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Post by boomzilla on Sept 23, 2017 10:26:39 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity (and in good fun) - No snarkiness, por favor...
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Post by garbulky on Sept 25, 2017 9:38:27 GMT -5
No 2019, 2020 choices?
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Post by goodfellas27 on Sept 25, 2017 9:58:17 GMT -5
MQA or no go 4 me
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 25, 2017 10:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 25, 2017 10:44:53 GMT -5
At this point in time, I've got to figure that you're a no-go, then goodfellas27 - Emotiva's shown no particular love for the idea...
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Post by novisnick on Sept 25, 2017 11:20:14 GMT -5
At this point in time, I've got to figure that you're a no-go, then goodfellas27 - Emotiva's shown no particular love for the idea... KeithL, shows not love for Mqa as far as I can tell. Big Dan will wit for a need/want/demand from buyers.
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Post by Loop 7 on Sept 25, 2017 13:09:56 GMT -5
I won't be surprised if it's launched in November or December but, on the other hand, could be 2018.
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Post by pedrocols on Sept 25, 2017 13:35:47 GMT -5
I know exactly where and how this is gonna end and I want no part of it. See you guys in Christmas.
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 25, 2017 14:06:32 GMT -5
I know exactly where and how this is gonna end and I want no part of it. See you guys in Christmas. I likes your amps, pedrocols!
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Post by teaman on Sept 25, 2017 14:09:00 GMT -5
I have no interest in a DC-2 however I am anxiously awaiting details for the upcoming XDA-3.
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 25, 2017 15:13:09 GMT -5
How interesting, teaman - Might I enquire as to your reasons? What should the XDA-3 have that the Stealth DC-2 won't?
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 25, 2017 15:50:45 GMT -5
How interesting, teaman - Might I enquire as to your reasons? What should the XDA-3 have that the Stealth DC-2 won't? A form factor that matches the rest of the Emotiva gear in my rack would be a good place to start. I would also suggest that an XDA-3 just be a DAC, no pre amplifier stuff included. Anyone who needs that can buy a pre amp. Handle all types of digital inputs, HDMI, USB, coax, toslink, wifi, Bluetooth, etc such that any digital input can be converted to analogue output. A remote control Apple TV sized that just changes inputs, no need for anything else 'cause it's just a DAC, only a DAC, nothing more than a DAC. In simple terms the best DAC that Emotiva can possibly make. Cheers Gary
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Post by teaman on Sept 25, 2017 16:56:45 GMT -5
Gary kind of covered it for me too Boom. I just want the DAC to match with my other gear. I am ADHD with that stuff. The Stealth series and DC-1 look great together, but for people like Gary and I the DC-1 looks like an afterthought. I mean by the looks of it, i could have just as easily inserted a Cambridge or Parasound that didn't match just as easily.
Personally I would still like the operations of the XDA-3 to cover the same preamp/DAC/Headphone amp functions that the XDA-2 offered. If the headphone amp DAC and preamp functions could be improved at all, that works great for my needs.
Tim
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Post by mountain on Sept 25, 2017 18:07:25 GMT -5
Gary kind of covered it for me too Boom. I just want the DAC to match with my other gear. I am ADHD with that stuff. The Stealth series and DC-1 look great together, but for people like Gary and I the DC-1 looks like an afterthought. I mean by the looks of it, i could have just as easily inserted a Cambridge or Parasound that didn't match just as easily. Personally I would still like the operations of the XDA_3 to cover the same preamp/DAC/Headphone amp functions that the XDA-2 offered. If the headphone amp DAC and preamp functions could be improved at all, that works great for my needs. Tim Sounds more like OCD than ADHD.
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Post by teaman on Sept 25, 2017 18:55:06 GMT -5
Gary kind of covered it for me too Boom. I just want the DAC to match with my other gear. I am ADHD with that stuff. The Stealth series and DC-1 look great together, but for people like Gary and I the DC-1 looks like an afterthought. I mean by the looks of it, i could have just as easily inserted a Cambridge or Parasound that didn't match just as easily. Personally I would still like the operations of the XDA_3 to cover the same preamp/DAC/Headphone amp functions that the XDA-2 offered. If the headphone amp DAC and preamp functions could be improved at all, that works great for my needs. Tim Sounds more like OCD than ADHD. You're right I blew that one...lol
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Post by beercanchicken on Dec 18, 2017 10:33:52 GMT -5
Today would be nice. It's a Monday before Xmas and all....
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 18, 2017 11:44:22 GMT -5
I won't buy another DAC that can't handle MQA and Emotiva has turned into a MQA basher.
