "do buy a lot of gear" after all and blab on Reddit. Having a bad week? The point was not to "brag" about what I buy or however you took it. I said myself I don't buy high-ticket items, but you were saying people who complain don't buy stuff from Emotiva/just want to troll, or insinuated it for whatever reason. As far as the phrasing of my previous post, well nice job picking at it? I wasn't even born in the U.S. but I'll strive to be identical to a native speaker, at least on the internet. Your reply though had "you" 12 times so it was more about me than my own! Do I win your silly game then? Edit: Nice PM bud, why are you being a dick?
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2017 8:30:27 GMT -5
I understand what you say, but it is different when they show up the entire line up of new products in AXPONA, I was waiting to see all those new products on the web page the next day. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. If they're presenting a new product line (an unveiling of sorts) - I think it's reasonable to expect almost immediate release. I'm also not going to disagree with the fact that it's hard to tell if a product is going to be released in 2 weeks or 2 years. Sometimes the information that's shared weighs heavily on sooner rather than later. But it's hard to tell. I competely sympathize with the frustration of waiting. I really would love to see the RMC-1. I don't want to be patient. But suggesting they stop releasing information because it's hard to wait is just asinine.
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Post by klinemj on May 14, 2017 10:49:12 GMT -5
I understand what you say, but it is different when they show up the entire line up of new products in AXPONA, I was waiting to see all those new products on the web page the next day. Really? If you go to a car show and see a car a company says it is working on, and others that they tell you for a fact that are coming to market for the soon-to-be released model year...do you expect ALL of them to be available at the same time? Car companies do that all the time. With Emotiva they were very specific about what things were being worked on and what things were going to be imminently released (see the corollary to the car shows? Just making sure you don't miss it...). It would be reasonable to expect the ones imminently due (which have all been delivered now, by the way), but to expect all? You have some interesting expectations...don't ever go to a car show. Mark
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Post by gzubeck on May 14, 2017 12:46:23 GMT -5
Emotiva is not Sony or Yamaha or any large conglomerate. Take whatever they have in the fire and essentially double the time it takes the majors to get a new product out. Better late than never and usually a much better product in the end.
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Post by klinemj on May 14, 2017 14:56:27 GMT -5
Emotiva is not Sony or Yamaha or any large conglomerate. Take whatever they have in the fire and essentially double the time it takes the majors to get a new product out. Better late than never and usually a much better product in the end. How do you know it takes twice the time? I have rarely heard up front plans from large conglomerates that we do from Emotiva. Net, it is hard to say how long it takes them. Mark
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2017 16:14:45 GMT -5
I understand what you say, but it is different when they show up the entire line up of new products in AXPONA, I was waiting to see all those new products on the web page the next day. Really? If you go to a car show and see a car a company says it is working on, and others that they tell you for a fact that are coming to market for the soon-to-be released model year...do you expect ALL of them to be available at the same time? Car companies do that all the time. With Emotiva they were very specific about what things were being worked on and what things were going to be imminently released (see the corollary to the car shows? Just making sure you don't miss it...). It would be reasonable to expect the ones imminently due (which have all been delivered now, by the way), but to expect all? You have some interesting expectations...don't ever go to a car show. Mark I might play devils advocate and say that you can go to a car show with a pretty clear expectation that the cars on display won't come out soon - if at all. Since Emotiva is a smaller shop - they do fewer concept designs and tend to show stuff that's pretty late in the pipeline (but not always). I just take everything with a grain of salt and rarely get too wound up about release dates. As far as I'm concerned, prerelease information and timelines is a gift.
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Post by Jim on May 14, 2017 16:16:54 GMT -5
Emotiva is not Sony or Yamaha or any large conglomerate. Take whatever they have in the fire and essentially double the time it takes the majors to get a new product out. Better late than never and usually a much better product in the end. How do you know it takes twice the time? I have rarely heard up front plans from large conglomerates that we do from Emotiva. Net, it is hard to say how long it takes them. Mark Speaking of that.... how long does MiniDSP take to develop new products? They don't take about unreleased products or timelines... at all!! It doesn't matter how many people ask. While we are talking about questions that will never be answered :-)
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Post by gzubeck on May 14, 2017 18:53:36 GMT -5
Really? If you go to a car show and see a car a company says it is working on, and others that they tell you for a fact that are coming to market for the soon-to-be released model year...do you expect ALL of them to be available at the same time? Car companies do that all the time. With Emotiva they were very specific about what things were being worked on and what things were going to be imminently released (see the corollary to the car shows? Just making sure you don't miss it...). It would be reasonable to expect the ones imminently due (which have all been delivered now, by the way), but to expect all? You have some interesting expectations...don't ever go to a car show. Mark I might play devils advocate and say that you can go to a car show with a pretty clear expectation that the cars on display won't come out soon - if at all. Since Emotiva is a smaller shop - they do fewer concept designs and tend to show stuff that's pretty late in the pipeline (but not always). I just take everything with a grain of salt and rarely get too wound up about release dates. As far as I'm concerned, prerelease information and timelines is a gift. From watching emotiva for five years...most of the new electronics I've seen are announced at the beginning of january (CES) and take 5-6 months to actually see product from major manufacturers.
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Post by klinemj on May 14, 2017 19:34:51 GMT -5
I might play devils advocate and say that you can go to a car show with a pretty clear expectation that the cars on display won't come out soon - if at all. Since Emotiva is a smaller shop - they do fewer concept designs and tend to show stuff that's pretty late in the pipeline (but not always). I just take everything with a grain of salt and rarely get too wound up about release dates. As far as I'm concerned, prerelease information and timelines is a gift. From watching emotiva for five years...most of the new electronics I've seen are announced at the beginning of january (CES) and take 5-6 months to actually see product from major manufacturers. So...how do you know that the others have not been working on a new product for...oh, I don't know...pick a number...5 years!?!?!? And, the others just chose to talk about it 5-6 month before it launched. See my point? If not, let me be clear: Some things I haved loved about Emotiva are that they produce amazing gear for great prices, they have great customer service, AND they let us "inside" and tell us what they are working on LONG before they launch. Clearly, some people can't figure out that last part and don't like waiting. I have a solution: Go. Somewhere. Else. I don't mean to sound flippant, but..really..go shop elsewhere. Mark
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Post by gzubeck on May 14, 2017 19:49:06 GMT -5
From watching emotiva for five years...most of the new electronics I've seen are announced at the beginning of january (CES) and take 5-6 months to actually see product from major manufacturers. So...how do you know that the others have not been working on a new product for...oh, I don't know...pick a number...5 years!?!?!? And, the others just chose to talk about it 5-6 month before it launched. See my point? If not, let me be clear: Some things I haved loved about Emotiva are that they produce amazing gear for great prices, they have great customer service, AND they let us "inside" and tell us what they are working on LONG before they launch. Clearly, some people can't figure out that last part and don't like waiting. I have a solution: Go. Somewhere. Else. I don't mean to sound flippant, but..really..go shop elsewhere. Mark Mark, you really need to start reading my posts correctly if your going to comment. I said after they announce their product and not that they've been developing the product for five years. I could care less whether it's available 5 months, 10 months or 14 months...I will buy what I like at the price I want to pay when I want or need it. My original comment was that it usually takes about double the time from observing announcements...some products take more time when software is involved and may take less time when its a second or third generation product where emotiva has experience with that product....your experience may vary.
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