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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 1, 2018 1:16:37 GMT -5
Forget about processors, tell me about the your SX950 Love the 950, but it's a real bear to cram that 10 awg wire into those little holes on the back....LOL. Can't even get the 14 awg in, I ordered a set of pins from Parts Express, but in the meantime I'll stick with the zip cord. There's something about the sound of these old "Pioneer" receivers I like (nostalgia). I have the 950 running an old pair of Fisher 85a speakers (had to replace the woofers), with the classic rock radio station. It's not perfect by today's standards, but to my ears it's one sweet sound. Yep, those old push in speaker connectors were very small by today's standards. A good friend of mine had one back in the late 70's and I was the one with the KEF Concertos (which I still own BTW) and that combo was killer on rock music. He sold it in the early 80's and bought a Pioneer Spec 2 Power amp, which he still has today. Cheers Gary
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Post by cwt on Aug 1, 2018 7:25:51 GMT -5
Where exactly did you get your information Gary? It didn't come from this forum. All accounts on this forum have the order as RMC-1 first, then the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name), then the Atmos/DTX:X uograde to the XMC-1 Gen 2. No where on this forum I have seen has it said the XMC-1 Gen 2 uograde would come first. So please elaborate. Theres been hints and statements Bonzo ; try some recent podcasts; emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/937719/threadHeres another big hint that doesn't mention the xmc3 ; of course time constraints exist emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/949771/threadIt just seems logical to give the xmc1 gen2 a bit more longevity with the promised upgradeability or it would look like a hollow promise for the whole line going forward . And releasing an improved model before the gen2 gets its upgrade would surely mean that clever rezoning of those atmos outputs was a waste of resources..
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Post by davidl81 on Aug 1, 2018 7:34:45 GMT -5
This one is tough since you already have all of those speakers and I canโt think of a pre-pro for a reasonable price that can do 9.1.6. I would plan on 6 months for the RMC to be out and running stable. It could be more or slightly less than that, but it should be a good bench mark. I would suspect that you are getting the RMC when it comes out, so now the question is what to run for 6 months ish. You could get one of many 7.1 or even 7.1.2 AVRs in the $700-$500 range and it will be okay to hold you over. You could step up to a XMC-1, but for $2500 and no Atmos and still not stable 4K I donโt think thatโs a great deal. I would consider maybe a refurbished denon or Marantz from accessories 4 less as they can be had for a foair price and hold you over for a bit. What ever you buy now you can always resale in 6 months or so and recoup some of that capital. How do you like your Marantz 8802A? That's what I'm seriously considering.... Honestly I love it so far. The SQ is a huge step up from the SR7009 I replaced. I highly recommend it. My setup is 7.2.4 and I may not upgrade to the RMC any more now that I have the 8802.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 1, 2018 8:51:48 GMT -5
Where exactly did you get your information Gary? It didn't come from this forum. All accounts on this forum have the order as RMC-1 first, then the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name), then the Atmos/DTX:X uograde to the XMC-1 Gen 2. No where on this forum I have seen has it said the XMC-1 Gen 2 uograde would come first. So please elaborate. Theres been hints and statements Bonzo ; try some recent podcasts; emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/937719/threadHeres another big hint that doesn't mention the xmc3 ; of course time constraints exist emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/949771/threadIt just seems logical to give the xmc1 gen2 a bit more longevity with the promised upgradeability or it would look like a hollow promise for the whole line going forward . And releasing an improved model before the gen2 gets its upgrade would surely mean that clever rezoning of those atmos outputs was a waste of resources.. I totally agree with you here. That's why I was originally shocked when people started talking about the timing order being the other way around, and have been scratching my head about it since. In my mind it should go XMC-1 Gen 2 Atmos upgrade, then the RMC, then the XMC 3. But I guess we'll see.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 1, 2018 9:07:49 GMT -5
Should we ask Dan Laufman for a raffle, closest one to the release date wins a free RMC-1 That exact idea has been on my mind for a long while now. I considered making a thread about it called "Guess The RMC-1 Release Date Contest", with a poll that had month choices for the next 2 years, and then people could also post their specific exact date. But I got to thinking about it and figured it would only be taken as negativity towards the release, making fun of it sort of, and would only cause angst for those already annoyed with all the talking about it over an over. I think it could be fun, but I doubt it would go well with the mods. But hey, perhaps others will read this and say otherwise. I'll be happy to make the thread and try to keep track of who guesses which day exactly.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Aug 1, 2018 11:47:30 GMT -5
Well, we're already near the end of the period I estimated back in March based on the SHARC chip availability. Back then I estimated June-August.