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Post by andyo on Dec 18, 2017 13:41:55 GMT -5
How interesting, teaman - Might I enquire as to your reasons? What should the XDA-3 have that the Stealth DC-2 won't? A form factor that matches the rest of the Emotiva gear in my rack would be a good place to start. I would also suggest that an XDA-3 just be a DAC, no pre amplifier stuff included. Anyone who needs that can buy a pre amp. Handle all types of digital inputs, HDMI, USB, coax, toslink, wifi, Bluetooth, etc such that any digital input can be converted to analogue output. A remote control Apple TV sized that just changes inputs, no need for anything else 'cause it's just a DAC, only a DAC, nothing more than a DAC. In simple terms the best DAC that Emotiva can possibly make. Cheers Gary All DACs have built-in pre-amps to drive the analog outputs. The question is, do you want that pre-amp to have a volume control.
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Post by KeithL on Dec 18, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -5
OK..... just to be fair...... As a company, Emotiva is more "MQA agnostic". From the technical descriptions of MQA, and the samples of it we've heard (on Tidal), we didn't see or hear anything especially compelling about it. (While we noticed that some MQA content sounded different, we aren't quite so sure it was better.) However, we might consider adding it to future products.... if there's enough market demand to justify the effort and aggravation of implementing it. As an individual....... (Keith) - I personally don't like their business model.... - I also agree with the idea, shared by quite a few others, that "they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist". - And I still haven't quite decided if they deliberately tried to confuse everyone about the technology or simply aren't very good about explaining it.... - BUT, as I've said repeatedly, while I won't buy yet another remaster of something BECAUSE it's MQA, if I start hearing MQA remasters that sound better, I will cheerfully start buying them. I would also point out that, since the important "first unfold" can now be done in SOFTWARE, there's no longer any compelling need to "support MQA" in a DAC. You can simply do the decoding in software and play the resulting 24/96k output on a good DAC.... and skip all the aggravation of putting it in the hardware inside the DAC. (And, when you look at it that way, then all DACs already support it.... ) I won't buy another DAC that can't handle MQA and Emotiva has turned into a MQA basher.
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 18, 2017 15:50:58 GMT -5
OK..... just to be fair...... As a company, Emotiva is more "MQA agnostic". From the technical descriptions of MQA, and the samples of it we've heard (on Tidal), we didn't see or hear anything especially compelling about it. (While we noticed that some MQA content sounded different, we aren't quite so sure it was better.) However, we might consider adding it to future products.... if there's enough market demand to justify the effort and aggravation of implementing it. As an individual....... (Keith) - I personally don't like their business model.... - I also agree with the idea, shared by quite a few others, that "they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist". - And I still haven't quite decided if they deliberately tried to confuse everyone about the technology or simply aren't very good about explaining it.... - BUT, as I've said repeatedly, while I won't buy yet another remaster of something BECAUSE it's MQA, if I start hearing MQA remasters that sound better, I will cheerfully start buying them. I would also point out that, since the important "first unfold" can now be done in SOFTWARE, there's no longer any compelling need to "support MQA" in a DAC. You can simply do the decoding in software and play the resulting 24/96k output on a good DAC.... and skip all the aggravation of putting it in the hardware inside the DAC. (And, when you look at it that way, then all DACs already support it.... ) I won't buy another DAC that can't handle MQA and Emotiva has turned into a MQA basher. So 1)I'm not sure you have heard the full MQA process including all 3 unfolds,. 2)I'm not sure the complete mathematical/technical basis of MQA has been fully revealed let alone fully understood, but I'm willing to bet it is soundly technically based. 3)There has certainly been a flood of criticisms written about something that is not fully understood by people who have not really listened to the fully unfolded results of a goodly sample of recordings. 4)Emotiva has not officially bashed anything - sorry for that statement; but you personally, a Emotiva employee on a company sponsored blog, have expressed nothing but negativity about MQA and the intentions of the company, a company I think is in the forefront of DAC technical development. Finally I have been enjoying full MQA unfoldings from Tidal on my Cary AiOS integrated Streamer/DAC/amp and it sounds better than on my other equipment and I have a lot of highly regarded equipment. So I want more MQA capability to integrate with my other systems (Emotiva XSP-1/XPA-1/Maggie 3.6R and Cary SLP-3/Music Fidelity 550k/ Revel Salon2) The fact that the AiOS / NHT 2.3 little system can even appeal to me given the competition in my own house speaks to the something that MQA is positively adding. So I want more MQA. But that's just me, based on experience of my own equipment in my own house.
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