But, I'd say that the HDMI board has probably become the long pole in the schedule. I have friends at Apple who battle HDMI issues on a daily basis and complain constantly about the fragile state of the HDMI "Standard" and compliance to that. I think we're seeing just how horrible that is ourselves now with the efforts underway to deal with the HDMI V3 board.
In Ethernet land (and other networking technologies), we have things called "Plugfests" where large numbers of manufacturers of particular networking technologies get together in a large room with rolling tables and do N-by-N Connections Tests. It's an awesome way to very rapidly work out issues. Everyone works together and you have some of the brightest minds in the field and newest diagnostic equipment available to help out in diagnosing issues and parsing specifics of the Standards Language. Doing a quick Web Search, I see that the HDMI folks have these as well. I'd recommend that Emotiva sign up for this.
Casey
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 1, 2018 21:13:11 GMT -5
It just seems logical to give the xmc1 gen2 a bit more longevity with the promised upgradeability or it would look like a hollow promise for the whole line going forward . And releasing an improved model before the gen2 gets its upgrade would surely mean that clever rezoning of those atmos outputs was a waste of resources.. I also see it as being logical to do extended "testing" on the Atmos/DTS-X board for grateful owners in their existing XMC-1's, with their disparate range of connected gear. Rather than risk releasing the RMC-1 with obscure issues that even extensive workshop testing may not reveal. Cheers Gary
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 1, 2018 22:07:52 GMT -5
Well, we're already near the end of the period I estimated back in March based on the SHARC chip availability. Back then I estimated June-August. But, I'd say that the HDMI board has probably become the long pole in the schedule. Is the SHARC chip out in production yet? I'm guessing no, that they're delayed as well so there are probably 2 long poles.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Aug 1, 2018 23:54:58 GMT -5
I don't see the Analog Devices ADSP-SC573 in any active Parts Availability on the standard sites, but that wouldn't surprising given how new it is. Hilariously, some of the Evaluation Kits are available ... so maybe they're dedicating early runs to customers like Emotiva and only holding a few back for promotion.
Casey
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Post by cwt on Aug 2, 2018 1:02:42 GMT -5
I also see it as being logical to do extended "testing" on the Atmos/DTS-X board for grateful owners in their existing XMC-1's, with their disparate range of connected gear. Rather than risk releasing the RMC-1 with obscure issues that even extensive workshop testing may not reveal. Yes ;good point Gary ; if it meshes well with the Texas instrument da710 processors chances are the RMC1'S analog devices sharc's will reciprocate I hope they use proper checksums so you cant load the wrong firmware in the future ;as has happened to some members with the hdmi recently
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Post by lonert on Aug 2, 2018 7:51:40 GMT -5
How do you like your Marantz 8802A? That's what I'm seriously considering.... Honestly I love it so far. The SQ is a huge step up from the SR7009 I replaced. I highly recommend it. My setup is 7.2.4 and I may not upgrade to the RMC any more now that I have the 8802. I have an 8802a as well, and have auditioned an 8805, but somehow the 8802a seems to have better sound for my ears, while the 8805 has more bells and whistles. I will try the RMC-1 if/when available for the trial window, but unless there is an overwhelming difference, I will stick to the 8802a. With 8805 in the market, one advantage is falling prices on the 8802a, which adds to the 8802a's appeal.
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Post by davidl81 on Aug 2, 2018 8:17:38 GMT -5
Honestly I love it so far. The SQ is a huge step up from the SR7009 I replaced. I highly recommend it. My setup is 7.2.4 and I may not upgrade to the RMC any more now that I have the 8802. I have an 8802a as well, and have auditioned an 8805, but somehow the 8802a seems to have better sound for my ears, while the 8805 has more bells and whistles. I will try the RMC-1 if/when available for the trial window, but unless there is an overwhelming difference, I will stick to the 8802a. With 8805 in the market, one advantage is falling prices on the 8802a, which adds to the 8802a's appeal. It is a great value at the current price you can pick one up for. Really the 8805 just offers the one extra channel and future upgrade ability to HDMI 2.1. I guess it has HEOS as well, but the 8802a is loaded with features so its not like it is a stripped down model.
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Post by jcz06 on Aug 2, 2018 12:15:34 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today
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Post by emofrmcgy on Aug 2, 2018 12:52:12 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today I wish I had your optimism sir. Itโs rare these days.
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Post by novisnick on Aug 2, 2018 12:57:11 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today Of course we will see the RMC-1 sooner than later, I just spent my RMC-1 money on a fantastic upgrade to my two channel networked system! So it should be along any day now! ๐๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ
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Post by jcz06 on Aug 2, 2018 13:42:46 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today Of course we will see the RMC-1 sooner than later, I just spent my RMC-1 money on a fantastic upgrade to my two channel networked system! So it should be along any day now! ๐๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ That's usually how it works LOL.......I have some upgrades I am working on too but I tried to keep the RMC funds alone as well
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Post by davidl81 on Aug 2, 2018 13:57:34 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today I am not trying to be negative, but what makes you think that we will see it sooner rather than later? I too am hopeful that it comes out soon, but I am starting to think Gary is on to something. The XMC-1 upgrades may in fact be the best test for the RMC-1. IF that is the case then we would not expect to see the RMC-1 out until after the XMC Atmos upgrade. All we can do is wait for our weekly podcast update.....
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Post by novisnick on Aug 2, 2018 14:00:22 GMT -5
I still think we will see the RMC-1 sooner than you guys are thinking....granted I know we all want it today I am not trying to be negative, but what makes you think that we will see it sooner rather than later? I too am hopeful that it comes out soon, but I am starting to think Gary is on to something. The XMC-1 upgrades may in fact be the best test for the RMC-1. IF that is the case then we would not expect to see the RMC-1 out until after the XMC Atmos upgrade. All we can do is wait for our weekly podcast update..... โWeekly podcast updateโ
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Post by 2muchht on Aug 2, 2018 14:13:41 GMT -5
Random thoughts:
- It is not out of the ordinary for the spec sheets on new semiconductors to only be available under NDA. THey are likely there, but only through a secured site or extranet. I would not see that as an indication of a delay.
- TI uses a different software base than ADI. It may be easy to meld the ADI chips into an existing TI-based product, but probably not. Life isn't fair in that respect. Particularly the case when/if the "division of responsibility" regarding "which chip does what" in a mult-DSP arrangement does not lineup across different platforms. Although there are different issues, mostly regarding fixed-point vs floating-point, that is a parallel issue to why they can't just drop either TI or ADI solutions into the original Cirrus products.
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Post by lrobertson on Aug 2, 2018 14:59:10 GMT -5
If Emotiva is looking for notoriety as one of its objectives they may shoot for the RMC-1 asap even if the XMC-1 would debug the new system. They probably want to hit the scenes when it still draws a lot of attention. Even if it has bugs bad publicity is better than none so I could see an RMC-1 before anything else. I could actually see it going either way if running the XMCโs first only draws it out 1-2 months. Ultimately whatever gets their name out there in the most effective manner I think is what they will shoot for. Time is more critical than having a buggy system to start with I would think.
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